Whose fault?

[hornygreenhorn]

Recently my friend went to XTD ktv and sat with a PRC gal. After that my friend sent her home.My friend was supposed to send her up then go kack home but he ended up at her house they kissing and hugging, subsequently she bj for my friend and my friend asked her how much but she did not reply. Both of them then proceeded for fj and my friend managed to have 02 shots without asking the price as my friend thot maybe FOC. However after that she asked $200 + $50 tips but my friend refused to pay. She then threatened to call the police. My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble. Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

[wanderer23]

What actually happened you only heard your friend's side of the story. The way i see it $200 for 2 shots is not unreasonable. The gal did not demand like $1k or what that will be blackmail. Treat it as a lesson learnt then and ask clearly next time. She may not have heard it or may have replied but your friend in his throes of ecstasy have not heard it :p

[Horsepower]

In the entertainment world, there's no such thing as free lunch (there maybe rare exceptions). The girl set up your friend and then turn around to threaten for non-payment for the services. So take it as a lesson learnt. Ask the price first.

[Lustro]

inclusive of room charges oso wor. not bad price la. i presumed your frd havent pay for the tips at ktv yet to her too? if not how come she ask for $50 tips?if your freind already paid. then i felt she got abit problem to even have the cheek to ask for tips after service, she tink she asking for gst + service charge meh. LOL :D ... take it as a lesson to avoid any unhappy incidents like this next time lo. maybe wanna go back pee all over at her doorsteps if really not happy ba. j/k :p

[petercm888]

Sure yr fault lah> After minus the tips. $150 for 2 shoots included room. What you want to complain? I also want, do you friend mind to share the contact? :p

[evo3]

Your friend just know the XDT gal for a few hours, how can the gal dont charge your friend. Not unless your friend knows the gal for at least 5 mths or so than there is a good chance of getting a free bonk or maybe many free bonk from her.
Paying $200 + $50 tips is kind of cheap with 2 shots and somemore at the gal's home. Safe hotel charge somemore. Want to get free bonk not said cant but must go there and find her more often than the chance is there.

[newyorker88]

Count your friend lucky. 2 shots for 150. The gals could have asked for more. He should have nego first. as a rule of thumb. To think that you pick up a gal in a KTV, what you expect, FOC? Then all the FL and WL all die liao.

An advice, before any action, do ask properly first., Hopes this helps

Good DAy ;)

[dt3305]

To avoid such thing, next time clarify with the gal first. Tips is $50/- for the "entertainment show" in the room...anything else need to negoitate...if your friend not happy, ask him to complain to mamasan..but$200 for 2 shots plus free room is reasonable...just beware PRC not very clean as they very hiong...they just want to earn fast money...you should see them entertaining from one room to another and never bother to clean up after their last act...

once occassion, a Viet gal sat with my friend but did not "entertain" like the rest of the gals and still ask for $50/-, we call in the mamasan...and the gal kenna scolding...end up not getting a single cent...if the gal always butterfly, you can complain also...one thing good abt XTD is the mamasan PR is good and customer is always right...

[hornygreenhorn]

Aiya my friend at that point of time maybe too gian song liao. Just want have fj with her. After cum 02 times liao then more awake then realised so expensive. He learnt his lesson liao...... :o I also told him before that it is impossible to have free bonk after first meeting. Maybe that day he too horny liao so his mind cannot think. ;)

[Horsepower]

Aiya my friend at that point of time maybe too gian song liao. Just want have fj with her. After cum 02 times liao then more awake then realised so expensive. He learnt his lesson liao...... :o
$250 to bonk a ktv ger 2 rounds include saving on the hotel is ok. It is unlikely you get FOC from a ktv ger when meeting for the first time. Me also bonk ktv ger b4 without talk money, but later she ask me bring her buy SK2 cosmetic, which can cost a few hundreds.

[t123]

$250 to bonk a ktv ger 2 rounds include saving on the hotel is ok. It is unlikely you get FOC from a ktv ger when meeting for the first time. Me also bonk ktv ger b4 without talk money, but later she ask me bring her buy SK2 cosmetic, which can cost a few hundreds.

I told you lor, PRC not so gulliable one. I agree she dun take money from you maybe from others, so she can have diff people for diff needs. One for eating at restaurant, One for cosmetic supplies, one for financial support, etc. neber ending one.

[Horsepower]

I told you lor, PRC not so gulliable one. I agree she dun take money from you maybe from others, so she can have diff people for diff needs. One for eating at restaurant, One for cosmetic supplies, one for financial support, etc. neber ending one.
One ask me buy her a Louis Vutton bag @ $1.4k. Siao !

[dap26]

Me also experience before.Went to the hotel she stay after she called me.Tat time thinking is ho say liao cos maybe can get free bonk.She nv mention the price at the beginning and i also keep quiet.After the bonk she smile and ask $100 from me.In the end lan lan pay her.Bro shld ask the price before bonk.A lesson learnt!

[dan8899]

I agree that there is no free lunch and you should expect to pay for service.

However, i am curious. The girl threatened to call the police.

Won't she get into trouble as well for illegal prostitution?

[dt3305]

Just keep in mind the basic rule.

We cheong, we happy, we pay , we forget...no strings attached. Don't dream of free bonk from KTV gals...it will not happen...and don't be a Robert going out with them...they will squeeze you till you dry...money that is and not your sperm!

[newbadass]

Both parties are at fault.

The girl is at fault for being sly. Business ethics demands that these details need to be ironed out in advance.

Your friend is at fault for overestimating himself. It would take a seriously skilful guy to get an FOC bonk right from the first meeting. Either that, or the girl has to be drunk or very naive.

But that's OK... there are seasoned chiongsters around who still make that mistake when dealing with PRCs. A seasoned Viet chiongster, for example, may be used to the Viet way of communicating (no mention of $$ means FOC) and thus make that error when dealing with a PRC.

Your friend got off easy. He has nothing to complain about other than a bruised ego. At least he had the money and paid up. I know of guys who humiliated themselves by assuming the bonk would be free and then had no money to pay later on. :eek:

[Rof|maoxz]

....However after that she asked $200 + $50 tips but my friend refused to pay. She then threatened to call the police. My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble. Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

One case study, 2 scenarios. If your friend is satisfied with her services, 2 shots + tips @ $200 is worth the tag. If he wanna play tough, he still need to pay, amount as he wish. She provides service to you, no doubt he can't siam the one lah. But if the girl wanna shout rape or report him to the police, the charge will not stand because, both adult are >16yo, there is no evidence of force entry at her residence and the girl is not drunk at the moment. But to avoid such inconvenience, I think pay her as she requested.

To prevent such incident from happening, ask before the activities start. Give her a +++en even she has not asked for it. If asking spoils her mood, den give her a good headstart!! :)

[newbadass]

Won't she get into trouble as well for illegal prostitution?

No, she won't. There was no soliciting involved. Prositution by itself is legal.
She would, however, get into trouble if it were revealed she was working. Assuming she does not have a valid work permit.

Of course, the guy would have to put up with being investigated by the police, etc etc.
Please correct me if any of my legal points are wrong.

[dt3305]

From a legal stand point, the guy will not likely be charged even if the KTV gal cry rape but be prepared to go through hell of an investigation and your family and friends will comes to know. The main point here is:

a. Was there consent given under a reasonable state of mind and not under intoxication?
b. Was force, threat used and personal freedom was restricted?
c. Was there a money transaction agreed upon?

The gal's working background is inmaterial as even a prostitute can cry rape and pple had gone to jail for that!

If the police investigation cannot prove the case beyond reasonable doubt, they will release you but they may refer for trial in court, where the newspaper will likely report the case. You stand 50/50 to win the case. You must prove:

a. there was consent
b. circumstances leading to the event
c. attack the gals's character and background(leave it to lawyer to do that)

So if wanna save all the trouble, just pay and leave. PRC gals are nasty and cunning. Negoitate and pay. If moentary transaction took place, you don't have to worry she cry rape. If she use it to threaten her, make a police report and whack her back. Know your rights and how the law works.

[t123]

So if wanna save all the trouble, just pay and leave. PRC gals are nasty and cunning. Negoitate and pay. If moentary transaction took place, you don't have to worry she cry rape. If she use it to threaten her, make a police report and whack her back. Know your rights and how the law works.

I agree, no point. Just treat it like bad luck and dun patronise again. That's what I did with Joyful HC, haven't returned for a year. Black Joint man. :mad:

[Lustro]

I know of guys who humiliated themselves by assuming the bonk would be free and then had no money to pay later on. :eek:


yeah, that kinda senario sure sucks. imagine having to call up frds to help pay for your bonking fee infront of the gal.

there is a chance you can 'kill' your prey without using any bullets.But never engage yourself on the prey before you count your bullets. always make sure you have enough at least to pay her the market price to avoid any complications later. ;)

[durex]

Know few hours onli very rare case can get foc one lah,maybe andy lau look can help,but who knows andy lau go cheong also thought got foc one than end up paying,is your friend andy lau :p

[blower]

Actually, it's God's fault...His fault for giving us a bro whose head's thicker than our head. Also, God's fault for taking the bone out of us and creating the one with a cunt to torment us, and making our little bro lose control...Hehehe...Sorry, just joking...

Anyway, that's why I don't go to such places...head up there says no money, head of bro says who cares...so, better wise up and listen to the one up there...

[Lowell]

well......you really can't expect anything for free can you....

for me if there's a possibility of such an encounter, i always negotiate price first.

[VBScripts]

Aiya my friend at that point of time maybe too gian song liao. Just want have fj with her. After cum 02 times liao then more awake then realised so expensive. He learnt his lesson liao...... :o I also told him before that it is impossible to have free bonk after first meeting. Maybe that day he too horny liao so his mind cannot think.


Brother, NO offence to your friend in the 1st place, if your friend just want to have FOC fuck to a ger he know just for a few hours, I think this is uncalled for. Do spare a tot for the poor ger who come all the way here to earn $$$. So long as the deal is fair; $200 for 2 shots the price is very reasonable, there’s nothing to complaint about lor. I am not sure, may be this ger is new here and that’s why she invited him to her room, normally these gers are sharing an apartment......a little doubts to me........... :confused:

For foc, unless both know each other for sometime and have developed “kum Jing” (feelings) but even then I would not want to take advantage for foc fuck, I would still return her something in kind if she refuses to take my cash. At lease my conscious is clear that I don’t owe her anything. I always believe there’s no free lunch.

Just my opinion...........

[owen10]

legally i would thk yr friend bo sala as there was no offer n acceptance. hence there was no deal at all.

BUT if d gal play punk, twist ard d story in police stn say she kana molested n raped by yr fren, he could get into a very very sticky situation which may rule against his favour. not worth it, with all d courtroom fighting n d stress that he n his family will face. :mad:

[groo]

...BUT if d gal play punk, twist ard d story in police stn say she kana molested n raped by yr fren, he could get into a very very sticky situation which may rule against his favour. not worth it, with all d courtroom fighting n d stress that he n his family will face...Yes, for $250, it's too sticky to go to court - trust me, it's goddammed frustrating!

Even if the girl kept quiet, silence doesn't mean consent - no such thing as a free lunch or supper in this case, especially when you're dealing with a PRC. To get her attention, maybe tell her you dun have any more money. :p

But if lust took over and then gong-gong kena "blackmailed" by her, then fetched her to an ATM far far away, pay her and then ask her to take a cab home... Hehheh, midnight charge inclusive!!! :D

[otur]

as wat many bros hv mentioned, the $$ yr fren paid for the service he get is reasonable. maybe ur fren newbie dunno market so he sim tia tia la. i encounter few similar occasions tt gal didnt wanna talk abt price at 1st. but i just let them noe i didnt hv too much cash with me. n for all the few occasions they are happy with wat i finally give them. ranging fr 80,90 to 120.
at least remeber to tell them b4 the action tt u dont have much cash with u. if they are calculative abt $$, they will ask u howmuch u hv liao.....
try this. it works.

[dap26]

at least remeber to tell them b4 the action tt u dont have much cash with u. if they are calculative abt $$, they will ask u howmuch u hv liao.....
try this. it works.



At least they knw yr limit and maybe they also dun charge so high.The best thing is ask before bonk.

[packardbell]

What actually happened you only heard your friend's side of the story. The way i see it $200 for 2 shots is not unreasonable. The gal did not demand like $1k or what that will be blackmail. Treat it as a lesson learnt then and ask clearly next time. She may not have heard it or may have replied but your friend in his throes of ecstasy have not heard it :p.

Brudder, u r rite and hit exactly on the target. His fren never tell him the
exact side of the story. I have been cheonigng > 20 years. Have not in my
life heard that prc gal dare to call the police unless she is really on dead-end
that she rather call the police the end up with the consequence that she
pretty sure that she will be sent back to china regardless she won or lost
a case like this. I think the gal is merely asking for a compensation and
$200 consider reasonable and oso a cheap lesson to learn.

[junction88]

.....Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

等到猪被宰才谈价钱 ......Wait till the pig being slaugted and talk about the price........is a bit too late.

I had many encountered with masseuse coming to my room service, when ask about the price, they also say, any thing lar, i like you....all the bullshit.....you think i would believed her ? I would reply, if I give you $10 would you be happy and accept it ? since you say any thing...........then she say; I though you are season cheogster and would give me maket rate....haha.....what is maket rate ? who set market rate ? does she live up to the market rate ?? ....

Lesson learn, you need to ask before proceed....avoid all the troubles.....if refused to pay, some times they will get ggangster go after you....just cheong with the safe side..................enjoyed...

cheer

[hornygreenhorn]

Actually my frd is at fault oso lah. He so gian song till forget to nego the price first. My friend told me that the prc holds a valid work permit working dun know whr lah.

[SexFreak]

Actually my frd is at fault oso lah. He so gian song till forget to nego the price first. My friend told me that the prc holds a valid work permit working dun know whr lah.

I dun think the PRC gal is holding any Work Permit as to the best of my knowledge, no PRC Gal would be allowed to work in KTV or Night Clubs (MOM's regulations).

As for your friend's encounter, just take it easy lah. (1 X BJ) + (2 X FJ) = $200 = Very Cheap liao, somemore no room charge. This is a lesson that all of us should learn, ask 1st before being asked.

[chickenzip]

One ask me buy her a Louis Vutton bag @ $1.4k. Siao !

if i'm u...i will buy the $30 one. :D

[sadfa]

However after that she asked $200 + $50 tips but my friend refused to pay. She then threatened to call the police. My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble.

bro,

your fren is u har? lol!
anyway 200 + 50 is quite the standard. little bro also got pay same rate.
some more he got to do it at her place n got 2 shots.

[sadfa]

Both parties are at fault.

The girl is at fault for being sly. Business ethics demands that these details need to be ironed out in advance.

Your friend is at fault for overestimating himself. It would take a seriously skilful guy to get an FOC bonk right from the first meeting. Either that, or the girl has to be drunk or very naive.


bro,

1. not that impossible to get foc after 1st meeting. depend on many factors.
2. girl is not necessary sly. if the guy made sure he need not pay n bonk her, he got nothing to fear. if she wants money, he can turn around n say becos u never say anything, i dont have money leh!

[mahalosux]

FOC = Fcuk On Credit

cheers! :)

[mahalosux]

My friend told me that the prc holds a valid work permit working dun know whr lah.

now quite common liao lah... alot of agent/ headhunter help gals by using a company to apply a 'bogus' work permit for these gals, and up front they pay S$8-10k, so tat they can stay here 1-2 yrs to work in KTV/ TN / FL industry...

[groo]

now quite common liao lah... alot of agent/ headhunter help gals by using a company to apply a 'bogus' work permit for these gals, and up front they pay S$8-10k, so tat they can stay here 1-2 yrs to work in KTV/ TN / FL industry...That's right, ever since the garmen (ya-men) relaxed the rules earlier this year for the manufacturing industries, there's been a huge influx of PRC office workers here...

[swing123]

My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble. Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

this definitely is the PRC's fault - pass me her contact number, i will try to reason with her :D

[WWEF]

this definitely is the PRC's fault - pass me her contact number, i will try to reason with her :D
Nice try...

[KOJAD]

Recently my friend went to XTD ktv and sat with a PRC gal. After that my friend sent her home.My friend was supposed to send her up then go kack home but he ended up at her house they kissing and hugging, subsequently she bj for my friend and my friend asked her how much but she did not reply. Both of them then proceeded for fj and my friend managed to have 02 shots without asking the price as my friend thot maybe FOC. However after that she asked $200 + $50 tips but my friend refused to pay. She then threatened to call the police. My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble. Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

Scenario:

A simple transaction involving a willing buyer & a willing seller. d transaction was signed, sealed n delivered w/out payment terms. In d beginning, buyer knew tat he have to pay & seller purposely did not quote the price assuming d transaction as a common market practice. Finally, d buyer settled at a discount to d market price. CASE CLOSED. No big deal.

Question: What can he do whn he came across dis kind of nonsense thing again?

if he do not learn a lesson and walk in d so called 'nonsense thing' again --
Verdict: He deserve for it.

Advice:

Say, if he meet a gal on d street, bonked FOC. d gal can show up and wait for him in front of his house daily, hmmmm......may b ask him to bonk again.
So, he prefer : pay or dun pay.

Who's fault?


Hv fun and cheers. :D

[ah huathuat]

bros, just remember that nothing is free in this world! if u want to "song" especially with a prc, then u got to pay her...

[nehnehpok]

Recently my friend went to XTD ktv and sat with a PRC gal. After that my friend sent her home.My friend was supposed to send her up then go kack home but he ended up at her house they kissing and hugging, subsequently she bj for my friend and my friend asked her how much but she did not reply. Both of them then proceeded for fj and my friend managed to have 02 shots without asking the price as my friend thot maybe FOC. However after that she asked $200 + $50 tips but my friend refused to pay. She then threatened to call the police. My friend then LL gave her $200 as he is afraid that ltr he will ended in police station and he also dun want to have so much trouble. Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

1stly, i honestly think that ur friend didn't get ripped off. 2 shots for the price of $200 was in fact quite a good deal considering she was a PRC frm XTD... please la, what ur friend expect? If he wants cheap fucks then he shld go places like desker, petain, or those $40 geylang fucks...

2ndly, even if ur friend wants to be a bastard n refuse to pay the $200, i m sure she oso lan lan. ur friend really think tat he'll kana end up in police lockup meh? she probably more scared of the police than ur friend... but my advise is never try to be bastards cos these gals really work hard to earn $ so they should be paid for their services...

lastly, from ur fr, i guess tat u n ur friend should be greenhorns. my advice is to do more research on the prices before going around fucking. good thing is that ur friend didn't get conned but instead got a fair deal...

[KOJAD]

1stly, i honestly think that ur friend didn't get ripped off. 2 shots for the price of $200 was in fact quite a good deal considering she was a PRC frm XTD... please la, what ur friend expect? If he wants cheap fucks then he shld go places like desker, petain, or those $40 geylang fucks...

2ndly, even if ur friend wants to be a bastard n refuse to pay the $200, i m sure she oso lan lan. ur friend really think tat he'll kana end up in police lockup meh? she probably more scared of the police than ur friend... but my advise is never try to be bastards cos these gals really work hard to earn $ so they should be paid for their services...

lastly, from ur fr, i guess tat u n ur friend should be greenhorns. my advice is to do more research on the prices before going around fucking. good thing is that ur friend didn't get conned but instead got a fair deal...



Bingo!!!!! :) :)

[mahalosux]

That's right, ever since the garmen (ya-men) relaxed the rules earlier this year for the manufacturing industries, there's been a huge influx of PRC office workers here...

yeah loh....in the end oni the agent/ headhunter aka blood sucker win.... :(

[junction88]

.... Any bros here can advised whose fault is it? My friend or the gal? What can he do when he came across this kind of nonsense thing again? Pls advise,thks.

Bro, no offending hor !
Actually, yr frenz not oni greenhorn, also veri hand-gun. 活在福中不知福.

This is a fair and good deal.......what else to worry or complained man .
So what, if your frenz think that the prc gal is at fault ?? Ask for refund meh ???

In reality, both parties are at faults...The gal didn't stated the price and your frenz didn't ask for the price, that's where the problem came from.......clear cut case man...bro, ask yr frenz read all the post, he would feel much much better.

Let me give you one classic example;
You went to Sims Dr and saw this durain man wave at you......Ah兄. lai lai ! shi pei huo....grantee 独供....100 巴仙包食.....lai yah lai yah....no good to eat don't have to pay.....wow lan...sound so good....so you sit down beside their table......veri soon. he weight two durians opened and served on your table, some more give you two bottles of Avian waters......you eat shoik shoik...after you finished....then you ask....hi, brother....kui 镭 ?? Ok, 朋友 朋友, 算你便宜.....after discount...kela...kela....80 dollars.....singapore dollars hor......you proberly would shoutted ...WHAT....你有笑mo.......if you don't pay up!!!......Have you even see a fly durain ????

Is'nt this quite similar sinario.........So the moral of the story is ask the $ before they open the durian...... check the price .....b4 you f..k the gal...

Luckily she didn't ask for $400 or more, this kind of PRC gals always got pimp behind them to protect them, I am sure b4 your frenz went to her place he oredi exchanged tel nos with her right ? if he didn't pay up, can lead to many nightmare...consequences.......

Some years back, when I sponsored my gf from china and end up she bring few gals in as well, at the end I have to act tough and rub shoulder with GL gangster since some of the gals want to work there.....I am not realy affraid of any things just don't want to exposed myself in the papers if anythings happen.....worry like f**k for all the gals I bring in....

Looking at the response it generated, so many pples are envy and 流口水, some even ask to have her nos and try to help you to 出头 ???? Don't noe real or bluf.

Becos it is a good deals, that why you get some many attention to your post.

Don't worry and be happy...

cheer !!