Today straits times

[aakumu]

Hi Bros,
There is sometime on today's paper, "Online brothels replacing Geylang's pimps."
What do you bros think?
It spells out everything from price to locations and model operations.
I think we are being watch, please let us know what we should do?
Maybe some senoirs bros could help ou how we could go about it safely.
Thanks.

My humble two cents.

[nedy77]

this site have been watch ever since it became popular. it's nothing new. it's easy for anti-vice people to register an account, post some photos & get points and pm the OKT then nap them.

so if everything have been ok for so many years, it's not going to change after a news report.

if they really want to get the OKT, they wouldn't openly publish the article to beat the bush and alert the snakes.

[too_hot]

if they really want to get the OKT, they wouldn't openly publish the article to beat the bush and alert the snakes.

good point.....anyway, for those who are active in the industry (OKT, customers & AV), this is nothing surprising la. So not as if this is a wake up call for AV.

I tink the difference btw this and past cases where people complain about WLs hanging around their neighbourhood is that at least the activities are done in hotels and not in the open.

Newspaper story is that it becomes too accessible to the young and "uninitiated"....but this young and "uninitiated" would not know about these OKT's groups unless they are ALREADY mixing with "undesireable" company or surfing sammyboy. Secondly, it is only the INFORMATION about the WLs that is accessible and not the physical "brothel" itself hence calling it "online brothel" is misleading (as defined by Cambridge Dictionary; brothel - a PLACE where men PAY to have SEX with prostitues). These online groups fail the definition of "brothel" on all 3 counts: it is only a website and not a "place", men are not paying anything at the website and (most importantly) there is no sex happening on the website. These online groups are not very different from restaurants who have their own websites and put up their menu, images of their dishes, customer testimonials, etc and invites potential customers to call for reservation before heading down to dine. I am sure these sites are not called "online restaurants" rite?

Anyway, back to the issue that these sites may lead the young and uninitiated astray, with or without these sites, he can as easily travel to Geylang's legal houses or to Petain to get sex (which are much cheaper than going to these online FLs). Lets stop blaming others and look at ourselves first - did we raise our kids rite? There were reports recently on how there are many teenagers already experimenting with sex (some even getting pregnant) so why would they pay to experiment when they can do it for free?

I guess there's no way for us to know wat is the demographic of FL cheongsters (only the OKTs & WLs know) but i doubt that there are many from the below 18 group.

[freezetheDB]

its a reminder for bros here to be tactful when sharing goodies out there.

journalists these days are a lazy lot. Which explains why they are sourcing forums for juicy news

[go4sax]

What worry me is the the SMS transactions are recorded by the Telcos. These are evident enough to pin us down ?

[aakumu]

if they really want to get the OKT, they wouldn't openly publish the article to beat the bush and alert the snakes.

good point.....anyway, for those who are active in the industry (OKT, customers & AV), this is nothing surprising la. So not as if this is a wake up call for AV.


I guess there's no way for us to know wat is the demographic of FL cheongsters (only the OKTs & WLs know) but i doubt that there are many from the below 18 group.

its a reminder for bros here to be tactful when sharing goodies out there.

journalists these days are a lazy lot. Which explains why they are sourcing forums for juicy news

Hi bros,
Thank you for the useful comments here.
By the way, when there is a raid, what will happen to us the guys?
Thanks.

My humble two cents.

[daicheklou]

If they raid out all the lobang, then the SPF will be more busy catching molesters & rapists liao. But dun woory, this the the world oldest trade that had already last centuries and will continue to thrive as long as we men are still around.

[南海龙王]

Hi Bros,
There is sometime on today's paper, "Online brothels replacing Geylang's pimps."
What do you bros think?
It spells out everything from price to locations and model operations.
I think we are being watch, please let us know what we should do?
Maybe some senoirs bros could help ou how we could go about it safely.
Thanks.

My humble two cents.

Bottomline it is all about taxes. Those operation via the net don't pay government any taxes. Either that or somebody has got a vested interest in seeing these sort of operations shut down! :mad:

[Sperm Man]

Patrons of prostitutes (aged 18 and above) are not a criminal offence because technically prostitution is legal in Singapore. Most of the raids on foreigners conducted by AV are for immigrations-related offences.

However, public solicitation for the purpose of prostitution and living on the earnings of a prostitute (pimping) are illegal in Singapore.

[owen10]

Quote fr ST:

'A pimp said: "We're going to starve to death already. The China girls have all gone to Pearl's Centre."'

Hmmmm ... Fact or Fallacy??? When I read this I really scratched my head whr he got this info fr.

I wonder who this farking pimp is. As far as i know 1 or 2 (or a negligible few) China pros MAY BE possible but he made it look as if the whole kampong of China pros had migrated to PC. If u look around the shops, u dont spot many TN shops with PRCs these days. Unless I'm so outdated that thr's a certain shop hidden somewhr in PC that houses a few 100s of china pros.

Either he had an axe to grind agt d PC mgt or d shops in PC or the reporter may be using an 'imaginary character'.

[ShittyAss]

Patrons of prostitutes (aged 18 and above) are not a criminal offence because technically prostitution is legal in Singapore. Most of the raids on foreigners conducted by AV are for immigrations-related offences.

However, public solicitation for the purpose of prostitution and living on the earnings of a prostitute (pimping) are illegal in Singapore.

u deserve my points uppz for correct answer...

OKTs are those tat will have to fear for more....as for those gers...once caught...just send back only...they wun get charge court unless their documents into SG are fake one la...as for us, chiongster? we wun kana one la...

[asdfghjkl]

so any bro know which are the sites?

[owen10]

u deserve my points uppz for correct answer...

OKTs are those tat will have to fear for more....as for those gers...once caught...just send back only...they wun get charge court unless their documents into SG are fake one la...as for us, chiongster? we wun kana one la...

Aiya I oso knew d answer leh. shd hv posted earlier else would have earned yr pts. :p

[ShittyAss]

Aiya I oso knew d answer leh. shd hv posted earlier else would have earned yr pts. :p

kns....bro i up u b4 liao la...duno have to wait how long then can up again leh..

Anyway...duno why so many ppl afraid of raids sia....we wun be affected one mah...unless tat ger is underage la...

[Sperm Man]

Kumsia many many bro ShittyAss, just sharing with the bros here so that they can make informed decisions when come to cheonging. Happy New Year Everyone:)


u deserve my points uppz for correct answer...

OKTs are those tat will have to fear for more....as for those gers...once caught...just send back only...they wun get charge court unless their documents into SG are fake one la...as for us, chiongster? we wun kana one la...

[gonggong18]

I was in chinatown vicinity this late morning, so quiet.

Maybe there are people who complained go Geylang can't find enough pros..

So the paper help them to find these girls, to the ladies it is like exposing the trade, but to the horny foreign brothers it is saviour..

My 2 cents worth.

We need to have pros in Sg or our Sg ladies will be raped. Since cutting down on foreign construction workers the pros population must also cut la...

[Vectra]

It is not surprising that anything associated to sex is linked to this popular forum;) But it can be said that they are pretty slow till now then published on paper. The cyber OKTs now should upgrade their mod of operation higher.:cool:

[ch18]

Hi Bros,
There is sometime on today's paper, "Online brothels replacing Geylang's pimps."
What do you bros think?
It spells out everything from price to locations and model operations.
I think we are being watch, please let us know what we should do?
Maybe some senoirs bros could help ou how we could go about it safely.
Thanks.

My humble two cents.

Bro, life still goes on..........
Don't worry about what's in the paper, we should just party on.....

[block11]

this is not the first time... and will not be the last :D

[Joris]

Maybe they are hinting at something else, an indirect assault perhaps ?

[go4sax]

To make tracing of SMS transactions more difficult, Reply to SMS using different Telcos lines or better still, use voice to confirm time & loc.

[Johnston]

Or could be they are now throwing the smoke bomb first. give all some proper warning. :eek:

Anyway dont know whats their problem, not like those with enough $$ got legal escort anyway :D

[young.lad]

What worry me is the the SMS transactions are recorded by the Telcos. These are evident enough to pin us down ?

i dont think so ,very unlikely .

[ilovesingapore]

w8, y is it illegal to privately arrange and have sex in the hotel? If police raid, isn't it intruding our privacy?

[warresg]

so any bro know which are the sites?

you must be joking. join jun 2003 asking these type of questions. :rolleyes:

[Mike1972]

Seems good coz of the varieties...

[xaiverviii]

Bottomline it is all about taxes. Those operation via the net don't pay government any taxes. Either that or somebody has got a vested interest in seeing these sort of operations shut down! :mad:

bro i fully agree with u...all the other things mentioned are juz excuses or cover ups... our place here, anything n everything which earns a profit, our MIW(men in white) definately muz have a piece of the pie, onli way tt any forms of business tt r safe r businesses tt gurantees nothing but losses den they wun interfer...otherwise get the OKT to pay them taxes den we all can chiong in peace... but tt is totally impossible..but nevertheless, it is ourselves to blame.. WE CHOSE THEM...LAN LAN LOR...HAIZ....

[Return]

Nobody can wipe out the Chinese. The Japanese tried in WWII and failed.

[ShittyAss]

What worry me is the the SMS transactions are recorded by the Telcos. These are evident enough to pin us down ?

Pin us down??? or wat?? we are not OKTs wat...so wat if they record our sms or calls??? For getting FL??? Dun think our sg woman chapter got this rite??? :confused:

[BT8888]

Pin us down??? or wat?? we are not OKTs wat...so wat if they record our sms or calls??? For getting FL??? Dun think our sg woman chapter got this rite??? :confused:

Bro
IA. Unless us is a pimp lor.

IMHO,

有人买才有人卖
有人肯买有人肯卖才有人帮人买和卖.
有人肯卖有人肯买才有人帮人卖和买.
如果没有人买也没有人卖就Bye-bye.


We’re traders.

We trade every day.

We dig naked traders and they dig our money.

Happy digging but don't dig raw.

You’re welcome to read my thread if you’re interested to find out what naked traders is.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/adult-discussions-about-sex/139666-agents-naked-traders.html#post3974788

[lovemilf]

Just imagine....currently we have Singaporepools, Singpost, Singtel....etc. In the future....Singsex or watever.....hahahaha:D

Btw i dun think they will go all out....unless there is sudden surge of AIDS or sexually transmitted dieases due to these....at lease the streets will look better if all is done online....

[ari212121]

Hi bro,
There is this bro on this forum claiming to be an okt, ask me to my name, age, phone no, race and country I was from even pink IC; just to get a girl contact.
fallen maidens is his nick, beware.
I know that people are a bit careful, but I gave enough info about where I am comfortable and nothing more..........this guy gives me the jitters........


Cheers.

[new13]

i dont think so ,very unlikely .

June 14, 2008
Deleted an SMS? Don't hope to retrieve it
By Tan Weizhen
IF YOU have deleted an important text message, don't expect your cellphone company to have a magical backup server that will bail you out.
One Singapore man recently found that out the hard way when he tried to recover messages that he had trashed nine months ago.

Mr Huang Yongliang wrote to The Straits Times Forum this week asking about the possibility of retrieving the long-since-deleted texts.

'I got curious about the policies on retrieving SMSes when I accidentally deleted mine,' said Mr Huang.

The 27-year-old said he wanted the texts for 'personal reasons', but declined to elaborate.

Telecom companies, though, said customers can practically kiss the messages goodbye once they hit the delete button. The companies handle billions of messages annually and deleted SMSes are expunged from servers almost immediately, they say.

SingTel, for example, said it processes 20 million text messages a day. That adds up to around seven billion a year.

'It is therefore not economically or physically viable to store SMSes in our system for retrieval purposes,' said its corporate communications manager Cheam Tze Hui in a statement.

There are a few exceptions. Logs that record the phone number, date and time of an SMS are captured and stored. StarHub and M1 keep these records for seven years and one year respectively. It is understood that these logs serve as verification when customers dispute SMS charges on their bills.

Meanwhile, telecom companies say they also face privacy concerns when it comes to releasing text messages. Even if they are still on a backup server, SingTel said it will not release them - not even to someone who wants to retrieve his own message.

Telecom companies will, however, release the information to the police and the courts. The former have the right to such information when they are investigating a crime.

In 2001, police probing fake bomb threats sent via SMS traced the texts to a 20-year-old national serviceman. They tracked him using help from the telcos, which would not specifically reveal the method. But the telcos suggested that it involved SMS logs.

In civil lawsuits, a judge can order companies to release messages if they are relevant to the case, according to Mr P. Padman, a partner in law firm Tito Isaac & Co. He has encountered this in defamation and divorce cases in the past. However, telcos are obliged to give the courts only information which they still possess.

The only way to be certain of retaining the SMSes for one's own use is to keep them in phones, according to service providers.

Two telcos - M1 and StarHub - said SMSes are purged from their systems as soon as they are delivered. SingTel would only say that while this is not done daily, it is fairly regular.

[Booker]

Well... just sharing when I came across this online...

Seems like the journalists are really digging hard in forums.
Wonder does this lobang belongs to any of the OKT here...

omy - ?? News - ????????????? (http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201001281540-124004.html)

News is in the Chinese, so a quick and simple translation... About foreign students in our local Uni working as part-time FL, with someone managing them...


:D

[stopwars]

The greatest whore is media.

[fanclrock]

Well... just sharing when I came across this online...

Seems like the journalists are really digging hard in forums.
Wonder does this lobang belongs to any of the OKT here...

omy - ?? News - ????????????? (http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201001281540-124004.html)

News is in the Chinese, so a quick and simple translation... About foreign students in our local Uni working as part-time FL, with someone managing them...


:Dseem like a gd lobang to me: wonder any bro got this lobang can pm me

[starcrosser]

We are high risk been targeted i suppose all brothers be a bit brighter than it should be okay liao

[BBlick]

The greatest whore is media.

for politicians and rich $$ people :D:D