Depressed

[LoveAffair]

Thought long and hard before posting here. Am not sure how many -ve I will receive, it doesnt matter anymore. Whether I been zapped....
Till date or even this moment, my heart is still pumping fast or rather uneasy when thought of it. Breathing heavily with so much aching inside me. Guess no one will understand how I really feel... rather miserable..

It all happens a while ago. Went to chill out with a couple of friends and saw this lady. She wasn't even in my range of "Radar" due to her dressings, loaded with guys etc.. Saw her a couple of times already and we just smile and talk for a lil while when brought together by a mutual friend. Not sure was it my mistake or not.. I didn't initiate the xchange of contact at that first few times. It's only on the 4th or 5th meetup when I am slightly tipsy and that's when we really talk. The xchange of number starts.

We got really really close and she's been very nice to me whenever I was down. Always there for me. Without a doubt, it's almost like a sweet counsellor there to talk positive onto me. There was this night it all happen...

I was so drunk and tipsy this one night. And wanted her companion so decided to bring her back to my place. Never brought any gals back to my home other than hotel. Not sure why I did that when I just know her not too long ago. Was feeling stressed up bout my job and we chatted for the longest time. Being the gentleman me decided not to be all over her, I was controlling myself but deep down.. I have the strong urged to have sex with her when she lied down (with blankets covered) on my bed looking at me as I talk. After chatting, there was like a min or 2 of awkward silence.
Looking at her cute face, went close to her cheek but I somehow hold back. The next thing I know is she had kissed me. And bros.. u guys should know what happened next..

After having sex with her, we got together. I never like treating gals for fun. Reason because I will always imagined myself having a daughter being fuck by numerous guys. After having sex with whoever, I always managed to start a r/s to see if things do work out. That's my way of doing things...

Anyway back to the topic.. I was together with her and we got so close together that we talked about simply anything and somehow the topic of Sammyboy pops up. I then asked her about it. She's not honest with me at all initially. But friends of hers are doing it from what I heard from her phone conversations. Trying to be positive, I trust her.
One day out of curiosity, I decided to check on SBF. Look up that particular name which I overheard from her friend. And true enough, those descriptions and photos all matched her. I was seriously feeling HASTY inside me. Stunned and not sure if I should continue reading. Each FRs written for her made my tears drop. I was shaking uncontrollably FOR ME, being a guy never believed in dropping tears. I text her immediately without thinking : Thanks for everything, for being a great lier. It was very early in the middle of the night about 4 plus. Assuming she was asleep. To my surprised, my phone got bomb numerous times. Text SMSes kept coming. Asking me what happened. Asking me to wait for her and less than 30mins, I got a text from her that she is outside my place. Trying to be strong and wiping my tears at the same time reading those FRs how our fellow brothers bonk her. Miserable.
When we finally met up outside, I broke down silently and mentioned the name she uses for FL services. The same goes to her. Tough moment when I told her one by one about each and every FRs.
Been almost a year... and we are staying together. She got a job as a normal sales staff earning very minimal pay. I see changes in her almost instantly which touches my heart. She is not materialistic at all which is tremendous.

I still insult her(My bad) for those guys that she services.. for being a slut.. each insulting words I used on her hurt me too. It's like using my own dick and slapping my face. I just don't know why I did that during arguments. Most of the time, I raised the arguments. I am still very upset about the whole lie. That whole incident. I felt it was not being fair on me. During sleep at night, I would have nightmares or imaginary visions of how our fellow bros fcuk her. It hurts.... hurts badly..

The most painful part is no matter how much attempts I tried PMed the admin or the agent to remove those FRS no one seems to be bothered. The Frs are long overdue. Almost a year. I am so lost. What should I do ????
Please advise me..........

On numerous occasions, I wanted a break up but each time I see her cried so hard I hold back, I gave in.... I still love her because of the changes she made for me. She stop contacting most guys in fact all except for her cousins, sisters and a few school friends even though I told her I do not mind her contacting guys. Is it unhealthy? I did my best to love her during this time too. Make her feel clean once again... I did everything......
But am still feeling so heartache when thought of it. What the hell is wrong with me? I wanted a breakup once and for all because its been a year plus we are together and Im still being painful.
Sometimes out of anger, I would drop in to this forum to look for local FLs..
It's like letting myself having sex with another one hoping she would find out and let her understand how the fcuk I am feeling.

Just advise me on what am I supposed to do...

I don't care if you ZAPPED OR UPPED me. This is a very personal experience and I am merely asking for advises from anyone who had almost the same experience as me before. It took me a while quite sometime to share this. So please respect my feelings when you do reply. Be sensitive to my feelings. With Appreciations... Thanks......

[Big Sexy]

mate... if you really think removing those report will help
then pm me the link.. i will see what i can do about it..

imo.. if u cant forget her past.. y
ou should just move on and start life anew..




The most painful part is no matter how much attempts I tried PMed the admin or the agent to remove those FRS no one seems to be bothered. The Frs are long overdue. Almost a year. I am so lost. What should I do ????
Please advise me..........

[alan0338]

if u cant get over wat her previous line is, then have a clean break up, dun bring suffering and misery for her and urself anymore ...

[LoveAffair]

if u cant get over wat her previous line is, then have a clean break up, dun bring suffering and misery for her and urself anymore ...

Yes, the latest is when her parents got really close to me. Even by staying with me, her parents still do visiting and etc. I did mentioned breaking up numerous time but she just cant accept it. Reason Im letting go(Thou its painful) is just to let us both start afresh. Since I will never forget her past even thou its been quite long after the incident and she changed. I know letting go is the best option. But she cried alot. Till now.. im a soft guy whenever a gal cries. A part of me still hold back. I thought through hard and long. Still cant be decisive on the decision. Almost every now and then I told her to leave and start anew. Saddening...

[Ynwa0101]

wah brudder u best! post this here arrrr..
anyway, best of luck to u like we say u deserved better :)

[S.B.Y.1]

Seems that she has changed but not you

You have entranged yourself with her past which is unfair for her

Feeding her with hurtful words is an unhealhy relationship to begin with

You ought to be thankful that she is trying to salvage the relationship amidst the cursing

As you mentioned that you are a gentleman and a soft guy doesn't really tally with your unforgiving and vengeful nature

Pardon Paks comments

Good luck in your decision

[wypeon]

Seems that she has changed but not you

You have entranged yourself with her past which is unfair for her

Feeding her with hurtful words is an unhealhy relationship to begin with

You ought to be thankful that she is trying to salvage the relationship amidst the cursing

As you mentioned that you are a gentleman and a soft guy doesn't really tally with your unforgiving and vengeful nature

Pardon Paks comments

Good luck in your decision

I will like to second that. Nicely said.

[cohen]

If you can accept the best then stay but i cannot better let go or else long pain for both people but bestfor you to keep many eye on her this line very tempting to go back because of the good money..........

[goodpartner]

...I am merely asking for advises from anyone who had almost the same experience as me before....

Will be tough to find another bro who have similar experiences man...

Many bros here married a FL knowing their trade, so you can consider adopting similar mindset :rolleyes:

[Noobster30]

I will like to second that. Nicely said.

third for that

[waiwaiz]

. Removing those thread wont help. u have to delete it off your mind

[Zoomzoomzoom]

Bro, whats in the past is past already. Live for the future.

[Ichigo_Kurosaki]

. Removing those thread wont help. u have to delete it off your mind

去山中之賊易，去心中之賊難 :o
Good luck! ;)

[LoveAffair]

Seems that she has changed but not you

You have entranged yourself with her past which is unfair for her

Feeding her with hurtful words is an unhealhy relationship to begin with

You ought to be thankful that she is trying to salvage the relationship amidst the cursing

As you mentioned that you are a gentleman and a soft guy doesn't really tally with your unforgiving and vengeful nature

Pardon Paks comments

Good luck in your decision

You won't understand my point and why do I react like this. I felt hurt and that is why I reacted by hurling insulting remarks which led myself unable to sleep later that night. I am hard on the outside but soft on the inside if u understand what im trying to say. Your comments helps but I am very upset that you assumed. By being a soft guy doesn't mean one can't be vengeful(that's me). By being a gentlement dosent mean one cant show anger and disappointment in the other party. I always believed as no matter what happened as long no hands are lay, thats the most important. Prolly u really don't understand how I really feel that is why u say that. I don't blame u because this is normal for an outsider to say. From outside the picture. Only those that really put themselves in my position will understand the feeling from a guy point of view. Anyway, honestly appreciate your words as I felt slightly better. No offence dude, u really did help. 

[LoveAffair]

去山中之賊易，去心中之賊難 :o
Good luck! ;)

Bro sorry I dont know how to read Chinese although I am one. Can someone try to translate this kind bro words? Maybe it helps me at this point of time too.

[LoveAffair]

If you can accept the best then stay but i cannot better let go or else long pain for both people but bestfor you to keep many eye on her this line very tempting to go back because of the good money..........

One FL used to told me that and she got very upset when I told her the exact same thing u mentioned. Her FB flood with hatred towards that particular FL saying "Not all of us will keep disrespect outselves like u do." i only re phrase it by saying I had a FL friend who told me that. Fact is, it's one on the FL I engaged thru SBF.

[LoveAffair]

This is one amazing kind soul story that touches my heart.
I am not leaving his nick because of privacy reason as he uses PM. Here goes :

I use to have a gf that is a fl here. A chinese fl. And like all the bro here say dont trust them. And so i
Did. But in the end, after she left, i found her last diary that she wrote and realise how much i have hurt her and she love me much to change and all this while i was a jurk. I was so sad that i took the firsy flight with a wedding ring to see her. And by the time i
Propose to her, she say why i come so late. She already is someone mistress and she cannot bear to leave him cos he give her a lot of money.

Bro, dont be like me, u know its not easy for a fl to change but if they do, its becos they see some one worth it. But if u continue to do what u are doing, she will be a worst person than before. And u will be sad that u actually harm the one that love u most.

I have no more chance, but u have. Dont waste it


My reply : Thanks alot bro. This is one hell of the best I got so far. Very appreciate.

[S.B.Y.1]

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[MarkNgSiongBoon]

IGot to be clear your mind ....and choose with her or not ,If yes you must learn to forgave her past .
If you think her past is super important for u! there is no way to move down the next level ..

also think back did you get to know any perfect girl in the world got no history?
so of them also kanna big hole by her own BF already even they not a chick ..

it's hard for a chick to change to normal woman as you Bro Love affair mention ...this is true ,they will only change if they meet someone which they really love...now you both met together its a fate ,put down the face matter and look into future - cause its not present its past ..
Let nature take it course ..0
you forgive another ,another forgive u too :) good luck !;)

[LoveAffair]

Oh my God. What are u trying to prove brother S.B.Y.1? Doesn't do anything to help? I already admit to looking for FLs and some FLs that I look for wasn't even from SBF. It doesn't make any difference for u to say all these and I am quite surprised by your effort in looking up all that I've post in SBF.
What I meant was there's one FL who told me that and that doesn't mean it's one of the 2 I engaged in SBF. I'm still confused as what u are trying to prove by quoting my FRs when I already mentioned i did indeed look for FLs here. Sighs.

[S.B.Y.1]

Good luck bRuR

Pak sincerely wish you all the best in your decision

[LoveAffair]

Good luck bRuR

Pak sincerely wish you all the best in your decision

Of course I wouldn't know how she feel. What if I told you the reason was purely stupid. By helping her ex bf to clear debts? Or to satisfy herself on branded goodies? There are a thousand and one reasons which is plain ridiculous my friend. So do not assumed. I have to reiterate Do Not Assumed it is only out of desperation. I do know of gals who did that too. 

For u to say : 
"Its those unkind remark that are more hurting to her than doing what she has been doing = Believe it that no sane lady would do it for the fun of it"
My reply is you ought to be a little more alert when reading my initial thread. Obviously it is hurting when I insulted her. I even had sleepless night doing that. But have u ever wondered what makes me reacted this way? Lies. 

You also mentioned : "As for the no laying of hands part that just shows how egoistic, inept and insecure you are."
Sorry to say that I really do feel this way. My ego is always high and true enough I am feeling very insecure. 

I gotta add on something which I still stick to my stand. About my future daughter. Yeah.. If she's gonna be an escort(touch wood) so she gotta accept being criticized by the man she love. If she is unable to take criticism then dont even go to the escort line from the very first place. Have u seen young gals working as waitress and taking 2 jobs an not resort to selling themselves even when family have been harassed terribly from loansharks?  
I already mentioned breaking up but it's her who refused up till this day. To conclude, verbal abuse no matter how heated it may be, it's still better than laying hands isn't it? What's your take on that? I truly stick by what I think. you have your say and I got no time to debate anymore. Thanks alot "Pak."

[S.B.Y.1]

Nice signature bRuR :)

[sinner1234]

Of course I wouldn't know how she feel. What if I told you the reason was purely stupid. By helping her ex bf to clear debts? Or to satisfy herself on branded goodies? There are a thousand and one reasons which is plain ridiculous my friend. So do not assumed. I have to reiterate Do Not Assumed it is only out of desperation. I do know of gals who did that too. 

For u to say : 
"Its those unkind remark that are more hurting to her than doing what she has been doing = Believe it that no sane lady would do it for the fun of it"
My reply is you ought to be a little more alert when reading my initial thread. Obviously it is hurting when I insulted her. I even had sleepless night doing that. But have u ever wondered what makes me reacted this way? Lies. 

You also mentioned : "As for the no laying of hands part that just shows how egoistic, inept and insecure you are."
Sorry to say that I really do feel this way. My ego is always high and true enough I am feeling very insecure. 

I gotta add on something which I still stick to my stand. About my future daughter. Yeah.. If she's gonna be an escort(touch wood) so she gotta accept being criticized by the man she love. If she is unable to take criticism then dont even go to the escort line from the very first place. Have u seen young gals working as waitress and taking 2 jobs an not resort to selling themselves even when family have been harassed terribly from loansharks?  
I already mentioned breaking up but it's her who refused up till this day. To conclude, verbal abuse no matter how heated it may be, it's still better than laying hands isn't it? What's your take on that? I truly stick by what I think. you have your say and I got no time to debate anymore. Thanks alot "Pak."

Dear Bro loveaffair,

Reading through your thread and after going through your quoted reiteration as above, allow my humble comment.

You have to part ways.. and it's sooner than later.

It's a waste to me that you can find someone who loves you BUT ("Bei ai shi xing fu.. ai ren shi tong ku" = Being loved is bliss, to love is torturing), your actions and mentality may never cross this one big obstacle.

By carrying on, you are bringing accumulated sadness to both of you and the results could be disastrous later on.

The ball is totally in your court. Much as the advises are there, but some people cannot breach it as it's a mentality thingy.

Finding someone to love you is really very difficult......... really.......
If i am in your shoes, i will brainwash myself. Start clean and afresh.... by letting bygones be bygones. the path is definitely full of hope and positive happenings.

Take care and i wish you all the best in the R/S.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

After having sex with her, we got together. I never like treating gals for fun. Reason because I will always imagined myself having a daughter being fuck by numerous guys. After having sex with whoever, I always managed to start a r/s to see if things do work out. That's my way of doing things...
Though a very noble & righteous way of viewing things, but one must know which application is to be applied when and on what circumstances.
Your current state is because you applied this stance on a wrong circumstance.
Anyway back to the topic.. I was together with her and we got so close together that we talked about simply anything and somehow the topic of Sammyboy pops up. I then asked her about it. She's not honest with me at all initially. But friends of hers are doing it from what I heard from her phone conversations. Trying to be positive, I trust her.
Bro, this is not trying to be positive, even when you type this post, you are lying to yourself, look at these golden rules i copied from my siggy:
The Choices We Make, Dictate The Life We Lead!!!
The 4 Golden Rules in life:
1) 不要欺骗自己 Do not lie to yourself
2) 不要出卖自己 Do not sell yourself out
3) 不要背叛自己 Do not betray yourself
4) 不要对不起自己 Do not do things that you'll be sorry to yourself
是你的，就是你的。What's yours is yours
不是你的，不要抢！If it ain't, dun snatch it!
Been almost a year... and we are staying together. She got a job as a normal sales staff earning very minimal pay. I see changes in her almost instantly which touches my heart. She is not materialistic at all which is tremendous.
Can you verify this as 100% true or is there a possibility that she could be moonlighting behind you?
Also, if she doesn't have that so called job, then how is she suppose to have that work permit to allow her to stay here for so long and to be a FL?
You been to her workplace before when she claims she goes to work?
Or you just send her there and wave bye bye?
You know where my statement is leading to right?
After you leave, she may also leave and continue FLing

I still insult her(My bad) for those guys that she services.. for being a slut.. each insulting words I used on her hurt me too. It's like using my own dick and slapping my face. I just don't know why I did that during arguments. Most of the time, I raised the arguments. I am still very upset about the whole lie. That whole incident. I felt it was not being fair on me. During sleep at night, I would have nightmares or imaginary visions of how our fellow bros fcuk her. It hurts.... hurts badly..
You are doing this because you are very hurt by what she didn't confess or come clean with you in the 1st place, thus you are very emotionally scarred and this is your body's way of retaliation.

The most painful part is no matter how much attempts I tried PMed the admin or the agent to remove those FRS no one seems to be bothered. The Frs are long overdue. Almost a year. I am so lost. What should I do ????
Please advise me..........
By erasing those threads or posts, you will not change anything nor will you be able to wipe her past away like that.
So, in my opinion, leave it and trust me, it will come useful one day.
On numerous occasions, I wanted a break up but each time I see her cried so hard I hold back, I gave in.... I still love her because of the changes she made for me. She stop contacting most guys in fact all except for her cousins, sisters and a few school friends even though I told her I do not mind her contacting guys. Is it unhealthy? I did my best to love her during this time too. Make her feel clean once again... I did everything......
What you did is what you did, what's in her mind and what are her WANTS are the most important thing you have to know & figure out not from her mouth but from little clues lying everywhere everyday.
But am still feeling so heartache when thought of it. What the hell is wrong with me? I wanted a breakup once and for all because its been a year plus we are together and Im still being painful.
Sometimes out of anger, I would drop in to this forum to look for local FLs..
It's like letting myself having sex with another one hoping she would find out and let her understand how the fcuk I am feeling.

Just advise me on what am I supposed to do...
This one i cannot say you are right or wrong, but i personally find it very boliao cos you are not helping nor are you destroying anything.

I am merely asking for advises from anyone who had almost the same experience as me before. It took me a while quite sometime to share this. So please respect my feelings when you do reply. Be sensitive to my feelings. With Appreciations... Thanks......
Before you ask for any advice, answer yourself a simple question.
Can you let go?
Or
Dun wanna let go?
If you can let go, then you dun need to post here but then again, if you cannot let go, whatever you ask here, the answers still will not change your mind.
You are seeking an exit.
An exit from the truth that she was or is still a FL.
Yes, they are all human, granted but do remember, the mind of a FL is very different from the one we should even consider as a wife!
Their main purpose for everything they do is $$$$$$$$$$
Love is secondary.
To them, they know they're attractive enuff so they aren't afraid of loosing a partner cos they know, they will have a replacement before you even know it who will still dote on her etc etc

Your story is very one sided, its all about you and what you found out about her here in sbf.
Yes, i know its tough in your mind now but you must use your big head to control everything you do now.
Use brain to fix matters, use heart to fuck up matters.
In your current state, you should know what to use but you're not using it.
There's a yes and no in your mind too, that's your intuition talking to you!
My personal strong advice to you is, listen to it.
It's our safety mechanism toking to us and its right more often than wrong.

My advise to you is, time to play stalker, but of cos, you must never let her know.
Follow, from work, after work etc etc
If you see anything, DO NOT CONFRONT, you just got confirmation of what you tried so hard not to believe, so just walk away and close case.
Put spyware on her phone so that every call and sms you will know.
Ask her for all her passwords like QQ 微信 etc and go see.
If she doesn't want to give you, you should be very worried, cos for all you know, all her contacts and personal dairy is there!
Remember, if this woman is gonna be wif you and even bear your kids, you MUST be able to accept her past like a bad dream but if it's really past, leave it there and dun bring it back.
Sad to say bro, it's very hard to walk away from being a whore once you are one.
Worst, you mention u dun read chinese, damn, you're already in big disadvantage liao!
So watever the case now, everything must be proved beyond a benefit of a doubt.
DO NOT SEEK HER FRIENDs FOR OPINION OR ADVICE cos they prolly in cahoots in this
Everything do it yourself cos once you see wif your own eyes, there's nothing to condemn or deny already.

An advise before i end here, everywhere we go or walk, there will be the occasional holes in the ground.
These holes can be clearly visible to our naked eyes, so we have A CHOICE whether we wanna walk past those holes or jump in there.
Thus: The Choices We Make, Dictate The Life We Lead!!!

[sammyboyfor]

I truly stick by what I think. you have your say and I got no time to debate anymore. Thanks alot "Pak."

Forget about marrying whores. Once a whore, always a whore.

You may be feeling all lovey dovey and emotional now but after a couple of years of marriage to a whore, the thrill of a new relationship will be long gone, life will become boring and mundane and the reality of what you have done will set in.

She'll feel the the same way too and will have no qualms about "going back to work".

Don't be an idiot. Just tell her that it won't work and move on with your life.

I don't know how old you are but if you're aren't financially independent yet, I suggest you forget about pussy for the time being and concentrate on building up your net worth.

[FarAway]

Hey bro TS,

Do ask yourself how you are viewing this r/s. Of course it's easy to say what love is selfless love is blind all that bull, in reality sometimes it's difficult to mend things that are broke, or forget things that you know. Ask yourself how far you are willing to accept this person for who she is, whatever happened is in the past, if you cling on to it even with the threads deleted it will still stay lodged in your mind.

Imagine everytime you have sex with her you will think of all those bros who have uped her before.. then this r/s is a goner more or less. Most guys can't accept this, they will rather they don't know all their life, trust me. If this is your threshold, have a clean break and move on asap. It won't be easy but it's a sure step forward.

My 2 cents..

P.S. kudos to big sexy bro for trying to help TS in deleting of threads, the result regardless

[hotstuffm8]

trolololol

[Big Sexy]

touching???? really???
that story only amplified the point that whore cannot be trusted.



This is one amazing kind soul story that touches my heart. .....And by the time i
Propose to her, she say why i come so late. She already is someone mistress and she cannot bear to leave him cos he give her a lot of money.

[burningicez]

Agree! they will not be any future if you cannot forget her pass!!! Let her go...





Brother
Be realistic ....
You will keep thinking of her past.
If you cannot let go, if you mind, then be a gentleman, let her go.

giving her false hope is far more damaging.

Do the right thing.

Else, just look beyond the past, see her and who she is now.

[Summersnowz]

Agree! they will not be any future if you cannot forget her pass!!! Let her go...

Bro,

Agreed with you on this! Life just have to move on, though not easy, but is the determination that counts.

[LoveAffair]

It's been a better day with positive comments and advises flooding in. Some are wake up msges while some are not really effective..
Nevertheless, I sincerely appreciate the effort some of u make. Eg. Big Sexy on deleting her past threads. That is the major first step for me if I were to continue the r/s. some might think its useless but to me it's really helpful.
I am still grieving over the past.
Guess I would need a while more to ask myself is it really going to work. Till date, I must emphasized again the effort that she made, changes that are made.. Those are constant. I hate myself for being indecisive. But I really thought of having a future before. ESP when both are families come close during gatherings. I have also tried converting her to a Christian which I am. Guess its better to go one step at a time. Letting the Lord do his miracle.
I dont mind for more advises. Coz it really will help. This thread has made me recharged one way or another from some bros MSG.

Thanks.

[hamsapkwai]

That confirms it Sammyboy is in comatose state these few days , someone better go check on his pulse :p

[Ynwa0101]

All the best bro....

It's been a better day with positive comments and advises flooding in. Some are wake up msges while some are not really effective..
Nevertheless, I sincerely appreciate the effort some of u make. Eg. Big Sexy on deleting her past threads. That is the major first step for me if I were to continue the r/s. some might think its useless but to me it's really helpful.
I am still grieving over the past.
Guess I would need a while more to ask myself is it really going to work. Till date, I must emphasized again the effort that she made, changes that are made.. Those are constant. I hate myself for being indecisive. But I really thought of having a future before. ESP when both are families come close during gatherings. I have also tried converting her to a Christian which I am. Guess its better to go one step at a time. Letting the Lord do his miracle.
I dont mind for more advises. Coz it really will help. This thread has made me recharged one way or another from some bros MSG.

Thanks.

[frivolous_ami]

There is never any clear answer in relationship. Criminals also deserve a 2nd chance. My lao bu was prob working in a lup sup joint though i ve never asked about it. My view is, let history be past. People make mistakes and i am no saint.

If a gal can be so honest and be willing to change, i dun see an issue. I would be very dulan if she cant come clean or at least be willing to change n move on. I know my lao bu suffered for the family. In fact, i will be ready to give my respect for these gals cos they are ready to sacrifice for family. Normal gals may not be any better... if you know what i mean. Normal gals may even screw you for not making enough or not driving a car.

Ultimate decision still lies with ts. It will be difficult but we should not live with regrets. Some years later, you will look back either with regret or pleasant memories. Do not make a hasty decision and regret.

Ps: be happy if you have someone you love because its a blessing that dont come everyday.

[ROCKERS]

"I have also tried converting her to a Christian which I am. Guess its better to go one step at a time. Letting the Lord do his miracle. "


I am proud to tell you my devil in me has been defeated for 6min 66sec
by your strong willpower!

[heye]

bro if u tink it tis way which gal is not F by other guys.... as long as she is faithfult o u why not... we have gals who is SO decent lookin and yet F behinf th ehusband or BF.....
If u look @ urself is she ur only women the entire life...
she is willing to change for u and why dun u give her a chance..... wat u ahve ample $$$ or are u savue like edison then u should start reflecting

[heye]

i realli wish u happiness .... u cant change the past but u can create ur future

[insultress]

from a ladies point of view....if u love her enough. let her go.
if you couldnt do it for yourself at least do it for her.
its obvious you dont accept her for who she is or was despite her changes and constantly judge her. even to the extent of trying to convert her?? dude, come on.

if you really love someone you dont try to change them to fit you.
moreover, she has changed for you so thats more effort im seeing on her part than from you. you're just being selfish. cut it clean and move on. at least you'll know you made a positive difference in a small part of her life. she'd be better of without you hunkering over her past.

everything to date has been about you and you claim to love her so.
then do the right thing and act based on whats good for her and not yourself.
what she choses to do with her life from here on out is her choice but at least u gave a taste of a different path. hopefully one which she continues on and not falling back into the past. thats her mistake to make and not yours to decide.

[AHH2222MK6]

First step, To dear TS, please sing to this lyric and ease your depression first:D
It's a human sign
When things go wrong
When the scent of her lingers
And temptation's strong

Into the boundary
Of each married man
Sweet deceit comes calling
And negativity lands

Cold, cold heart
Hard done by you
Some things look better, baby
Just passing through

And it's no sacrifice
Just a simple word
It's two hearts living
In two separate worlds
But it's no sacrifice
No sacrifice
It's no sacrifice at all

Mutual misunderstanding
After the fact
Sensitivity builds a prison
In the final act

We lose direction
No stone unturned
No tears to damn you
When jealousy burns

2nd Step: After you finish singing the above song, go and tell your FL cum gf that you wanted her so badly and you would give her this world as long as she discontinue her profession in flesh trade. Make sure you negotiate T&C with your gf:D

3rd Step: Once 2nd step is done, you can proceed to log in SBF and post a new thread or reply at present thread that you FL cum gf is no longer a public commodity and she's sincerely all yours (of course you wont expose that your are the FL's lover, right:p)

4th Step: Finish 2nd step? Then proceed to pack your FL cum gf over your place and begin your lovey-dovey I love U love me story and spice up your intimacy with sexual fantasy that you yearning to do like those AV type. Once the FL is under your possession, she will obeys you and pleases you in any form and kind. Then, repeat and repeat over and over again.....

Last but not least: Step 1,2,3,4, what next? You can climb up to Marina Tower and make a headline. "I want to die for you bla bla bla.. because a new thread has been opened in SBF once more promoting your FL cum gf services and unlimited FRs has been posted by mongers who have upped your FL cum GF with those nasty things they do, DFK, BBBJ, 69, Missionary and you name it"... and tomorrow the daily paper will post a tiny column of a lad whose turning into a sorrow knight who perished his life for a whore."


No pun intended to dear TS. I might be talking crap but did you know when a woman engage in flesh trade, it is not an optional or alternative solution to earn a living although there are many women in this universe is learning less and lesser than your desired FL cum gf. Once your FL cum GF resort to do FL, obviously to say that your FL cum GF has made a choice that will influence the individual surrounding her, family, friends, boy-friends or lovers that to those who knew her trust whether past or present, she will be condemned but what to do. She is already engaging in trade. Selling body inclusive providing sexual services to men in exchange for money like what you said she is earning so little and FL is just a part time.

Perhaps you try and figure out a solution best for both of you. Maybe you can try to persuade your FL cum GF to engage in other trade instead of selling body. At least you will feel better reading lesser FRs regarding your FL cum GF servicing men within Sillypore. But you will also read some other FRs like she's offering B2B with BBBJ and all sort of explicit services you can imagine. At least you will feel better reading your FL cum GF only providing AR, BBBBJ, HJ. Trust me:) The conclusion is simple. If you FL cum GF was a foreigner, no option and choice for her to work in better environment although she could be earning lesser money. The only way for a your FL cum GF to earn extra income, many options available in Sillypore. But still, she needs to provide extra service which is involving flesh trading.

[LoveAffair]

Thank u for your reply. But i really hope u can take a little bit more effort in reading before posting. By loving her enough.. Sighs.... Try not to take it from the offensive way uh huh?

I supposed I have mentioned that i initiate breaking up a couple of times. In fact, more than a couple. I have told her time and time again that the best way is to part. I even try explaining why we can't be together. That big lie - as an escort, too much to swallow. I would rather she come clean with me which should be the way from the very start. At least it's being fair on me. Which then, I
will think if we are suitable. I am not too sure about your point of view but I do had a few female friends that are close enough to sought advise for. It's a little bit uneasy to see u saying :

If u love her enough. let her go. 
if you couldnt do it for yourself at least do it for her.

You sound like I wanted her so badly that I am tormenting her. Which is disappointing to see.. For the fact that u are upset that I try converting her to a Christian is quite surprising too. I hope u are not being too much of the anti-religion thingy. I wished to
point out that I'm not entirely a religious or rather "holy" person. I'm not against any other religion too. It works both ways u see.. She knows I'm a Christian and to my parents place, my family are all too. Im born a Christian. She is currently a free thinker, and I just figured why not? I'm not forcing? I'm not buying a cross for her to wear.. Im not putting a bible and make it a "must read".... And of course I'm not pulling her to church..? So, please... Please... Try not to sound like I'm demanding a change in her. She told me she would like to go to a church and I simply d/l a bible application and thought of converting her that's just it.  Nothing else. No force no nothing. Don't have to be so pissed if u are.. Hope u are feeling better lady..

And yes, I cannot accept her past. Mainly due to the big lie. If it happened before, I would have the phobia it might happen again in the future. I'm not Mr Tough guy when it comes to r/s. that is why all the depress, sadness pops up. I'm lost. I came in to SBF to sought more advices. That's all. 

We all have different point of view towards love. It's a complicated one there. Sometimes when u love someone enough, u changed for them. Whereas in your case, u think if u love someone enough u accept me for who I am. I'm not saying u are wrong in this aspect. She initiate to change even when I told her to be yourself. Isn't it very comforting..? That's the beautiful part for me. I dont demand much. I have to admit the most suckiest part is only when i insulted her verbally if u looked at my initial thread. I am not that demanding.. Obviously certain things gotta changed if we still wish to continue. Things like going back to the past.. I'm sure if u had a bf who used to work in Thai boys club u would want him to change that to becoming a normal guy isn't it? Unless u don't....
I frankly don't remember myself mentioning anything like wanting her to change etc. so yup.. Maybe it's your assumption again which I don't blame u at all..

I disagree to a certain extent when u said everything to date is about me. Disagree because if i were to see her as a slut still, or if everything is about me like u said, I wouldn't have introduced her to my family. I wouldnt have spent quality time with her family. I wouldnt make that extra effort to bring both families together for a simple meal. I wouldnt kept her past from her new friends, her family etc. I wouldnt even go the extra mile to pick her up from her work despite being tired. So its not exactly everything is about me.
And True to a smaller extent because I still find it hard to accept the fact that she got laid by NUMEROUS. U are not a guy, and that is why u will never understand lady. Unfortunately, I'm not perfect. I can't forget her past just like that. Everyone reacts to certain things differently and I need more time which I already mentioned to her till date. I hope to see more stability although she already proved. But i still felt this uneasiness deep within. And that is why I'm silently demanding more stability. It's only normal for me I supposed. Even though she continue to give her best.. The longer I see her staying this way, the lesser I would think of her past. So what's wrong with everything is about me. She is doing her best to prove to me and I am still observing. That should be the normal thing as least, for me. 

You have to bear in mind again that on numerous occasion, I asked her to look forward. Each time she drop tears and hold me. I am indecisive on this till date. Her family doesnt want me to leave and how is that? Tell them about her past? Show them the FRs so they would understand??? This is the killer blow. That is why im in here to look for more advises. If i can come out with a decision fast, I
Wouldn't have come in here or get high at certain nights talking and confiding with friends. Ultimately, decision i still had to make and because I seriously still had feelings for her, I doubt I can make a decision so fast. No one will understand the exact feeling I feel. 


I don't wish to elaborate more on this. But I seriously appreciate your kind effort in replying my thread. 


from a ladies point of view....if u love her enough. let her go.
if you couldnt do it for yourself at least do it for her.
its obvious you dont accept her for who she is or was despite her changes and constantly judge her. even to the extent of trying to convert her?? dude, come on.

if you really love someone you dont try to change them to fit you.
moreover, she has changed for you so thats more effort im seeing on her part than from you. you're just being selfish. cut it clean and move on. at least you'll know you made a positive difference in a small part of her life. she'd be better of without you hunkering over her past.

everything to date has been about you and you claim to love her so.
then do the right thing and act based on whats good for her and not yourself.
what she choses to do with her life from here on out is her choice but at least u gave a taste of a different path. hopefully one which she continues on and not falling back into the past. thats her mistake to make and not yours to decide.

[sgjoey]

I will probably be zapped for saying this, but the truth is the truth.

All religion is crap. Religion is just another form of politics. It is designed to control the behavior of the masses. What better way of getting large masses of people to behave than getting them to believe that god is watching you all the time or that karma will ensure that you will be punished for doing bad things?

The simple truth and the stark reality is that it is safe to ignore religion. Just be law-abiding and get on with members of your community. The reason we need to do so is not because of god or karma but just so that civilised existence is possible.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Errr, actually, you did want to break up but still together now. So, if you really want to break up and dun want her around anymore she also no choice agree? So this answers what Insultress was trying to emphasise in her reply to you.

Insultress, your comments are noted though agreed in many ways, do not perceive religion, in this case, being a christian in your own perception. I'm roman catholic and I know where is TS coming from. Christians minus roman catholics are something like muslims, you want to join us, you better convert. Only diff is Christians minus catholics evangalise and muslims dun.

sggoey, well said. Religion is only a directional pointer, so its still up to the individual to walk the correct direction.

TS, you proudly proclaim you're a christian and try to convert her, then why you go call prostitute?

My advise you to you is get 2 things right.
Want to fuck, fuck until sextisfaction.
Want to love, love until go crazy.
Want to marry a whore or ex whore, must be able to accept her past
Cannot accept her past, then have a good enjoyable fuck!

Your situation now is like, running round in a circular room looking for a corner to relak la bro:p

Also, if you start a thread, you must be open to all opinions good or bad. Whether you can accept or not.
Some will find your plight pitiful, some will find you a moron some will even shrug you off as plain boliao.

If you read all the posts with your heart, the answer you seek is already there and its plain to see.

[sinner1234]

I will probably be zapped for saying this, but the truth is the truth.

All religion is crap. Religion is just another form of politics. It is designed to control the behavior of the masses. What better way of getting large masses of people to behave than getting them to believe that god is watching you all the time or that karma will ensure that you will be punished for doing bad things?

The simple truth and the stark reality is that it is safe to ignore religion. Just be law-abiding and get on with members of your community. The reason we need to do so is not because of god or karma but just so that civilised existence is possible.


I second to the above explanation.

Was a christian. Now.. F.T.........

But i still believe in God though... just that i see no need to have to be a christian in order to be with God.. :S


Dear Bro sgjoey,

Quote:
All religion is crap.

The quoted sentence is abit errr too "strong"...... "Belief" maybe more approp.
Just my opinion only.


Gd day to ya.




Nowadays... church sessions.. esp those with large followings are no different to the ones stated in the bible....... following "blindly".......

[Ichigo_Kurosaki]

FOREWORD:

With due respect to all religions, faiths, beliefs, believers and non believers

It is a statement about morality in the subjective sense

This morality is by no means self-evident nor refer to me :D

I will probably be zapped for saying this, but the truth is the truth.

All religion is crap. Religion is just another form of politics. It is designed to control the behavior of the masses. What better way of getting large masses of people to behave than getting them to believe that god is watching you all the time or that karma will ensure that you will be punished for doing bad things?

The simple truth and the stark reality is that it is safe to ignore religion. Just be law-abiding and get on with members of your community. The reason we need to do so is not because of god or karma but just so that civilised existence is possible.

Please allow me to soften the above comment. ;)

All religions essentially preaches morality and each religion has its own rites, rituals, ceremonies, cults, beliefs and dogma.

IMHO, most often the root of the issues are the followers when they are misguided and develop a tremendous amount of attachment to their own rites, rituals, faith and dogma as the only means of salvation. Such misguided persons may not have even a trace of morality, a trace of love, compassion and good will towards others and yet remain under the impression that they are religious persons cos they have performed such and such rite or ritual or cos they have full faith in a particular belief. They are actually deluding themselves and missing the nectar of the practice of the true essence of religion.

People with strong attachment to their own faith have the firm belief that the followers of all other religions are non-believers and therefor will never taste salvation. They are fully convinced that to convert others to their religion is a great meritorious deed and hence they apply various coercive methods. With such blind faith, these followers are likely to turn into fanatic fundamentalism leading to controversies, contradictions, violent confrontations and even wars and bloodshed resulting in a tremendous amount of misery in the society wiping away its peace and harmony. Ironically, all this is done in the name of religion. :(

In short: The greatest common denominator of all religions essentially preaches MORALITY - A true religious life where one lives a moral code of conduct, a happy harmonious healthy, wholesome life, in peace and harmony within oneself and generates nothing but peace and harmony others. A life that is always good for oneself, good for others, and good for the entire human society. A life that protects the weak and against all hideous crime and scams

Anyway, in the spirit of this forum, we are just laypeople wandering around this realm with only a short span of life. Don't be too hard on ourselves and enjoy sex while it last :p

[sinner1234]

FOREWORD:

With due respect to all religions, faiths, beliefs, believers and non believers

It is a statement about morality in the subjective sense

This morality is by no means self-evident nor refer to me :D



Please allow me to soften the above comment. ;)

All religions essentially preaches morality and each religion has its own rites, rituals, ceremonies, cults, beliefs and dogma.

IMHO, most often the root of the issues are the followers when they are misguided and develop a tremendous amount of attachment to their own rites, rituals, faith and dogma as the only means of salvation. Such misguided persons may not have even a trace of morality, a trace of love, compassion and good will towards others and yet remain under the impression that they are religious persons cos they have performed such and such rite or ritual or cos they have full faith in a particular belief. They are actually deluding themselves and missing the nectar of the practice of the true essence of religion.

People with strong attachment to their own faith have the firm belief that the followers of all other organized sectarian religions are non-believers and therefor will never taste salvation. They are fully convinced that to convert others to their religion is a great meritorious deed and hence they apply various coercive methods. With such blind faith, these followers are likely to turn into fanatic fundamentalism leading to controversies, contradictions, violent confrontations and even wars and bloodshed resulting in a tremendous amount of misery in the society wiping away its peace and harmony. Ironically, all this is done in the name of religion. :(

In short: The greatest common denominator of all religions essentially preaches MORALITY - A true religious life where one lives a moral code of conduct, a happy harmonious healthy, wholesome life, in peace and harmony within oneself and generates nothing but peace and harmony others. A life that is always good for oneself, good for others, and good for the entire human society. A life that protects the weak and against all hideous crime and scams ;)


Totally agree....

Just sharing two "little" examples:

1) One guy came out of his sunday session and went straight into a cab..... to get lovey dovey with a pinay at lucky plaza and head straight to H81..... :S...

2) One lady practise the high stand of... ---I do not lie as i am a "chrxstxxn". yet.... when late for work or do not feel like going to work... "chia MC".......


Please........ MORALITY is to be above all others.....


Ps: I'm not flamming anyone here..not all are bad eggs la.... just sharing my opinion.

Note: I'm not called sinner for nothing yah as i have done my fair bit of misdeed.... :S.........

[Ichigo_Kurosaki]

The worst kind is trying to profit using a greater cause for the benefits to all bros as an excuse :D

I have sin cos I just cannot control but to rub it in :p

Later, I will go to pray and confess ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRHetRTOD1Q

It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a sin
It's a sin
Every Cais I've ever done
Every Patterns I ever do
Every HC/KTV/HFJ I've ever been
Every Lorongs I'm going to
It's a sin

[sinner1234]

The worst kind is trying to profit using a greater cause for the benefits to all bros as an excuse :D

I have sin cos I just cannot control but to rub it in :p

Later, I will go to pray and confess ;)


Bro IK,

Hhaha.... indirect arrows all around.......... mght as well add in a profound phrase as your signature to carry the msg?........... greater effect leh ;p


You have another sin act with the sinner....... "hijacking" threads without " positive contribution" to TS's thread......... ;p

[Apocalypse]

I have also tried converting her to a Christian which I am. Guess its better to go one step at a time. Letting the Lord do his miracle.
I dont mind for more advises. Coz it really will help. This thread has made me recharged one way or another from some bros MSG.

Thanks.

I have to read your postings a few times before I fully understand what you are saying. these days, there are many people who say that I didn't say that you say that. so must check everything carefully.

Not sure where or what stage your r/s is in? is it over? or you are praying for some miracle? Actually I find the part about you trying to convert her to a Christian, and repeatedly talking about her past appalling. If you can't get your fundamentals right, please don't drag christianity into the topic.

Sunday School Stuff
If this wasn't taught to you on sunday school, let me give you a quick debrief

- All man are sinners and fallen short of the glory of God. so whether she is a whore, or you are a whoremonger, you stand equal before God. That doesn't make you better than her.

- Woman, lift your head. Where are your accusers? Neither do I accuse you. She was a whore, are you not someone who use whore? So why are you accusing her?

- behold you are a new creature and your past is put away If you claim to be a christian, you should be familiar with this verse. Her past is gone, so why are you not accepting it? Jesus never ask anyone to convert and believe him. He simply is, and He show it by actions. He extended kindness and grace to adultress, murderers, all kind of evil people before "converting them". Should you not do the same for them as well?

You
What I understand from what you posted, is that you enjoy being in the center of power, where she is dependent on you. You like to hear and know that she needs you. every time she cries, every time a tear breaks, it gives you a sense of power, that she needs you, and you are in control. Especially you are deciding right now whether she can leave or not. Unconciously or conciously I don't know, but because on what is said, thats the current case.

The Reality
But you are not God, and while you are in the position of power, you don't have enough power to let her draw from you, because you are not getting the power from God. So its man, and not God that turn religion into politics. :D

In simple terms, its like a circuit, and you are not the battery unfortunately, you are the capacitor. Capacitor burst and explode when they go kuku and try to be the battery.

So if you cannot accept her for who she is, you already had your share of fun with her. so let her go and trust that Someone better will take care of her because you can't. If you can accept her for who she is, then all the best to you.

It doesn't mean there won't be fights, it doesn't means there won't be issue, but its a matter of who you see is in control of the situation. :D

[Apocalypse]

Please........ MORALITY is to be above all others.....

Note: I'm not called sinner for nothing yah as i have done my fair bit of misdeed.... :S.........

I don't mind to be behind sometimes, and inspecting the morality actually :p

apocalypse is the begining of knowledge, and I do not condem your sins. whahahaha :p

[sinner1234]

I don't mind to be behind sometimes, and inspecting the morality actually :p

apocalypse is the begining of knowledge, and I do not condem your sins. whahahaha :p


Bro Apocalypse,

Err.... the first statement.... is your call... ;p... enjoy... ;p


Knowledge is power ;p.......... yup.... but on surface ppl said tht....... but deep down inside.... it's all plain to see... :o


btw.... even though your detailed posts are "heavy"... i do like them... thnx....

errrr.. not "tripod" yah......... i do "shoot" you.. if you hvnt notice.... ;p lmao

[findfren]

 You have to bear in mind again that on numerous occasion, I asked her to look forward. Each time she drop tears and hold me.

Have u ever wondered, could it be she is scared to hurt u if she agree readily for a breakup? :confused:

I have a neighbour whose wife was a beer lady, he managed to sian her and they got married after 6 years together.

During their 4 years marriage, fights, arguements arose time to time cos husband cant get over her previous job and she too can't forget the hurting words and abuse she had to endure also.

But whenever a fight comes up, wifey will always be the one to give in [ i don't understand why is it so till now ] and my friend keep on thinking tat the wife cant live without him.

Till 1 day, the fight was so bad until flower pots are all over the corridoor, windows chui, wife head got blood, husband arms slashed, and both of em was having a confrontation on the corridoor.

angry husband: After all this years, you say i don't treat u gd?

Wifey: NBCB, u jiak ba eng eng then insult me and wack me, u call tat treating me well? :eek:

Angry husband: Then limpeh ask u 1 thing,why the fuck are u still here.

Wifey: Ok, then wat the fuck u wan now!!

Angry husband: Lets divorce!!

Wifey: Ok, divorce then divorce! Its not as if i cant live without u!

angry husband: Are u sure!! ( having 2nd tots liao )

Wifey: 是的,没有你我日子照过, 我一直没离开你就怕我伤到你的心因为我知道你是个软弱的人,现在我终于能脱离苦海了... :D

Angry husband: break down in tears and realised finally tat he is the one who cant let go and all the while he think that he is the stronger one but in fact he is actually the weaker one . :)

So hopefully this thread starter won't be like my neighbour and get things wrong.

[Apocalypse]

Bro Apocalypse,

Err.... the first statement.... is your call... ;p... enjoy... ;p


Knowledge is power ;p.......... yup.... but on surface ppl said tht....... but deep down inside.... it's all plain to see... :o


btw.... even though your detailed posts are "heavy"... i do like them... thnx....

errrr.. not "tripod" yah......... i do "shoot" you.. if you hvnt notice.... ;p lmao

morality is usually protrayed as a goddess in myth and mythology mah. :D

I rather have Venus to be on top of me, and I'm standing behind Morality, bonking them looking at Justice, covering her eyes. :D

[LoveAffair]

Don't understand the big fuss when trying to convert her when she wants a cross from me. And not to forget, asking me to bring her to church. I guessed some bros misread what I meant and assumption is unfortunately commonly adopted. This thread is never about religion and I don't see any reasons why being a Christian can't hook up escort services. Sorry to be blunt but that is seriously ridiculous.

I'm not a pastor(even them too, sin) I'm not Mr Holy. I don't go to church anymore but I still pray and give thanks. I supposed someone here meant being a Christian can't do alot of things. Which is quite tough and rare to find in the modern world.

I have to reiterate that I'm no holy. I don't force someone to convert to my religion at al which some of u assumed. She wanted me to go to church with her when shes not even a Christian means something to me. It might be God calling? Anyway, no point debating on this topic anymore. This thread wasn't even about Religion in the first place. I only stated converting her to a Christian and it sparks much debate over it. Some even sound pissed.

I still wished to thank some who comfort me over PM. Be it long or short PM msges. And again, some of our bros messages. I don't blame some crude remarks which I already expected from the very beginning when I decided to post in this forum. So be it positive or negative be it enlightening or plainly ridiculous comments, I will still respect each individual remarks/replies.

[LazyCat]

Dear TS,

I went through all your posts, all I can say is... they are very emotional.

In the end, you have to decide, like some of the more senior bros here said:

Option 1: You Accept Her

- then you have to forgive her and move on from there.
- you will bound to have quarrels, but please don't use the excuse of her past as a
point for the quarrels, as it will make you look damn petty and without honor, integrity
or decency.
- you will also have to accept her for what she was, what she is now and what she
might be in the future.
- that's the price you have to pay.. Not money but the baggage that goes into this
relationship.

Option 2: You can't accept her

- then let her go.
- It is eating you up inside.. the longer you drag it
- It is also not fair for either party.

In the end, it is YOU who have to decide. You should not use the fact that you have sex with her as a argument that you need to be responsible for her. It takes 2 hands to clap, remember that.

Bottomline: If you can lift it up.... Make sure you can put it down...

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers.

[Gaofar]

Sigh... This is going to be a long one from me...

I was.. sort of previously like you.. Knew an FL, went "Ga-Ga" over her, understand that she is still doing her job while having a r/s with me.. Those moments are tearingly painful man.. Many a times I cried and tried to get over her but seriously failed.. Those are really some of my "darkess" moments in my life.. I am not making up this story as there is one particular bro here knows full well of this story of mine.. (:D)

I share your feelings bro LA. I fully understand what you are going through and I agree that it's a path not taken by many. Guess it's only meant for bros who are "weak" in the heart type one lah..

Time to strengthen up that heart of yours.. Fast-forward of my story: today I am no longer with her as I made her go back to her country. She surrendered herself to the police and was made to go to jail in Singapore here for a month, as she is an over-stayer, before repatriation back to her country. There was a moment of time that I thought that I will have to migrate to that country to be with her, but soon I realised that I will simply not be able to take her for what she is and forget her past (especially when I was ALONG WITH her past...), and so I cut off all communication with her and leave her there..

Bro LA, as what many had said over here numerous times: it's really a matter of whether you can accept her or not for what she is. I am not being judgemental or persuading you to do otherwise, but there are indeed successful stories of such r/s together and TRUST and FAITH plays a big part in it. Adding words of religion to your statement would make many people sees as you are making excuse. Tell that to anyone of your story and include the religion part and you will have mere mortals thinking in their head: "that's crap..". That's only human so don't be too "engrossed" over what others responded in that aspect.

Dude, snap out of it and I'm sure, somehow or rather, there is actually a clear thought of what you exactly want to do. Don't be clouded by other influences. Life carries on bro...

Cheers and regards.

[LoveAffair]

Bro. I have no Points for u. I would have done so if I have the power. Cheers :)

[LouisVuiitton]

Give her a chance lah brother of not moved on don't look back !

[Asia1]

my simple suggestion:

after being your gf officially, she still with escort?

if no, she stopped and want to settle down with you, give her a chance

if yes until you confront her, then give her a pass (she may back to do it again in the future)

[zeebji]

This reply is a stark reminder to you that once a whore, always a whore. He's lucky he didnt marry this girl.

This is one amazing kind soul story that touches my heart.
I am not leaving his nick because of privacy reason as he uses PM. Here goes :

I use to have a gf that is a fl here. A chinese fl. And like all the bro here say dont trust them. And so i
Did. But in the end, after she left, i found her last diary that she wrote and realise how much i have hurt her and she love me much to change and all this while i was a jurk. I was so sad that i took the firsy flight with a wedding ring to see her. And by the time i
Propose to her, she say why i come so late. She already is someone mistress and she cannot bear to leave him cos he give her a lot of money.

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My reply : Thanks alot bro. This is one hell of the best I got so far. Very appreciate.

[gradeaprick]

If you were a gentleman when you met her, at least be a gentleman when you leave her .

[RealEstateGuy]

Braddah if you are able to then follow your heart. Braddah it soounds like you still want to be with her but seek public approval from the Braddahs here. But Braddah, you dont need validation from anyone but your heart. Alright Braddah, keep us informed.

[sane]

[QUOTE=Gaofar;6941812]Sigh... This is going to be a long one from me...
but soon I realised that I will simply not be able to take her for what she is and forget her past (especially when I was ALONG WITH her past...), and so I cut off all communication with her and leave her there..
Bro LA, as what many had said over here numerous times: it's really a matter of whether you can accept her or not for what she is. QUOTE]

Totally agreed with wat the bro say....

This will be the same advise for rocky r/s, affairs etc..it might be their fault initially.

Can you overcome the barrier? Accept, bury the past and never bring it up again. Can you do it?

There's only misery for both of u if accept on the surface but not in your heart.

If not, move on. It might be painful. However there's nothing that time can't heal. Nobody can ever help u if you do not walk out of the circle by urself.

[MP5F]

Been almost a year... and we are staying together. She got a job as a normal sales staff earning very minimal pay. I see changes in her almost instantly which touches my heart. She is not materialistic at all which is tremendous.

I still insult her(My bad) for those guys that she services.. for being a slut.. each insulting words I used on her hurt me too. It's like using my own dick and slapping my face. I just don't know why I did that during arguments. Most of the time, I raised the arguments. I am still very upset about the whole lie. That whole incident. I felt it was not being fair on me. During sleep at night, I would have nightmares or imaginary visions of how our fellow bros fcuk her. It hurts.... hurts badly..

Please advise me..........

On numerous occasions, I wanted a break up but each time I see her cried so hard I hold back, I gave in.... I still love her because of the changes she made for me. I did my best to love her during this time too. Make her feel clean once again... I did everything......
But am still feeling so heartache when thought of it. What the hell is wrong with me? I wanted a breakup once and for all because its been a year plus we are together and Im still being painful.
Sometimes out of anger, I would drop in to this forum to look for local FLs..
It's like letting myself having sex with another one hoping she would find out and let her understand how the fcuk I am feeling.

Just advise me on what am I supposed to do...


1. if u really likes her u should forget about her past, n think of your future with her. Verbal abuses which u r givin her is as bad as physical abuses. if u always can't sleep at nite, thinkin of how many bro. had bonked her, it's recommended that u c a doctor n tel him/her that u got a relationship problem, n u can't sleep wel at nite. long term insomnia wil lead to mental and physical fatigue for u. by lookin for local FL n hopin that she wil find out, prove what ? You Are Insecure N U Want Revenge. it doesn't serve any purpose at all bro. :)

2. If You Stil Can't Accept the Cold Hard Facts that she had been bonked by many bro. it's better to let her go, so that she can be free. By freeing her, u can also b free of your suffering. :)

[jolenekoh]

take out a kitchen knife, slit urself in the throat.

[ironman73]

Thought long and hard before posting here. Am not sure how many -ve I will receive, it doesnt matter anymore. Whether I been zapped....
Till date or even this moment, my heart is still pumping fast or rather uneasy when thought of it. Breathing heavily with so much aching inside me. Guess no one will understand how I really feel... rather miserable..

It all happens a while ago. Went to chill out with a couple of friends and saw this lady. She wasn't even in my range of "Radar" due to her dressings, loaded with guys etc.. Saw her a couple of times already and we just smile and talk for a lil while when brought together by a mutual friend. Not sure was it my mistake or not.. I didn't initiate the xchange of contact at that first few times. It's only on the 4th or 5th meetup when I am slightly tipsy and that's when we really talk. The xchange of number starts.

We got really really close and she's been very nice to me whenever I was down. Always there for me. Without a doubt, it's almost like a sweet counsellor there to talk positive onto me. There was this night it all happen...

I was so drunk and tipsy this one night. And wanted her companion so decided to bring her back to my place. Never brought any gals back to my home other than hotel. Not sure why I did that when I just know her not too long ago. Was feeling stressed up bout my job and we chatted for the longest time. Being the gentleman me decided not to be all over her, I was controlling myself but deep down.. I have the strong urged to have sex with her when she lied down (with blankets covered) on my bed looking at me as I talk. After chatting, there was like a min or 2 of awkward silence.
Looking at her cute face, went close to her cheek but I somehow hold back. The next thing I know is she had kissed me. And bros.. u guys should know what happened next..

After having sex with her, we got together. I never like treating gals for fun. Reason because I will always imagined myself having a daughter being fuck by numerous guys. After having sex with whoever, I always managed to start a r/s to see if things do work out. That's my way of doing things...

Anyway back to the topic.. I was together with her and we got so close together that we talked about simply anything and somehow the topic of Sammyboy pops up. I then asked her about it. She's not honest with me at all initially. But friends of hers are doing it from what I heard from her phone conversations. Trying to be positive, I trust her.
One day out of curiosity, I decided to check on SBF. Look up that particular name which I overheard from her friend. And true enough, those descriptions and photos all matched her. I was seriously feeling HASTY inside me. Stunned and not sure if I should continue reading. Each FRs written for her made my tears drop. I was shaking uncontrollably FOR ME, being a guy never believed in dropping tears. I text her immediately without thinking : Thanks for everything, for being a great lier. It was very early in the middle of the night about 4 plus. Assuming she was asleep. To my surprised, my phone got bomb numerous times. Text SMSes kept coming. Asking me what happened. Asking me to wait for her and less than 30mins, I got a text from her that she is outside my place. Trying to be strong and wiping my tears at the same time reading those FRs how our fellow brothers bonk her. Miserable.
When we finally met up outside, I broke down silently and mentioned the name she uses for FL services. The same goes to her. Tough moment when I told her one by one about each and every FRs.
Been almost a year... and we are staying together. She got a job as a normal sales staff earning very minimal pay. I see changes in her almost instantly which touches my heart. She is not materialistic at all which is tremendous.

I still insult her(My bad) for those guys that she services.. for being a slut.. each insulting words I used on her hurt me too. It's like using my own dick and slapping my face. I just don't know why I did that during arguments. Most of the time, I raised the arguments. I am still very upset about the whole lie. That whole incident. I felt it was not being fair on me. During sleep at night, I would have nightmares or imaginary visions of how our fellow bros fcuk her. It hurts.... hurts badly..

The most painful part is no matter how much attempts I tried PMed the admin or the agent to remove those FRS no one seems to be bothered. The Frs are long overdue. Almost a year. I am so lost. What should I do ????
Please advise me..........

On numerous occasions, I wanted a break up but each time I see her cried so hard I hold back, I gave in.... I still love her because of the changes she made for me. She stop contacting most guys in fact all except for her cousins, sisters and a few school friends even though I told her I do not mind her contacting guys. Is it unhealthy? I did my best to love her during this time too. Make her feel clean once again... I did everything......
But am still feeling so heartache when thought of it. What the hell is wrong with me? I wanted a breakup once and for all because its been a year plus we are together and Im still being painful.
Sometimes out of anger, I would drop in to this forum to look for local FLs..
It's like letting myself having sex with another one hoping she would find out and let her understand how the fcuk I am feeling.

Just advise me on what am I supposed to do...

I don't care if you ZAPPED OR UPPED me. This is a very personal experience and I am merely asking for advises from anyone who had almost the same experience as me before. It took me a while quite sometime to share this. So please respect my feelings when you do reply. Be sensitive to my feelings. With Appreciations... Thanks......

I have afew friends who have but sadly to said, only one work out. You will need to have the heart of a lion or really love this woman to overcome this problem. This is very tough for a man. Pride, dignity etc.

I did not read through what other bros have adviced you but i believe all advice and comments meant you well. As for me i just wanted to keep it simple and analyse the following :
- She start this FL job before knowing you. So who doesn't have a skeleton hidden in some darkest corner or inside the closet? You are a saint yourself? Is what directions and decisions she make afterward that matters.
- You should have not insulted her. To be insulted by someone dearly really hurts. Sometime it will take forever for it to be erase or forgiven. But never forgotten.

I am a man myself coming 40s, is not easy!! I just finished my divorce 1 year ago after 9 years of marriage. She fallen for someone else, with constant SMS inside the toilet, going out weekend trips, been spotted with the same sport car ferry her around by my mother and buddies....that was afew years back. I do not want to go into the details becoz this thread is meant for you.

Just wanted you to know, when you forgive somebody, you are also giving yourself a chance to start a fresh.

[sean69]

I don't mind to be behind sometimes, and inspecting the morality actually :p



I love to be behind.. so that i can check out the ladies' ass!!!



Braddah if you are able to then follow your heart. Braddah it soounds like you still want to be with her but seek public approval from the Braddahs here. But Braddah, you dont need validation from anyone but your heart. Alright Braddah, keep us informed.

REG.. well said !! but i have a slightly different opinion..


TS, i think you have a lot of frustration and is seeking validation from us to breakup with her... obviously you can never let go of her past and if you plan to stay together, judging from your posts, it will too big a baggage for you to carry and it is not fair to her..

have a clean break.. in your heart, you probably think she is dirty and not worthy of you... from your posts, i would say you are also not worthy of her too...

like i always say, there are no saints in a sex forum... even the innocents, once they get in, they will be tainted and forever be corrupted!! ... so before you condemn her, please take a good look at yourself ...

[Mr_don_juan]

[QUOTE=Gaofar;6941812]Sigh... This is going to be a long one from me...
but soon I realised that I will simply not be able to take her for what she is and forget her past (especially when I was ALONG WITH her past...), and so I cut off all communication with her and leave her there..
Bro LA, as what many had said over here numerous times: it's really a matter of whether you can accept her or not for what she is. QUOTE]

Totally agreed with wat the bro say....

This will be the same advise for rocky r/s, affairs etc..it might be their fault initially.

Can you overcome the barrier? Accept, bury the past and never bring it up again. Can you do it?

There's only misery for both of u if accept on the surface but not in your heart.

If not, move on. It might be painful. However there's nothing that time can't heal. Nobody can ever help u if you do not walk out of the circle by urself.

There are many pasts.. bad ones as long you are human sure have.. just realise one thing that there is no perfect being in this world.. everyone make mistakes and move on..

Coming to your heart and soul, sometimes the pain is there if you unable to forget what she did in the past.. when you start to accept that both parties are not all perfect.. there start the healing process to realise and accept one another to make amends.. the past is gone and the future is there.. soon the happiness dwell in slowly but inevitably to create a happy future together to learn to love, to learn to live as one..

[qwertyuiop]

Forget about marrying whores. Once a whore, always a whore

Agree with sammyboyfor for the above, been through experiences like that and it's true. Out of a million, probably 1 case will be different.

It's true that a leopard will never change it's spots. :cool:

[LoveAffair]

Thanks all for the kind effort in replying. Read every single one of it.

[hotstuffm8]

trolololol

[qwertyuiop]

But i really hope u can take a little bit more effort in reading before posting......

TS,

qwertyuiop: My advice will be straight to the point so hope u won’t feel that it’s offensive. Probably u can take it with a pinch of salt ya?

But i really hope u can take a little bit more effort in reading before posting….
qwertyuiop: I suppose everyone reads it differently so have different opinions and will just be sharing their advice with u, it’s not offensive when I read it in a neutral manner.

I supposed I have mentioned that i initiate breaking up a couple of times….
qwertyuiop: Myself and most people I know have fallen into the same situation of breakup as your situation too. Sometimes, we just need to be firm on our decision even though it’s going to be heartbreaking. I’ve been through the same “lie” part which is hard to accept as I am a person who dislike liars too. So for this, I do understand deeply how u feel when being lied to. And, once a liar, always a liar.

“If u love her enough. let her go. If you couldnt do it for yourself at least do it for her.”
qwertyuiop: I did the above and really felt good after it happened. Everyone will be giving you advice to do it but it doesn’t mean they are forcing you, the ultimate decision lies in you in the end. You may not understand what the above sentence means for now, you will understand it in future when the time comes.

You sound like I wanted her so badly that I am tormenting her…..
qwertyuiop: Yes, you are tormenting not only her but also yourself. As for converting her to Christian, I have no comments on that.

And yes, I cannot accept her past. Mainly due to the big lie. If it happened before…..
qwertyuiop: Love her for who she is. If you cannot accept her past then there will definitely be an issue forever in this relationship. Anyway I’m not indicating that you are wrong by doing so, there’s really no right or wrong when it comes to relationship matters, it’s just a matter of different opinions. Human errs and she’s a human too. If this lie hurts u, it means it’s not going to turn out good. It’s always good to give a 2nd chance and observe from then onwards if the person lies anymore. I believe it’s good for 2 to sit down and discuss this “lie” issue together and comes to better negotiation for peace and happiness. But then again, you still have to be strong to get prepared should you be lied to again.

Here’s a question for you, have you ever ask her before this question “Why did she lied?”

We all have different point of view towards love. It's a complicated one there. Sometimes when u love someone enough, u changed for them…...
qwertyuiop: Yes, love is complicated. Changes in ourselves, I agree. But changing for the better of oneself or for the better of the others, it’s best to do for ownself. When you can change yourself ro the better, others will naturally see you good. No human should “change” for the sake of “another”. As for your insulting her, even though it’s because of the big lie, a verbal insult is still WRONG no matter what. Just apologise sincerely, as you are human and naturally you make mistakes too but that’s the “YOU” she should be accepting as well. As for whether you want to continue being a person who use verbal insult or change for the better, you decide, no one can change or force you.

I disagree to a certain extent when u said everything to date is about me…..
qwertyuiop: When a woman mention that “everything is about u” you really got to read carefully in between the lines and you will find the mystery of why the reason for the quote above.

And True to a smaller extent because I still find it hard to accept the fact that she got laid by NUMEROUS……..
qwertyuoip: Looking at matters in another perspective, let me ask, “Which girl nowadays doesn’t get laid numerous before she becomes your gf/wife etc?” There’s a lot of situation to a girl being laid numerous times. Being naïve? Met a lot of handsome tricky dudes? Family situation? Being naughty at young age? Being hurt by another relationship? And it goes on and on…..

I am indecisive on this till date…….
qwertyuiop: It takes time for both of you to get together naturally it’ll take time for both of you to get separated. It’s only a matter of time. U ask a few questions and I’ll answer in point form
-Her family doesn’t want you to leave doesn’t mean you can’t, it’s your decision, no one can force u
-Need not tell her past or show FRs as she have her dignity and those are already her PAST, to resolve a relationship need not use the devastating way unless due to unforeseen circumstances
-Last but not least, pls do not make hasty decision as rash decision will always result in SHE outcome. Ponder what “SHE” means? Take some time to figure out what it means. =)

Hope my 0.02 cents worth of advice (due to inflation) did not offend you in anyway. Please disregard my posting or you may request for me to remove it if you do feel so.

[Dzakomo]

To: LoveAffair

I had been in this exact situation before. At that time we were really happy. My girl was sleeping over at my place. I fell asleep too. But soon woken by a terrible dream, where i dreamt of her sleeping with my brother. In the middle of the night, i took her handphone and went to the toilet, checked her msgs. My suspicion was right. Even though the guy in her msgs was not my brother but it was terrible. I sat there, totally lost.

You need FIRST handle the feeling of betrayal and hurt. Remember don't be stuck in these feelings. Only after that will you KNOW if you still want her or not. Ask if are you also hurting and betraying yourself, by paying for FL.

When you truly feel good, you would pay SHIT to these women.

[wells]

Everybody has a sad past. Everyone deserves a second chance. , If you both love each other..go for it. Key - Forgive and Forget - Can you do that?

[limmeng]

Bro , whats past is already past.. if u still love her, always look on the brighter side.. forget the past... look into the future.. so that u will wont feel so depress...

[Coffeecans]

Hi Bro,

Looks like you actually had the answer all along (after reading all the replies). You can't and are not willing to put the past into history or even considering to try afresh.

To me I'm very sure she regrets the past but there is none she could do to erase that and if you think that its going to haunt you forever its worse for her, as she was the one who went through it and not yourself. She has given up a lot of things for you and changed for you. Put yourself in her shoes, if you were the woman what would you do? Is this a justification that FL cannot fall in love or be loved?

Sometimes in life, a little rain must fall.

She places a lot of devotion to you that like what some bros said, its very rare nowadays. I think sometimes you just need to think of fairness to her, though to me your answer is very very clear.

Your final decision is more skewed towards the breakup already then go for a clean break already. Though I know it will hurt her more than yourself. She is a lady and all she wanted was your love and affection.

No matter how much we would say to give you and herself a chance, your heart doesn't lie.

Just pouring out my gut feel bro. Hope you don't mind.

[stillgottheblue]

You go around bonking FL yet you cannot forget and move ahead when your partner wanted changed.

If you cannot take the truth, don't go around digging dirt. Even if you could handle it, this doesn't mean that you two will have a smooth sailing future.

Give it up, Time will heal...

I have a 3rd party for 10 years plus. We thought we cannot be apart but due to some circumstances and time apart. The hurt gets lesser and lesser and hurt turns into memories.

[Likeucare]

huh u r depressed? when u are married? now i pity yr poor wife if shes still ard