Re- launch of the forum

[sammyboyfor]

Based upon the avalanche of bad publicity over the last week regarding the content of the site, it is pretty obvious that this forum cannot carry on in its present form. The establishment has turned against it. There is no point going against the grain.

I envisaged a relaxing of rules and regulations as Singapore developed as a Nation. Instead, social pressures have brought things to a different sort of head.

While it will stay true to the theme of sexuality, I'll have to come up with some way of making more palatable to the community so that it becomes grudgingly accepted rather than openly condemned.

It will also become more diversified geographically.

While I've got my thinking cap on, any inputs from others will be appreciated.

[Hokage]

Hope you don't change it too much but we understand something has to be done to ensure the forum's survival.

The okts banner ads could be toned down to make them look like social escort ads or better still, place them all in a members only section. Fr's, prices, contacts and all related info can only be found in this exclusive section. The rest of the forum can remain as it is with some tweaks.Cheers.

[clustertrinket]

Whatever changes are implemented, we need to have the FL Domes or some equivalent where OKTs can advertise their services. FLs form a vital component of our lives.

Since whore adverisements is one of the main grouses, I have some possile solutions:

(a) make them private folders, accessible to only paying members, or members with a certain number of rep points, or members who are > 3 months registered, or any member who satisfies at least one of the above criteria.

Purpose is that any guests or new member who logs in cannot view it, and so there is no basis for public outrage against these folders. That is how public outrage works - what cannot be easiily seen will be easily forgotten

The downside is that OKTs will suffer a drop in business. But this is better than having NO outlet for the OKT to advertise. OKTs can compensate by developing their own websites and by telling their regulars to visit the websites in case the FL Domes are shut down.

(b) do the same for pictures and videos folders,

(c) have active community volunteers who report objectionable content to you. These community volunteers can be rewarded in some way, like through free premium membership. You are creative - think of a way to recruit and reward volunteers.

[clustertrinket]

I would like to reiterate ... ... local FLs are very vital to some of us. The loca FL Dome must be preserved.

[sammyboyfor]

I would like to reiterate ... ... local FLs are very vital to some of us. The loca FL Dome must be preserved.

The best way to make the local FLs legal is to ensure that they advertise direct and not through a Pimp because it is the pimp that turns the whole deal sceptic

There are a few examples in the local section. Most know who they are.

[lovestobonk]

Based upon the avalanche of bad publicity over the last week regarding the content of the site, it is pretty obvious that this forum cannot carry on in its present form. The establishment has turned against it. There is no point going against the grain.

I envisaged a relaxing of rules and regulations as Singapore developed as a Nation. Instead, social pressures have brought things to a different sort of head.

While it will stay true to the theme of sexuality, I'll have to come up with some way of making more palatable to the community so that it becomes grudgingly accepted rather than openly condemned.

It will also become more diversified geographically.

While I've got my thinking cap on, any inputs from others will be appreciated.

what are the changes? is it going to be a complete overhaul of the site?

and what will happen to the long-time members and their power / reps?

[sammyboyfor]

what are the changes? is it going to be a complete overhaul of the site?

and what will happen to the long-time members and their power / reps?

No change in the membership database at all. This forum has been labelled as depraved because a few rotten eggs spoiled it for all of us.

It has also been a breeding ground for PRC operators and their blatant stupidity like operating out of HDB estates and then making a scene when they are caught. The problem is not caused by this forum but it has been branded as the facilitator of these outrageous activities which shock even me!

So the idea would be to get rid of these labels by presenting a more wholesome appearance.. if that is at all possible in a sex forum. :p

[IamZapped]

Will this move bring down the price of local pussy?

The best way to make the local FLs legal is to ensure that they advertise direct and not through a Pimp because it is the pimp that turns the whole deal sceptic

There are a few examples in the local section. Most know who they are.

[sammyboyfor]

Will this move bring down the price of local pussy?

I have no idea. I am not a pimp I'm a forum operator. :D

[IamZapped]

Why don't you start a poll to collect feedback on your initiative?

[sammyboyfor]

Why don't you start a poll to collect feedback on your initiative?

Because polls tell me nothing.

What I need is ideas.

[FishyPartner]

No to poll. Just improve kaizan style. And the change has to be now. Otherwise it becomes too little too late. Every so often a house needs spring cleaning and at this critical moment it has to be now. We Mickey Mouse the site. Just like a casino can be called a resort with its family themes, we can call ourselves a "child friendly" site that filter the undesirables, the siginas, and pretenders.

Call a spade a spade is no longer relevant in our situation. We do not live in a pluralistic society. Pretending to be a sterilised country rid of "harmful" pathogens we disinfect the society, not understanding in so doing, we rid our guts of a broad flora of microbiota that make the 'body' strong.

We have already know what to do, we need the will to carry out the change to move to the next decade with confidence. The pressure need not be negative if we can manage the chaos from within. If the wheel ain't broke, don't fix it. We just need to throw out the few clutters that have overstayed their presence. We have only to address the objections presented before us and reorganise the site into a clean mean fighting mAchine. What is the future forward ? It is the here and now. We address the threats and provide reasons for our existence. And at this moment, we don't need more noises to strain our ability to make informed decisions. So please take your nonsense elsewhere. If you got nothing constructive to say..shut up.

[LeeHsienLoong]

It has also been a breeding ground for PRC operators and their blatant stupidity like operating out of HDB estates and then making a scene when they are caught. The problem is not caused by this forum but it has been branded as the facilitator of these outrageous activities which shock even me!

I agree this forum is a breeding platform for PRC operators, or in fact, for any pimp.
Being labelled as a facilitator of these outrageous activities is a topic which is subjective and can be viewed from various directions.

[handsome123]

Make it like the HK forums.. Mix in guides for makan Forums etc and ensure that people sign a above 18 proof when venturing to the adult sites..

[sammyboyfor]

Make it like the HK forums.. Mix in guides for makan Forums etc and ensure that people sign a above 18 proof when venturing to the adult sites..

That's what lak saboy.org did but it has still been banned. :rolleyes:

Singapore society is not like HK society which has been producing quality x rated movies for a long, long time.

A "i swear on the bible that i am 18 and over" pop up is nothing more than a joke and does nothing.

[clustertrinket]

The best way to make the local FLs legal is to ensure that they advertise direct and not through a Pimp because it is the pimp that turns the whole deal sceptic

There are a few examples in the local section. Most know who they are.


I don't really agree. Not many FLs know how to deal with the avalanche of people who will contact them just to waste time, fish for information, or even harass them. That's the reason why escort agencies like Ambassador thrived for so long, and why upstarts like Johnny have become entrenched. The middle man provides discretion for *both* parties.

Only a minority of escorts/FLs are comfy venturing out on their own.

[morrissey1209]

Allow the sex forum content to be only accessible to existing members. New members who sign up have to agree to a set of terms and conditions before they are allowed to sign up. Boss will have to think about what these conditions are.

Some of the existing content can be placed in the public interface. Content like football discussion for instance.

Most drastic action maybe to change name of the forum or change location of servers (ala the pirate bay). In such a case, simply send a broadcast to all existing members of the change. You may impose the same T&C on us as the new sign ups (suggested earlier) just to cover the forum's back.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

Boss I hate to say it but the pimps in this forum are creating the heat for you. Look this forum has been around since 2001 and those stupid cops knows about this forum for a long time, likewise the media also not that bodoh as we want to think them to be. But why so much attention lately, if you look back it all related to those pimps. And really the rep system has outlived itself. People are more obssess about getting points than putting in a good FR. The spirit of sharing is also gone.

Perhaps one of the way to really control this forum is to restrict the membership cos now any tom dick and harry can sign up do a few post here and there and cost damage. Membership should be restricted to recommendation from current members only and this members must have already been in the forum for x number of years or have attained certain rep points. And may I suggest for each member recommended it will be deducted off the rep pts of the recommending member. At least there is some good use for the points.

[002nabe]

Need to tone down on The Sammyboy link/Picture exchange Plaza, altho I enjoyed it very much but the sniping pics has been drawing a lot of media attention lately.:(

[SQ2600]

Kick out and ban the PRC OKTs. They are the main magnets for the authorities. By keeping them here their shit sure to spillover to us and Boss gets the blame.

[ilovefucking]

FL should advertise themselves without OKT involvement.

[clustertrinket]

Kick out and ban the PRC OKTs. They are the main magnets for the authorities. By keeping them here their shit sure to spillover to us and Boss gets the blame.

On this score I agree. The other OKTs play fair by and large, with the bad hats being exceptional.

The PRC OKTs are the black sheep. Again, it is China nationals who are screwing SIngaporeans. Kick the PRC OKTs out so that loca, Thai and other nationalities can survive.

That is only fair to cheogsters

[knilon]

Boss I hate to say it but the pimps in this forum are creating the heat for you. Look this forum has been around since 2001 and those stupid cops knows about this forum for a long time, likewise the media also not that bodoh as we want to think them to be. But why so much attention lately, if you look back it all related to those pimps. And really the rep system has outlived itself. People are more obssess about getting points than putting in a good FR. The spirit of sharing is also gone.

Perhaps one of the way to really control this forum is to restrict the membership cos now any tom dick and harry can sign up do a few post here and there and cost damage. Membership should be restricted to recommendation from current members only and this members must have already been in the forum for x number of years or have attained certain rep points. And may I suggest for each member recommended it will be deducted off the rep pts of the recommending member. At least there is some good use for the points.

really true bro. i thought of my rep points when i post my FR.

So we tend to avoid bad FR experiences after visiting as we know will be group zapped by OKTs.

Also, i did share a wechat contact in the FL2 dome but got suspected advertising by one of the moderators. well the contact wasn't in any of the posts and aren't we suppose to share contacts in this forum? i thought that was the initial reason why the forum is created. ended up agreeing in deleting the thread. thereafter i didnt bother to share any FL finds anymore.

Hope there is a better system to rebuilt the good old times.

Thanks for taking the initiative to revamp the forum.

[sleepygordon]

Move the forum into the Tor network.

[hoian]

Perhaps can seek funding from Playboy Foundation. :rolleyes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Foundation

[LastApril]

There are tonnes of sites with FLs advertising their services.

Boss, if you ban all FLs from these site, the FLs and the customers will simply go other forums.

If you can stomach the loss of advertising revenue in exchange for your safety of not breaking laws, by all means go ahead and ban FL advertisements.

[moderated]

Zap at FL dome should have limit. Example not more than 3 points per zap and not more than 3 zaps per post.

[IwantbustyKim]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/250x250/54450004.jpg

[Big_sam]

I think this is the time where by power/premium comes into play. Why not restrict members with lower power ( than 4 or 5) from accessing FL dome.

In that way we might be able to restrict the amount of unwanted audience from browsing it and at the same time reduce the amount of new FL OKT if they do not pay for premium. Then apply some terms & condition even if they pay for premium just to advertise.

For me the link exchange thread is a big headache, there's almost no way to filter every single thread that members post.. If we are going to keep it then we can only notify every member that they will be held liable for posting underage or perv illegal upskirt stuff openly in the forum. If the member posted the stuff unknowingly, admin will issue a warning for member to take down the link in 24 hours time else member will be held liable for their actions. Perhaps a member can have quota for such mistakes in a year depending on his/her power.

[joejoewonsg]

Guys, come on lar,

It is the Upskirt sniping lar,

See this community grow anot? More n more decent young men turn to this sick hobby.

As the community grew, these ppl think its like a sport, hobby or even a NORM!

When someone speak against it, like me, the MOB turn on these "hypocrites"

See, even district judge state this in the papers.

Ppl like kenny34 is making this whole scene sick, see how he openly declares he took these snipes?

SO much audacity and stupidity in it. What gleneagle what duno other what fuck upskirt heroes. Dafuq!!!

I have personally caught a sniper in a mall few years back. Now I trying to catch this TENNIS GEAR SNIPER I saw in the east.


the papers also mentioned a few times the worrying stats of increasing upskirt offenders, and the recent 2 teens sniping for SBF points.

Can u all wake up and see the REAL PROBLEM? OKT or no OKT, prostitution is the oldest profession and I dont see these OKT r the main reason.

[postmortem]

I think this is the time where by power/premium comes into play. Why not restrict members with lower power ( than 4 or 5) from accessing FL dome.





Agree but premium members should be able to access FL dome regardless of power.

[funb]

Either the moderators of this forum place more restriction in this forum (self censorship). For example post with photo and links will need to be approved by a mod before it can be posted. This will help filter away those termed "undesirable" content by the local authority but this need quite a lot of manpower . I think gradually forum users also will reduce photo and links posting and back to basic of text information.

Or another options is do nothing at all... start educating forum users to use VPN or proxy server to bypass whatever ban or censorship that can happen in the future. Those who cannot learn or too lazy to learn, too bad ...

[kuah81]

Time to rename the forum.

[Triple70]

This current govt expects all stakeholders to contribute to NATION BUILDING. There are many ways to contribute to nation building. This current govt adopts a very conservative approach, while this website has a more liberal approach.

The current sentiment is not about the PRC OKTS at HDB, but about the underage sex case and the upskirt court cases, which in a short span of time, contributed to a large number of court cases, and the civil servant workload. Imagine if my performance bonus is based on KPIs and the caseload spiked, I would have done no different from them.

I don’t think the issue is with the website contents, but more about the ppl who patronise this site. To improve the situation, I recommend the following actions.

1. Contribute towards nation building, and not just satisfying individual fetishes. OKTs at HDB, trading in unregistered SIM CARDS or sammyboy IDs, Grinding axes, personal attacks, are activities that is not consistent with nation building, and should not be tolerated. This is a great opportunity for this website to shape Singapore culture, the way it should be.

2. Even illegal casinos do not allow weirdos to shit on their front doors and mess things up, so why does this website tolerate members who simply have no system discipline? Every society has culture and ground rules, this forum should be no different. Enforcement action should be taken to promote a certain SBF version of a “nation building” culture. Why tolerate a few bad hats bent on destroying a Singapore heritage. There is nothing wrong with embracing diversity and liberalism, but we still need ground rules.

3. Personally, I think a SMS registration system is useful, but I am not sure if this is in line with forum objectives.

This forum has contributed greatly towards my life since the Delphi forum days. Hope my kids can benefit from this forum too.

[sammyboyfor]

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The current sentiment is not about the PRC OKTS at HDB, but about the underage sex case and the upskirt court cases, which in a short span of time, contributed to a large number of court cases, and the civil servant workload. Imagine if my performance bonus is based on KPIs and the caseload spiked, I would have done no different from them.

The latest case is about some guy who was advertising on behalf of prostitutes and taking a cut. I'm trying to figure out a way of ensuring that the girls advertise directly with no middleman to criminalise the process.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

There are tonnes of sites with FLs advertising their services.

Boss, if you ban all FLs from these site, the FLs and the customers will simply go other forums.

If you can stomach the loss of advertising revenue in exchange for your safety of not breaking laws, by all means go ahead and ban FL advertisements.

The site began in the spirit of sharing good fr and good fls get their income through here by word of mouth . That how its flourish, I have came across countless fls, locals or prc, who having heard of SBF and requested for a good fr so that they have more clients. They didn't even have to leave a finger to come in and write up a cv of themselves. But gone are those days,
the pimps comes in write up fake fr and post fake pics.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

The latest case is about some guy who was advertising on behalf of prostitutes and taking a cut. I'm trying to figure out a way of ensuring that the girls advertise directly with no middleman to criminalise the process.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

But boss even if FL deals directly by putting ad, they still consider solicitiing. At least we must have a system where all stake holders are protected. For pimps, like what some bro suggest, either you banned them completely or make money off them by charging them a high premium to put up their ad.

[kuah81]

True true you are very true

The latest case is about some guy who was advertising on behalf of prostitutes and taking a cut. I'm trying to figure out a way of ensuring that the girls advertise directly with no middleman to criminalise the process.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

[kuah81]

ban the pimps

But boss even if FL deals directly by putting ad, they still consider solicitiing. At least we must have a system where all stake holders are protected. For pimps, like what some bro suggest, either you banned them completely or make money off them by charging them a high premium to put up their ad.

[sammyboyfor]

Ok I've thought things over and it is pretty obvious that the site is not welcome by the general population of Singapore anymore. The abuse by the press is unrelenting.

My strategy therefore will be to shift out of Singapore borders and concentrate on marketing in other Asian countries.

The busiest websites of any genre always end up as the whipping boys by the authorities to be made an example of. Eg thepiratebay.org is repeatedly targeted while other torrent sites get away scott free.

If I am not welcome, I will depart. However, I'll select a core group of long term samsters plus paying members and give them access via my private vpn.

[69Sniper]

If I am not welcome, I will depart. However, I'll select a core group of long term samsters plus paying members and give them access via my private vpn.



brudder boss, pls dun leave us all.......:eek::(

[Frankiestine]

Ok I've thought things over and it is pretty obvious that the site is not welcome by the general population of Singapore anymore. The abuse by the press is unrelenting.

My strategy therefore will be to shift out of Singapore borders and concentrate on marketing in other Asian countries.

The busiest websites of any genre always end up as the whipping boys by the authorities to be made an example of. Eg thepiratebay.org is repeatedly targeted while other torrent sites get away scott free.

If I am not welcome, I will depart. However, I'll select a core group of long term samsters plus paying members and give them access via my private vpn.
Whatever your decision we respect boss, end of the day its your site.

[exge]

why not setup 2 versions of the forum. one for adult discussions and sharing of pictures, the other for FLs and the related.
I am sure quite a number like me, just enjoy reading stories or viewing/sharing pics without going to the FL sections.

Also can add a points requirement to enter the picture sharing area of the 1st forum. The 2nd forum using a VPN sounds good, since the paying members still get their FL data they signed up for.

If still worried about underaged content as 154 puts it, have a moderator to approve every post if it contains a picture or links to pictures in the shared picture subforum then.They can share ZIPS/RARS without moderation.
I'm sure we won't mind waiting a little longer for the post to be approved.
You just want to ensure 154 does not see the sex part of the forum when they have no power/points.

Or if you really want to go under the radar, setup the site in the darknet. I can help you with that.

[sammyboyfor]

Or if you really want to go under the radar, setup the site in the darknet. I can help you with that.

Thanks for your suggestions. However, I still want to service the advertisers... there are more than just singapore banners.

I'll contact you with a few ideas though. It is sad what has happened to the internet. I never dreamed it would end up the way it is today. There's more control of what you do on line than there is of what you do in your real life.

[hijav]

I think this is the time where by power/premium comes into play. Why not restrict members with lower power ( than 4 or 5) from accessing FL dome.

I disagree with this, its like culling the forest to save a few trees but how do you know these few trees are not rotten themselves?

[Frankiestine]

Well I believe this forum will survive on thou under different format. Resilience that what this gov prides us on. Delphi threw us out cos they didn't like the contents that was bogging down their forum. Sam set up this forum to peddle to all our sex needs. Now we are facing another crisis but I trust on all true samsters and cheongsters resilience, to work with the Boss again to pull this forum through.

[Luger]

I have no idea how I can contribute to this. All I can say is good luck on your future endeavours boss.

[shiokshiokrelax]

If I am not welcome, I will depart. However, I'll select a core group of long term samsters plus paying members and give them access via my private vpn.

hope it all turns out fine.
here is a good place for my little business.:D

[kuah81]

Is it most member will no longer be able to login to forum? If yes when you this take effect?

[sammyboyfor]

First thing I did after I made this decision was to cull a whole bunch of members simply by eliminating all those who have contributed nothing.

From 330,000 which includes spam bots and all sorts of other nasties I am now down to a core group of a few thousand.

I'll go through this group with my team and eliminate the suspicious characters based upon posting and lurking patterns.

A script is also running which captures where you are coming from. Don't worry i am not logging IPs. :p All it does is assign each member a country code based on the IP blocks that I have obtained as a Premium member of https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php

From there I will do a further sort before implementing any filters.

[Jiaobin]

Should keep this forum only to Singaporeans. Toss out the foreign 垃圾. But still will have motherless dogs using vpn etc. Fuck them and their family la.

[exge]

First thing I did after I made this decision was to cull a whole bunch of members simply by eliminating all those who have contributed nothing.

From 330,000 which includes spam bots and all sorts of other nasties I am now down to a core group of a few thousand.

I'll go through this group with my team and eliminate the suspicious characters based upon posting and lurking patterns.

A script is also running which captures where you are coming from. Don't worry i am not logging IPs. :p All it does is assign each member a country code based on the IP blocks that I have obtained as a Premium member of https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php

From there I will do a further sort before implementing any filters.

actually there is a free API that does the same.

http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator

anyway like the other posters have said, impossible to filter the PRC cos they can use VPN. BUT you can block IP blocks of popular VPNs.

[scooby1]

I am little outdated from this news... just read some old papers and found out that even the judge also comments on this forum...

bro sam think got to act fast as if this site really got banned we really lose a good forum for us to "share" THINGS

Thanks you bro sam and hope your hardworks works out

[kuah81]

Any impact the 320000+ that was eliminated? Cannot login anymore?

First thing I did after I made this decision was to cull a whole bunch of members simply by eliminating all those who have contributed nothing.

From 330,000 which includes spam bots and all sorts of other nasties I am now down to a core group of a few thousand.

[sammyboyfor]

What happen th the 320000+ that was eliminated? Cannot login anymore?

At the moment they can still visit as guests but they'll end up being locked out either by singapore ISPs or by me.

[sammyboyfor]

actually there is a free API that does the same.

http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator

anyway like the other posters have said, impossible to filter the PRC cos they can use VPN. BUT you can block IP blocks of popular VPNs.

Yes there are free ones but the paying members get the most up to date list.

The list changes daily and needs to be updated on a regular basis.

[kuah81]

Mind to share how much restriction on them since they are guest?

At the moment they can still log in as guests.

[skystone]

Really cant imagine wake up 1 day,cant login to the forum anymore..:(:(:(:mad:

[MrSeahLK]

Why like that?:confused:

[sammyboyfor]

Mind to share how much restriction on them since they are guest?

They are locked out of the link exchange plaza for starters.

[MrSeahLK]

Sir

Moving your market out of Singapore could significantly impact your finance

[jasonzzz]

Log in and was "sorted" by system. Lucky still able to enter ..... 😁

Would have been a boring life without sammyboy

[LastApril]

Ok I've thought things over and it is pretty obvious that the site is not welcome by the general population of Singapore anymore. The abuse by the press is unrelenting.

It is just getting whacked by the press more often recently. How you know not welcomed by the general population of Singapore? I for one welcome SBF :D

[MrSeahLK]

Will Boss establish another website to advertise Singapore FL (without pimps involvement) ?

[MrSeahLK]

Many colleges of mine visit this forum

It is just getting whacked by the press more often recently. How you know not welcomed by the general population of Singapore? I for one welcome SBF :D

[takeda]

solution to a problem will naturely create new set of problem.

Just my 5 sen worth, while u deliberate on future of SBF

1) just go back to the basic how this forum was evolved

2) while getting advertisers is impt, is there another way to do so? The OKT mess to this level becos, the advertisers themselves abused it, make worst by the PRC OKTs. Any better way to manage the advertisers?

3) The problem is not created by the forumers but black sheep OKTs aka advertisers, made worst by the (1)PRCs, (2) forumers who are/ either or/ and advertisers and OKTs.
Should there be a special a/c for advertisers instead all into one?

[MrSeahLK]

Blame the people who rent out pussy at HDB apartment.

[joejoewonsg]

First thing I did after I made this decision was to cull a whole bunch of members simply by eliminating all those who have contributed nothing.

From 330,000 which includes spam bots and all sorts of other nasties I am now down to a core group of a few thousand.

I'll go through this group with my team and eliminate the suspicious characters based upon posting and lurking patterns.

A script is also running which captures where you are coming from. Don't worry i am not logging IPs. :p All it does is assign each member a country code based on the IP blocks that I have obtained as a Premium member of https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php

From there I will do a further sort before implementing any filters.

SBF boss, then make me a moderator. Let me police the Sharing plaza.

Too many spammers there. Many create 1 thread per video share.

Many create diff threads to ask or request a single item!

I can help u sort out the mess and police them

[Lazyp]

I have been enjoying this forum for years and will be sad to see it go, if things ever get to such a stage. Boss has done an excellent job, and while I have no ready solutions for the present problems, I'll just like to thank you and your team for all the good work done for us.

i think that the main problem this time round is actually the upskirt picture postings. That's the main negative press that I've been seeing being linked to this forum. It may be a good idea to clamp down on that, lest it brings down the whole forum.

[jonnn]

SBF boss, then make me a moderator. Let me police the Sharing plaza.

Too many spammers there. Many create 1 thread per video share.

Many create diff threads to ask or request a single item!

I can help u sort out the mess and police them

Look at what you did to make other bros zap you till so jialat...

[asker_01]

Please do not lock me out of this place!!! I'm been a quiet member but I really enjoy the time spend reading the wonderful stuff here...

[naemlo]

Been with SBF for about 12 yrs. Time to revamp this site esp membership.... life without SBF :eek:

[joejoewonsg]

Look at what you did to make other bros zap you till so jialat...

Those people who zap me. If u have time go investigate, its because of what?

1) i admit my response to these ppl r rude n offensive
2) I would say 90% from sniper community as I am a anti sniper from the very beginnings.
3) 10% zap me as I try to reprimand those who make this forum a mess. Creating needless request thread etc. Please make an effort to investigate before u casually judge.

[Oda007]

1. lock and destroy all upskirt/downblouse/voyeur threads lor

2. lock and delete FL2 and 3 lor :eek:

[sadfa]

I have been enjoying this forum for years and will be sad to see it go, if things ever get to such a stage. Boss has done an excellent job, and while I have no ready solutions for the present problems, I'll just like to thank you and your team for all the good work done for us.



I agree with you. Will b a shame n b very sad to see it go. Shall miss it more than many things if it really happens

[dimplesboy]

Ok I've thought things over and it is pretty obvious that the site is not welcome by the general population of Singapore anymore. The abuse by the press is unrelenting.



boss, i think its not that this site is not welcome by the general population leh, i welcome this forum and im sure many of us here do.

Yes there are some idiots with those stupid snipers that spoil the scene for all of us, but the forum did provides us with significant forms of importance be it for reading pleasures or raising awareness. Example rmb those wechat scams thread, if no sbf there wouldnt be much channel to raise such awareness leh. So im pretty sure this forum still hold an importance among quite a number of us... Alot of us are like me we are silent samster that frequently just read and time to time share some knowledge, inputs or stuff but we really appreciate it, so will appreciate you dont shut us out after this.
For my suggestion boss, I recommend active moinitoring of the pic sharing plaza to ban/remove/curb those idiots for any possible future snipers..coz thats the main thing that really spoil the scene..im sure alot of reasonable samster think so too..

But its your forum, just my suggestion boss, i hope you can consider. The decision is still yours, just wish all of us still have a channel for sexuality health info sharing or even scam info awarensss sharing. Thanks boss.

[lovestobonk]

I agree with you. Will b a shame n b very sad to see it go. Shall miss it more than many things if it really happens

can't imagine this forum going. It has to stay one way or another. I support the current initiative to trim/cull the membership.

[joejoewonsg]

boss, i think its not that this site is not welcome by the general population leh, i welcome this forum and im sure many of us here do.

Yes there are some idiots with those stupid snipers that spoil the scene for all of us, but the forum did provides us with significant forms of importance be it for reading pleasures or raising awareness. Example rmb those wechat scams thread, if no sbf there wouldnt be much channel to raise such awareness leh. So im pretty sure this forum still hold an importance among quite a number of us... Alot of us are like me we are silent samster that frequently just read and time to time share some knowledge, inputs or stuff but we really appreciate it, so will appreciate you dont shut us out after this.
For my suggestion boss, I recommend active moinitoring of the pic sharing plaza to ban/remove/curb those idiots for any possible future snipers..coz thats the main thing that really spoil the scene..im sure alot of reasonable samster think so too..

But its your forum, just my suggestion boss, i hope you can consider. The decision is still yours, just wish all of us still have a channel for sexuality health info sharing or even scam info awarensss sharing. Thanks boss.

Yes. What we need now is actively and disipline policing the Sharing plaza. One step at a time. Remove those hardcore snipers or possible Pban them. Chop a few trees save the forest.

[number32]

change is inevitable. all the best big boss!

[Irondick666]

From my humble observation, the forum attracts all the wrong attention I think is because of the upskirt and those local girls pic sharing threads. While it's "exciting" to look at them for most members, imaging how the authority will look at it when they are aware that such thread exist and it's not that difficult to gain access. They will be worry that one day their wife or daughters might be the highlight of such thread.

It's more threatening than pimping issue in the forum, the forum survive for many years as the SPF can use it as intel too for their anti-vice operations. But these upskirt video featuring the face of the victim clearly is out of line. No matter how you want to police the forum, once the authority has decided to shut it down they will get the local isp to block the site. It will be a sad day if the forum is gone, a few rat shit spoil the whole pot of porridge. :mad:

[horiv3]

SBF have served me well over the years as well as for many others, and will continue to do so no matter what. It will survive.

[figure11]

My humble suggestion.

Consider implementing an automated system, that any member whose reputation point reaches negative value will have their account removed.

In most cases, these members posting or comments were objectional to other SBF members which resulted in their reputation points 'ZAP' until negaive value. But their account are still active and they continue to their old ways, which promotes an unhealthy discussion within the forum.

Have a good day ahead to other fellow SBF members.

Based upon the avalanche of bad publicity over the last week regarding the content of the site, it is pretty obvious that this forum cannot carry on in its present form. The establishment has turned against it. There is no point going against the grain.

I envisaged a relaxing of rules and regulations as Singapore developed as a Nation. Instead, social pressures have brought things to a different sort of head.

While it will stay true to the theme of sexuality, I'll have to come up with some way of making more palatable to the community so that it becomes grudgingly accepted rather than openly condemned.

It will also become more diversified geographically.

While I've got my thinking cap on, any inputs from others will be appreciated.

[jokoto]

Boss,

Have you reached a final decision? If yes, no point saying further. If no, maybe a few suggestions:

1. Appoint more moderators to police the site
2. Moderator is allowed to remove illegal posts
3. Moderator is empowered to implement entry ban for 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or 100 days
4. Enforce stricter membership rules
5. Membership with certain criteria shall be put on probation e.g. less than 100 days or less than 10 posts per year.
6. Enforce membership registration via mobile phone number and credit card number
7. Encourage members to give up duplicate accounts
8. Ban the following: underage pornography, pimping, upskirt photos
9. Operate social escorted model - business charge a fee for recommending FL. The fee is a service fee
10. Adverts should be less explicit. Only age, ethnicity, nationality, body figures and physical descriptions with non-nude photos

I seldom post. But we are facing an existential crisis!

[joejoewonsg]

My humble suggestion.

Consider implementing an automated system, that any member whose reputation point reaches negative value will have their account removed.

In most cases, these members posting or comments were objectional to other SBF members which resulted in their reputation points 'ZAP' until negaive value. But their account are still active and they continue to their old ways, which promotes an unhealthy discussion within the forum.

Have a good day ahead to other fellow SBF members.

figure11 .... dont stupid la..... then me what??

I alone go against the Sniper community for so many years... they zap me till like this..... means what??

Now boss say sniping is wrong u all keep quiet. Then no one say i hero now?

Last time ppl whack me say i knn say i troll etc then what?

[*FiReWoRkS*]

This forum is too precious to both the Boss himself and the users to be totally destroyed or drastically revamped.

A simple diagnosis would suggest that this forum is essentially made up of 3 distinct areas - 1) Porn sharing 2) Paid advertising 3) Sharing of info among samsters

Each area has its fair share of problems and so lets do some simple disections below.

1) Porn sharing
Boss would have to decide if this area is still worth keeping and if its worth keeping then do we need to have some rules on banning or restricting certain objectionable genres like underage (obvious), voyeur/upskirt (50-50?), BDSM (50-50?) etc. And what should the rules be and how to implement the ban and restriction?

2) Paid advertising
This is the area that brings in the dough for Boss and also to provide the money to keep this forum going and it also benefit the OKTs and prospective clients ourselves - the most 'important' yet problematic component of the forum. 90% of the problems lie with the OKTs (fake FRs, fake pics, delete unfavourable FRs, cyber bullying towards other OKTs and clients etc) and the 10% problems caused by clients are to be honest borned out of the problems caused by the OKTs. We are all just regular horny samsters that want to have a good time thats matched by the ads descriptions. We 'cause' troubles only when we need to fight back against those unfair/fake ads.
Boss would need to decide if this is still worth keeping and if so should any form of rules and regulation be in place? Separate threads for separate OKTs to keep things tidy and manageable? Instead of scantily clad ads logos should we have a coy logo of the OKT instead? Or maybe just a name of the OKT will do? Let the OKT put in some descriptions for his girls and services and allow samsters to reply in that thread but suggest the OKT to put a link to his own webpage for samsters to refer to that place for more info and pics. In this way this section would look less sordid but still allow the users to check everything at one glance and allow the OKTs a good and fair platform to conduct their business. Boss and mods would retain all rights to the deletion of replies on the separate threads so that samsters would not complain of unfair deletion of honest FRs. And of cos obvious cases of rival OKTs posting damaging FRs on rival threads should be severely dealth with.

3) Sharing of info
Important but none-revenue generating thus the strict clampdown on threads that look only remotely like advertising threads. I believe this is the least problematic of the 3 in terms of attracting unwanted public attention yet the most important as it is the spirit of sharing that brings in the samsters and thus web traffic in making this forum a lively one. I just hope Boss would be less lenient on deleting suspicious looking threads in order for the spirit of sharing to flourish again.

Apologies for I cant and did not provide full solutions to all that ive mentioned but i just hope the above are good food for thoughts to further improve the forum.

Cheers~

[IwantbustyKim]

Boss,

Technical qns here....If you are planning to do GEO-restricting... can you do it without jeopardizing VPNs?

[ChinWuRui]

Call chick turn me into see peh pai seh

[StealthBomber]

Basically should re-think sniping, upskirt, downblouse etc. of local context.

Reason is, it will attract outrage and unwanted attention because singapore is a SMALL place.

High chance the sordid photo taken unknowingly and posted up will be recognised as someone's gf, wife, sister, classmate, etc. Not good.

If it's an obviously foreign video linked from elsewhere it won't be so bad.

[IwantbustyKim]

From my humble observation, the forum attracts all the wrong attention I think is because of the upskirt and those local girls pic sharing threads. While it's "exciting" to look at them for most members, imaging how the authority will look at it when they are aware that such thread exist and it's not that difficult to gain access. They will be worry that one day their wife or daughters might be the highlight of such thread.

It's more threatening than pimping issue in the forum, the forum survive for many years as the SPF can use it as intel too for their anti-vice operations. But these upskirt video featuring the face of the victim clearly is out of line. No matter how you want to police the forum, once the authority has decided to shut it down they will get the local isp to block the site. It will be a sad day if the forum is gone, a few rat shit spoil the whole pot of porridge. :mad:


We can argue that Upskirts and Pimping should be banned and of course any child pornography should be banned DEFINITELY. However, where do we draw the LINE?.

How about downblouse? How about posting of pirated adult video content? How about sharing of slutty girls information? How about sharing of LEGIT FLs that operate on their own? How about sharing of girl's public social media site photos that are set on PUBLIC? How about sharing of our adulterous escapades and other non-mainstream fetishes?

The very fact we have FL forums is already in clear defiance of the law against sex solicitation and anything sexual is in opposition to the "CONSERVATIVE" mentality of the SG gahmen. No matter how much ground we cede, the powers that be will only be happy if Sammyboy cease to exist (another will of course take its place, cos the depravity of men and women knows no bounds).

Thus, I say to the brudders and bosses in this forum. Yes, we are facing an existential threat against the very playground of all the brudders here. However, by ceding ground to the authorities... it will set us on a slippery road...leading not only to general well being of the forum but also the very reasons why we come here.

In the words of William Walllace,

http://www.samuelrunge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Braveheart-they-may-take-our-lives-but-they-will-never-take-our-freedom.jpg

Our freedoms to express our thoughts (no matter how non-mainstream) is a privilege given to us by Boss Sammyboy. We need to keep our playground clean but not too clean lest we lose ourselves and become like STOMP or SGforums or worse $$$$$$$$$$$$...

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[figure11]

Cool down TS,

This thread was meant for suggestion to Admin. If you want to take these comments at personal level. I have only one advise for you. "drink liang teh" :cool:



figure11 .... dont stupid la..... then me what??

I alone go against the Sniper community for so many years... they zap me till like this..... means what??

Now boss say sniping is wrong u all keep quiet. Then no one say i hero now?

Last time ppl whack me say i knn say i troll etc then what?

[sammyboyfor]

The forum began as a simple bulletin board in the Web 1.0 era. In fact the first script was nothing more than a simple guestbook.

It has grown and been defined by members. Its direction has not been determined by me. Neither was the format. All I did was create the various sections in response to the content eg like sorting books on a shelf by category which is pretty much what I am still doing today.

To cut a long story short I can't manage it the way you suggest. I'm not a corporation. I'm a one man show with a few volunteers who help out.

Asking me to moderate everything is pretty much impossible. The link exchange plaza is all embedded stuff. The files are not uploaded to my server. They go to file sharing sites which I have absolutely no control over. Some threads contain video mega links which are 1.5Gb and there could be hundreds posted daily.

If those were child porn videos, how would I possibly tell unless I actually downloaded all of them and reviewed the contents. I would need a staff of 100 and a T1 connection. Google doesn't moderate all its search results either. They respond to complaints the same way I do plus they have the resources to automate some tasks.

I simply cannot manage the forum anymore as it exists today. It has outgrown my capabilities and time.

For my OZ/NZ forums that I run for Sydney/Christchurch sex workers, I can hire people on the ground to ensure accurate images and proper descriptions, I even provide a photography service through a sub contractor. I tried to do that in Singapore but found it impossible even though prostitution is legal. No photographer wanted to get involved. The brothel operators are therefore given open season to simply steal images from the web and use them thereby exposing the site to all sorts of copyright liabilities.

You can see what I could achieve in Singapore with a professional team of staff.

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To sum up the forum as it is now impossible to run if I am to try to ensure compliance to Singapore laws. It's just too big.

The only hope to make it compliant in the eyes of the Singapore authorities is to scale it down to a manageable size so that I can reduce overheads so that it pays its way somehow. I can then check out what sort of format will be acceptable to the police.

Perhaps the yellow pages format where it just says "XYZ escort services - Gorgeous girls available to take care of you" or something similar. However, it would be pretty bland and the forum would probably die in no time.

Sites like travel advisor would never be as popular as they are today if all they did was list destinations and establishments with zero customer inputs. That is why I thought this forum format was ideal because of its interactive nature. Of course I cannot moderate all the posts. It would take me more hours than I have in day unless I scale it down considerably.

I have always relied on community self regulation to keep this forum as sanitised as possible. Obviously it has not worked. I spend most of my on line time in the sexual health issues and matters of the heart sections because that is where I thought that I could be of most value. The rest of the forum was left to run on its own with a volunteer mod. The end result is the public crucification that we are witnessing today.



This forum is too precious to both the Boss himself and the users to be totally destroyed or drastically revamped.

A simple diagnosis would suggest that this forum is essentially made up of 3 distinct areas - 1) Porn sharing 2) Paid advertising 3) Sharing of info among samsters

Each area has its fair share of problems and so lets do some simple disections below.

1) Porn sharing
Boss would have to decide if this area is still worth keeping and if its worth keeping then do we need to have some rules on banning or restricting certain objectionable genres like underage (obvious), voyeur/upskirt (50-50?), BDSM (50-50?) etc. And what should the rules be and how to implement the ban and restriction?

2) Paid advertising
This is the area that brings in the dough for Boss and also to provide the money to keep this forum going and it also benefit the OKTs and prospective clients ourselves - the most 'important' yet problematic component of the forum. 90% of the problems lie with the OKTs (fake FRs, fake pics, delete unfavourable FRs, cyber bullying towards other OKTs and clients etc) and the 10% problems caused by clients are to be honest borned out of the problems caused by the OKTs. We are all just regular horny samsters that want to have a good time thats matched by the ads descriptions. We 'cause' troubles only when we need to fight back against those unfair/fake ads.
Boss would need to decide if this is still worth keeping and if so should any form of rules and regulation be in place? Separate threads for separate OKTs to keep things tidy and manageable? Instead of scantily clad ads logos should we have a coy logo of the OKT instead? Or maybe just a name of the OKT will do? Let the OKT put in some descriptions for his girls and services and allow samsters to reply in that thread but suggest the OKT to put a link to his own webpage for samsters to refer to that place for more info and pics. In this way this section would look less sordid but still allow the users to check everything at one glance and allow the OKTs a good and fair platform to conduct their business. Boss and mods would retain all rights to the deletion of replies on the separate threads so that samsters would not complain of unfair deletion of honest FRs. And of cos obvious cases of rival OKTs posting damaging FRs on rival threads should be severely dealth with.

3) Sharing of info
Important but none-revenue generating thus the strict clampdown on threads that look only remotely like advertising threads. I believe this is the least problematic of the 3 in terms of attracting unwanted public attention yet the most important as it is the spirit of sharing that brings in the samsters and thus web traffic in making this forum a lively one. I just hope Boss would be less lenient on deleting suspicious looking threads in order for the spirit of sharing to flourish again.

Apologies for I cant and did not provide full solutions to all that ive mentioned but i just hope the above are good food for thoughts to further improve the forum.

Cheers~

[IwantbustyKim]

As long as you have the FL threads and a place for people to talk about non-mainstream sex... This forum will inevitably run into trouble with the powers that be.

Basically, they don't want content which they can't control. Its as simple as that, thus they will attack us at our weakest spot (The black sheep that is amongst us just like in any large group).

The forum began as a simple bulletin board in the Web 1.0 era. In fact the first script was nothing more than a simple guestbook.

It has grown and been defined by members. It's direction has not been determined by me. Neither was the format. All I did was create the various sections in response to the content eg like sorting books on a shelf by category which is pretty much what I am still doing today.

To cut a long story short I can't manage it the way you suggest. I'm not a corporation. I'm a one man show with a few volunteers who help out.

Asking me to moderate everything is pretty much impossible. The link exchange plaza is all embedded stuff. The files are not uploaded to my server. They go to file sharing sites. Some threads contain videos which are 1.5Gb and there could be hundreds posted daily.

If those were child porn videos, how would I possibly tell unless I actually downloaded all of them and reviewed the contents. I would need a staff of 100 and a T1 connection.

To cut a long story short I simply cannot manage the forum anymore as it exists today. It has outgrown my capabilities and time.

For my OZ/NZ forums that I run for Sydney/Christchurch sex workers, I can hire people on the ground to ensure accurate images and proper descriptions, I even provide a photography service through a sub contractor. I tried to do that in Singapore but found it impossible even though prostitution is legal. No photographer wanted to get involved. The brothel operators are therefore given open season to simply steal images from the web and using them thereby exposing the site to all sorts of copyright liabilities.

To sum up the forum as it is now impossible to run if I am to try to ensure compliance to Singapore laws. It's just too big.

The only hope to make it compliant in the eyes of the Singapore authorities is to scale it down to a manageable size so that I can reduce overheads so that it pays its way somehow. I can then check out what sort of format will be acceptable to the police.

Perhaps the yellow pages format where it just says "XYZ escort services - Gorgeous girls available to take care of you" or something similar. However, it would be pretty bland and the forum would probably die in no time.

Sites like travel advisor would never be as popular as they are today if all they did was list destinations and establishments with zero customer inputs. That is why I thought this forum format was ideal because of its interactive nature. Of course I cannot moderate all the posts. It would take me more hours than I have in day unless I scale it down considerably.

I have always relied on community self regulation to keep this forum as sanitised as possible. Obviously it has not worked. I spend most of my on line time in the sexual health issues and matters of the heart sections because that is where I thought that I could be of most value. The rest of the forum was left to run on its own. The end result is the public crucification that we are witnessing today.

[joejoewonsg]

Cool down TS,

This thread was meant for suggestion to Admin. If you want to take these comments at personal level. I have only one advise for you. "drink liang teh" :cool:

THEN y didnt u stood up against sniping in your history of post??

is it now the media and boss say sniping is a NONO ... then u pressure to say no to sniping also? u contribute what? a load of trash.

I m negative, but only shallow people cannot see what I contributed or try to contribute.

Without me always causing a nuisance to stop deter these snipers, u think will so fast take action? Always creating commotions and taking zaps.

Now the snipes r gone. The zaps r gone. and suddenly people r giving me points. ppl r coming out like hypocrites saying ban the snipes.


r u one of them? I not taking personal. I dont even know u. First time exchange with u. What personal u talking about? I just think your suggestions come with ill intentions

[clustertrinket]

It is very sad to see this happening to one of the last bastions of free speech and free expression in Singapore, namely this forum.

All we want is good sex, good fun, and good chatting with each other. Its a pity some of those in power take it upon themselves to be the police of the moral universe.

I have nothing but utter contempt for those who try to run the lives of others by their own code which they seek to enforce without your permission.

[sammyboyfor]

is it now the media and boss say sniping is a NONO ... then u pressure to say no to sniping also? u contribute what? a load of trash.



A bit about the sniping thread.

When it first started some time ago, I actually asked one of my lawyer friends whether it was legal to take a photo of a pretty girl with huge tits walking down the street.

The reply he gave to me was that as long as the image was taken in a public place and no misleading captions accompanied the image, it was legal to post it on line. His advice is collaborated here :

http://singaporelegaladvice.com/a-stomper-took-my-picture-and-posted-it-on-stomp-defaming-me-what-can-i-do/

EG if it was posted with the remarks "beautiful tits", then it was legal although it may not exactly be wholesome. If the caption was "had sex with her last night" which was absolutely untrue, then it would be libel.

I therefore let the thread run. This was the sort of images published... pretty girls but in a public place and pretty much qualified as "street photogpraphy:

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/bannergraphics/5134752a5b4e3e89d44df9ded49580e567f046f.jpg

However, it covertly morphed into an upskirt thread which is definitely illegal because it outrages the modesty of the subject. Unfortunately I did not realise it until it was too late and the shit hit the fan. The thread was started in 2009! It lasted forever with never a single complaint to me.

[figure11]

Hi TS,

I have no animosity against you. Just another usual salaryman. You have misunderstood my comment on this thread from the start and I am not going to continue with you in this debate. Your comments in most cases can be interprted as cyber-bullying. Please continue your cyber-vigilante ways as you deem fit. I applaude for your efforts. :cool:


THEN y didnt u stood up against sniping in your history of post??

is it now the media and boss say sniping is a NONO ... then u pressure to say no to sniping also? u contribute what? a load of trash.

I m negative, but only shallow people cannot see what I contributed or try to contribute.

Without me always causing a nuisance to stop deter these snipers, u think will so fast take action? Always creating commotions and taking zaps.

Now the snipes r gone. The zaps r gone. and suddenly people r giving me points. ppl r coming out like hypocrites saying ban the snipes.


r u one of them? I not taking personal. I dont even know u. First time exchange with u. What personal u talking about? I just think your suggestions come with ill intentions

[Big_sam]

I disagree with this, its like culling the forest to save a few trees but how do you know these few trees are not rotten themselves?

After filtration, it's basically up to the moderator to remove those rotten ones if they exist or starting to rot making trouble here.

Just curious, I believe this is not the first time that Police/Media had prompt boss about SBF... just wondering why does it sound so dead serious this time round and even talking about moving out of Singapore commercial scene?

Although good things have to come to an end, but still hope boss can find solution to maintain the thread. Will respect any decision by then yea.

[m0n0n0ke]

I wonder too. Why this time rounds sound so serious? ?

[sammyboyfor]

After filtration, it's basically up to the moderator to remove those rotten ones if they exist or starting to rot making trouble here.

Just curious, I believe this is not the first time that Police/Media had prompt boss about SBF... just wondering why does it sound so dead serious this time round and even talking about moving out of Singapore commercial scene?

Although good things have to come to an end, but still hope boss can find solution to maintain the thread. Will respect any decision by then yea.

The problem is that the volume is too high. No Mod or even a team of Mods can scrutinize everything.

They rely on people reporting. That is why I put the reporting link in the forum preamble.

HWZ is the same : In their forum, it is stated

Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts.

The difference is that HWZ is owned by SPH where as sammyboy is not. They can therefore get away with a disclaimer whereas mine carries no weight whatsoever. In HWZ members are responsible for their own posts. In sammyboy, I am responsible for everyone's posts.

[bastardball]

Just my two cents worth....

Simple, form a board of committee and get current or ex ministers/MP/PAP members as members to endorse this forum and work with the relevant agencies/authorities to revamp our image:

1. To ward against premarital sex (since sex transaction in this forum must be 18 years and above) - can work with city harvest or faith the Baptist church

2. Promote a stronger family bond (after bonking, the father/mother happily goes back to the family) - can work with Focus on the Family

3. Promote an active lifestyle..sex burns a lot of calories - can work with Health Promotion Board

4. Promote Work-life Balance - de-stress from work - can work with the Ministry of Manpower on this area

5. Promote equality for males and females - men pay for sex, women can also pay for sex - can work with AWARE


Lastly, during the relaunch, when cutting the red ribbon, get the PM or President to cut it.

[leakypipes]

why not remove all the FL sections? And also the KTV/HC sections. Move them elsewhere. Maybe you keep it under the sammyboy banner, but under a different name. any members want to go there, so be it.

If that is too much, then at least remove fl2. let's make a stand here. fl2 and all its vendors have gone too far.

create other sections to attract other advertisers. like the ones in this subforum selling sex related items. example - a section abt cars and bikes, and invite workshops to buy ad space.

[Frankiestine]

My humble suggestion.

Consider implementing an automated system, that any member whose reputation point reaches negative value will have their account removed.

In most cases, these members posting or comments were objectional to other SBF members which resulted in their reputation points 'ZAP' until negaive value. But their account are still active and they continue to their old ways, which promotes an unhealthy discussion within the forum.

Have a good day ahead to other fellow SBF members.

Not a good suggestion lah, in the end pple get obssess with rep pts again and than have clones just to build up their war chest..

[forgetful]

Like many bros, have been in this forum for the longest time.

Reading through the comments, can tell that some of the bros here are genuinely concerned. But please have an understanding of Singapore Laws before making suggestions.

1) Prostitution is LEGAL, pimping is illegal. Meaning FLs are perfectly in line with the law, but taking earnings from a prostitute is illegal. Minimum age of 18.
2) Escorts are LEGAL, escort agencies are LEGAL. Consensual sex between adults is legal. Minimum age of having sex is 16, it is ILLEGAL however if money/favors have changed hands.
3) Propositioning sex to someone else is ILLEGAL, you cannot propose to exchange money/favours in return for sexual favours.
4) Outrage of modesty is criminal, ie. the upskirt saga, unless it is consensual.
5) Photographers copyrights is legal binding, which means you cant steal some model's photo and use it as and where you like.

Just bear in mind the above and help boss if you have any ideas.

[Frankiestine]

Perhaps boss should put up a warning sign on site that those who upload illegal material ie. upskirts etc their IP will be reported to the authorities. Boss does have a similar approach towards pple who upload paedophilles stuff. At least that is some form of policing and deterrent against would be uploaders.

[ttenneb]

Singapore has this good/bad thing. Everytime something bad happens, something gets blown out of proportion, everyone goea crazy. But as long as the next few days/weeks/months doesn't have another similiar incident, we kind of grew tired, and shift our focus on another incident.

So it's like a temporary solution. Just my thoughts. Few incidents like the City Harvest Case, Rioting in India etc.

But when a similiar incident happens, then everyone's focus come back with more vengence; MRT breakdown.

FYI, I love this forum the way it is. 😀

[Summerhillt]

I think sooner or later local Isp might ban access to this forum altogether.. This forum did serve as a great output to share Fr and many other good kangtaos.

What the judge is talking about is rather lame. We are depraved individuals on the net? What the fuck? I bet he got an account here as well.

[jameschong1]

stupid sam, u ask for it!
just take away the politics part away - problem solve!
also take away gl legal joint away - 2nd problem solve!

use your brain, sam.

[lyster]

Been around this forum for quite a while. And hope to share my 2 cents.

The Massage and FL forums are filled with OKTs spamming in their own threads. You do not see credible FRs from reputable members anymore. Even if there are, you have to dig through scores of pages of nonsense posts from the OKT just to bring their page to the front.

Would be great if you could limit their postings for their ads.

Cheers.

[joejoewonsg]

https://sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=13290781&postcount=4

it is the community of growing rats here that is chewing away SBF bit by bit.

I am really disgusted by this poongko.

If he is born in INDIA. He will be a rapist no doubt.

[JDarko]

How about no new registrations and only way to join the site is by invites only(by current members)?

[upme]

Boss

May i suggest this:

All incoming post that contains image are auto-deleted.

[Wintermelontea]

I only see one issue - the pimps.

Kill them, kill the root of your issues. They are one of the reasons why the other forum has fallen (perhaps more). What you want to do with the FL and all, do it professionally and all will be happy?

There will not be an outright who's right or wrong. Just a matter of playing by the ah gong's rules and regulations.

Boss, you have been in this game long enough, do not need to complicate matters. Why put everyone's issues upon yourself? Isn't there suppose to have a self-responsibility online or offline for everyone? Amos Yee took it upon himself for what he said no?

Pimps. Kill them off, issues resolved. Cheongsters will still be happy. Contributors will still be here...as with any other "informers".

If you fail to understand what I have said, read again.

[upme]

I understand.

[3someking]

Allows for reporting of other users who carry out illegal acts.

Once I started this particular thread about my favourite ktv girl who is turned away by ICA and not allowed to enter Singapore.

Few days after that, I was shocked when I received a PM from this user who ask me if I needed his help. He told me he could help me make a fake student pass so that she is able to enter Singapore without any problem. I ignored that user and deleted the message.

My point is that I may be an active forum member here but that doesnt mean that I could do things which are against the law or legislation, am I right? This forum is a not a platform for illegal activities to take place but rather more like people you and I who surfs in search of having personal interests and also come here to share the good things with one another.

[upme]

Not forget to mention i up you you up me

[yinyang]

Sam, hope yours (if morphed to another form) is palatable by the authorities.
Else, you and many of us had a good run -guess quite a few from inception, more than a decade ago. :D

[clustertrinket]

The vast majority of OKTs are toeing the line

It is the PRC OKTs that have overstepped their bounds. Get them out of the forum and all will be fine.

Other nationalities can leave them alone.

[joejoewonsg]

I think sooner or later local Isp might ban access to this forum altogether.. This forum did serve as a great output to share Fr and many other good kangtaos.

What the judge is talking about is rather lame. We are depraved individuals on the net? What the fuck? I bet he got an account here as well.

The judge mention the sniping community lar. u can read properly anot? dont anyhow add this and that. smart alec

[Funkygoodboy]

Also my 2 cents... turn site to invite-only membership.. so no tom dick harry come in and sabo the contents.. that time the exposure of the local nude models content, basically people from everywhere... HWZ, etc all come take a look and its obvious that such contents get leaked and forum garner more attention.

[LastApril]

Pimps. Kill them off, issues resolved. Cheongsters will still be happy. Contributors will still be here...as with any other "informers".

I got upped with a curse message for suggesting this :D

[BlueFinTuna]

I got upped with a curse message for suggesting this :D
You got up right ?

[Spud_Boy]

boss, hope whatever the forum morphs into, i hope the essence of the forum still remains... sigh...

[FUYANG]

That's what lak saboy.org did but it has still been banned. :rolleyes:




you have done a great job ................

............. nothing need to be change ..............

even if temasek holdings are to take over .......... it will still be run in the same way like you do ... :D ......... this is no joke!


the lak.sa stall was block because it is a scammer website!

i am very certain sammyboyforum will last another 10 years ...........if you are not in collaboration with those scammer :D :p

i really don't understand what's in your brain cell ........

................... why you guys start to collaborate with those scammer

the zapping that you created was a great idea for us to have some fun with .........

........... but you and your team join in the fun ............ thinking it can kill people ......... when warning was posted regarding those scammer!


N/A 07-07-2015 11:12 AM zap
N/A 07-07-2015 11:11 AM zap


it is time for you to have some thoughts on how to behave yourself and be a good boy ...................

and i believe anyone will still be able to click ......... www.sammyboyforum.com

have fun to all .............

[gnola]

please dont go... kc n sunshine band

[BBBJOK]

Without your forum, where can i find lady to BBBJ me?

[ol'coyote]

First thing I did after I made this decision was to cull a whole bunch of members simply by eliminating all those who have contributed nothing.

From 330,000 which includes spam bots and all sorts of other nasties I am now down to a core group of a few thousand.

I'll go through this group with my team and eliminate the suspicious characters based upon posting and lurking patterns.

A script is also running which captures where you are coming from. Don't worry i am not logging IPs. :p All it does is assign each member a country code based on the IP blocks that I have obtained as a Premium member of https://www.countryipblocks.net/country_selection.php

From there I will do a further sort before implementing any filters.

just realised this morning...
me is now in "Sam's Kiwi Home. Your Virtual Entertainment Hub"...
but the tab on Chrome still shows "The Asian Commercial Sex Scene"...
hehehe...
and the membership has dropped to about 3200...wow...
thank you boss for putting me in this special list...
me still have a place to pen me FRs...hehehe...

[yinyang]

just realised this morning... "Sam's Kiwi Home. Your Virtual Entertainment Hub"...but the tab on Chrome still shows "The Asian Commercial Sex Scene"...
and the membership has dropped to about 3200...wow...
me still have a place to pen me FRs...hehehe...
Seamless then, also didn't notice the shift. Cull since done, probably overdue housekeeping with latest developments (harassment?😇)

FRs to be continued from old birds here?:D:p

[NoSexNoLife]

Sam I think you need to implement stricter rules from now on..

Hope everything went well and do remember, Singaporeans forget things easily~

[sammyboyfor]

The changes will be made in stages. Rome was not built in a day.

just realised this morning...
me is now in "Sam's Kiwi Home. Your Virtual Entertainment Hub"...
but the tab on Chrome still shows "The Asian Commercial Sex Scene"...
hehehe...
and the membership has dropped to about 3200...wow...
thank you boss for putting me in this special list...
me still have a place to pen me FRs...hehehe...

[sammyboyfor]

Seamless then, also didn't notice the shift. Cull since done, probably overdue housekeeping with latest developments (harassment?😇)

FRs to be continued from old birds here?:D:p

I culled all those who did not make a truthful age declaration.

[newyorker88]

On this score I agree. The other OKTs play fair by and large, with the bad hats being exceptional.

The PRC OKTs are the black sheep. Again, it is China nationals who are screwing SIngaporeans. Kick the PRC OKTs out so that loca, Thai and other nationalities can survive.

That is only fair to cheogsters

Boss, according to the laws, pimping is not allowed, but FLs, I them thriving. I do agree that a few OKT are the ones giving a bad name to this forum.

Let the FLs thrive. By large, these FLs are desperate people who resort to such tide thru much of their problems. Demand and supply. No way authorities are able to cramp them all down. At least in this forum, they learn about it and how to go about it.



Think about how to control the OKTs. Maybe a rep point system for them? On the second thought, these OKTs may start adding more points to themselves or deduct others or give fake FR or complains and so on.


I been here for years, and seen all sort of people. Sammyboy should stay on. It is a place that has given much to society n educated many, be it STD issues, love/relationship issues, or help those desperate in need of $ n a place where many transaction take place.


Those MIW, or those in Blue uniform, a word of advice would be let this forum thrive if you want less trouble. Those whom you are suppose to go after( the black sheep), by all means go after them.

End of the day, I believe those MIW n Blue uniform guys do go for FLs as well.

[Hellfire79]

It always my favorite site...can't imagine a day w/o it...

I mean let see what Sam can do n see how we can chip in...just press on

[xxxaddict]

I realise I'm at Sam's Kiwi Home too.

Glad I've not been culled. Been here since the Delphi Forum days, and have seen the forum change over the years.

Back then, HC FRs were worth their weight in gold...Lots of quality FRs, and blow-by-blow accounts (heh heh) of every encounter with your friendly Malaysian babe (usually from Ipoh or KL). But now, the HC section is more or less a mass advertising section that I hardly click on.

Nowadays we don't see much FRs anymore, and there have been a number of forummers who have said that the lack of FRs is due to zapping by OKTs and/or their cronies and clones. Perhaps now that the membership base has been culled, boss can remove advertiser's zapping privileges, and we would see more FRs again?

I love them blow-by-blow accounts of sexploits and derring-do.....

[cheersMike]

I survived.. can still login..

[Klick]

For my OZ/NZ forums that I run for Sydney/Christchurch sex workers, I can hire people on the ground to ensure accurate images and proper descriptions, I even provide a photography service through a sub contractor. I tried to do that in Singapore but found it impossible even though prostitution is legal. No photographer wanted to get involved. The brothel operators are therefore given open season to simply steal images from the web and use them thereby exposing the site to all sorts of copyright liabilities.


You should have pmed me, i would have taken up your offer to be your photographer :p

[spikyjonny]

Bro,
Thx for not including me in the cull list.
I admit that I haven't been an active contributor, but allow me to speak my 2 cents' worth.

The events which led to the re-launching of this forum has troubled me, because it's just like the MIWs to deny alternative voices the space to express themselves.

The timing of this can only mean 1 thing, n I think all bros n sis will agree that this is all about laying the groundwork for GE.

The need of the powers-that-be to justify these actions speaks volumes.

I of course may be reading too much into this.

Whatever it is, I hope that spirit behind this forum can and will be retained.

Just my 2 cents' worth.

Sorry if I sound like I have been reading too conspiracy theories.

[porscheclub]

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

But majority of the prostitutes (FL, escorts etc) in Singapore are not legalized except those with yellow cards operating in designated zones.

I think 90% of the business comes from those illegal ones which even the govt finds it a challenge to contain. Those FLs especially the foreigners also need a pimp to sell the services. I'm not in this business so will let the experts comment how to deal with this ancient profession.

Another problem is those posting "stolen" pictures & voyeurs that attract major legal issue. I haven't really noticed but if someone starts to post potential paedophile materials then it will spell trouble. I think boss should make effort to contain these postings & set about mods + guidelines.

Agree on making it a credit-card paying site for registration & certain "sensitive" areas so it'll create a barrier for under-aged access which might weed out clones too.

[Forbes]

I stand corrected, but the fact that I am able to access the forum and post suggests that I have been excluded from the culling. If I am correct, thanks.

Be that as it may, selective culling merely reduces the probability of bad hats in the forum. It does not eradicate the problem. To be effective, culling has to be wholesale, which leads me to a radical suggestion, one that may, or may not, be acceptable to the forum owner or the forum members.

My suggestion is to temporarily shut down the forum entirely, say for up to 6 months. After that, the forum can be resuscitated. The forum owner can then accept membership, either based on a paid basis or based on conditions that the forum owner may impose, eg, proof of past membership.

I believe that the forum has invaluable intrinsic value. I have been a member since the Delphi days. My present nick is my third reincarnation. I have no fear of not be able to find the forum again and I suspect I should qualify for membership if based on past contributions. If not, then all the best to the forum owner and thanks for the memories.

[DreamMaster1985]

Thanks for not culling me, yet. As you said earlier, there will some filters depending on posting and lurking patterns. Hope this forum will be kept going in the long years to come.

[Hurricane88]

Latest news...:)

https://www.sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?t=543310

Also more sections introduced...:)

[MagicFingers]

Bro,
Thx for not including me in the cull list.
I admit that I haven't been an active contributor, but allow me to speak my 2 cents' worth.

The events which led to the re-launching of this forum has troubled me, because it's just like the MIWs to deny alternative voices the space to express themselves.

The timing of this can only mean 1 thing, n I think all bros n sis will agree that this is all about laying the groundwork for GE.

The need of the powers-that-be to justify these actions speaks volumes.

I of course may be reading too much into this.

Whatever it is, I hope that spirit behind this forum can and will be retained.

Just my 2 cents' worth.

Sorry if I sound like I have been reading too conspiracy theories.

I don't disagree with you on the Gee Eee stuff. =D

What I can suggest is a lag time for membership / account start up + time limited ban for posting certain types of materials based on members reporting.

So, once a person's account is banned, if he wants to post more, he starts another account, but cannot post immediately, so he has to wait for a few days to post his materials.

He can use another already created account, but at the risk of that account being banned too. This might slow down the tide a little.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the FLs portion (though a few SBF-ers did talk about the PRC pimps issue, but I'm not sure with what's happening there), though the sniping portion might be getting out of hand a little.

[Big2]

I did not get culled! I'm alive! =) This forum too, will stay afloat! Best source of entertainment when OC not around. All the best boss!

[pussywillow]

I've been a long time follower of this forum although only rarely active unless there's something useful or have a view to share.

This forum for me has indeed been a great resource and information on all things related to sex in Singapore and has helped me with my first FL encounter and many after. I have to say I enjoyed earlier years when FLs were real and bros were really just genuinely helpful to newbies to this game. Indeed much of what's in here are spoilt by too much false advertising, spammers and such.

Do hate to see the site go but hopefully the Phoenix with rise from the ashes and we will get a brand new SBF in time. Whatever your decision bro I know it's difficult but we will support it and hope to see you back somewhere soon!

Thank you!

[yinyang]

I culled all those who did not make a truthful age declaration.
Good to see vets here coming out of hibernation, to lend credence to your move :D

[sammyboyfor]

This forum for me has indeed been a great resource and information on all things related to sex in Singapore and has helped me with my first FL encounter and many after. I have to say I enjoyed earlier years when FLs were real and bros were really just genuinely helpful to newbies to this game. Indeed much of what's in here are spoilt by too much false advertising, spammers and such.


It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting.

However, the harsh reality of having to pay the bills every month meant that by 2005, providing a free service was no longer a viable option.

[sennheiser]

Boss, thanks for being upfront with the information.

Can only hope that enough policing has been done to get the heat off the forum.

[Abcdefghijklmn]

Here is my few cents.

Start a contest within Sammy boy. The contest is, the first person report advertiser operate illegally, will get a reward. Using the report, the person will be send to police.

Secondly, all topics about personal experience, has to use a common name. No more names in case some brothers are stupid enough to write real name and end up sabotage.

Third, for photographs that seem to be taken on purpose such as upskirt, will be send in to police for review. The person in photographs must give their consent so not to violate pdpa and police cannot say any thing if the materials are with consent.

Last, I love Sammy boy, but I hope you guys can be saved from the assholes. Cooperate with police, and who knows this can become a healthy forum for sex.

[Hurricane88]

New Name lah...:)

Sam's Kiwi Home...no more Sammyboy Forum...:)

[Rambutan]

The latest case is about some guy who was advertising on behalf of prostitutes and taking a cut. I'm trying to figure out a way of ensuring that the girls advertise directly with no middleman to criminalise the process.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

Perhaps you should start a Chinese class for ah tiong pros to learn how to advertise in English Classified. These ladies paid hundreds to the "site owners" on top of theor few thousand rental for ONE ROOM....

[yig1976]

Perhaps restrict new members from asking for ctcs till they have offered a few of their own contacts to the moderators. Moderators can assess their credibility by trying out the contacts to suss out the fake ones and the veiled guise of the authorities. Only when moderators are satisfied can the new members post their replies etc on the public forum.

[2011]

Boss

you really giving up SG market?

[hotguy2468]

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting..

Boss, your sticky says NO HDB FLs allowed, but what if the FLs of your advertiser is operating in HDB locations?

In case you are not aware, your PRC OKTs still advertising for FLs operating in HDB flats. Today I encountered 3 FLs in FL Dome 2 who gave me their location in HDB estate - Yishun, Punggol & Jurong. Finally decided to go GL to release.

[Spud_Boy]

still hope the essence of the forum remains after the revamp... & heng i still can login... can't imagine suddenly can't login after so many yrs in the forum...

boss, so does it mean i can't log in when i'm travelling in China?

[Spector69]

I did not get culled! I'm alive! =) This forum too, will stay afloat! Best source of entertainment when OC not around. All the best boss!

You mean u are not culled..yet. You sounds like an animal needing to be slaughtered.

[picco]

The problem is that the volume is too high. No Mod or even a team of Mods can scrutinize everything.

They rely on people reporting. That is why I put the reporting link in the forum preamble.

HWZ is the same : In their forum, it is stated



The difference is that HWZ is owned by SPH where as sammyboy is not. They can therefore get away with a disclaimer whereas mine carries no weight whatsoever. In HWZ members are responsible for their own posts. In sammyboy, I am responsible for everyone's posts.

The reason why HWZ can get away is that anyone who does something that is out of line and investigated by the police will have their particulars and ip handed over by HWZ.

If you can do the same, you will not be able to be responsible for everyone's post. But if you choose to protect people who flout the law, then can't really blame on the difference

[picco]

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting.

However, the harsh reality of having to pay the bills every month meant that by 2005, providing a free service was no longer a viable option.

There are many ways to make a site survive. Even wikipedia does collect donations.
But if you choose to collect advertisements, then you need to select advertisers and advertisements which do not flout the law, however, the majority of your advertisers does flout the rule.

The authorities are not clamping down on you talking about the legal sites nor the adult discussions. But they are clamping down because FLs operate in venues which are in heartland via using your platform to advertise. Your site is a hotbed for them.

So somehow or another if you want to collect advertisements, you need to regulate your advertisers or else they run blatant and you be caught responsible for their actions which you can't say you are not aware. Being ignorant of what has happened in some cases which you quoted, is not a good enough excuse.

Even eradicating pimps and getting FLs to advertise themselves will still bring the whole issue back to square one.

Lastly, you need to realise the root of the issue and nip the bud.

[pawned]

I believe this is my virgin post since joining in 2010. Thank you boss Sam for not culling me.

This forum has been a great part of my daily life. Especially reading those stories from bros like BMW, ilock, b52bomber and many more in the Adult Discussion. Kudos to all these bro for their fanatic stories!

I hope that this forum will go on for many years to come.

Good Luck and Thank You to boss Sam in pushing this forum as a better place for everyone.

[Jtjan]

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting.

However, the harsh reality of having to pay the bills every month meant that by 2005, providing a free service was no longer a viable option.

Hi boss, u have done very well all these while.
You have also explained quite clearly in previous posts how it became impossible to provide free service. I just wanna say I appreciate your efforts.

You are caught in a situation where any number of websites will be made an example of because of a few bad apples. Those guys who continually risk criminal prosecution to take upskirts for Rep points are simply juvenile. There is nothing no Moderators can do about it. As for pimping, it has operated on a "grey" area of the law for a long time.

It is unfair to take the moderator to task for the postings of individual forumers. How do we solve the issue? I guess downsizing is inevitable. It is a shame that it has to come to this.

I think the idea of restricting new members is a good idea. And maybe making this a paid site will ensure the age limit of 21yo in future.

Not good with suggestions, just my thoughts!
May this site continue to thrive within the legal boundaries!

[Summerhillt]

Okay, why Sbf is under the limelight now? In the first place, Singapore is still considered a very conservative society. You do not go around and tell your colleagues or those hi bye friends which hooker you have been fucking. How was it? She gave you a good rimjob perhaps?

So sbf became the perfect outlet to share your views and whatsoever comments followed. Yes, sharing sexual discussions online is not frowned upon but best done behind closed doors or among some like minded friends..

So pop! Explosion of the forum. Being such a tight society,having sbf around is like your little secrect. You can post behind a comp and be your keyboard warrior.

To maintain this traffic and server boss Sam has to find revenues. Nothing is free in this world. So came ads,sponsorships for online whores and used to have online bookies but its closed.

User generated content is the thing which is the hardest to catch. You can't expect mod and boss Sam to 24/7 police sbf right? I mean they have something better to do like spend time with family or whatever.

So the uploads of snipe, yes its nice to have a few pics but when you have it as a thread with people saying " good job bro! Well done! Love to see more! " This might act as a venue for crime to be committed. Yes if you do not get caught and upload here people think you are a God. If you get caught people say your a sohai why you so dumb?!

2 faced? Maybe? Let me share a recount. My friend was at this shopping mall in town. He and his gf were on the escalator, a guy crept up behind them and acted suspiciously. So cut story short, friend saw a camera in the bag. Pinned him down. Gf called police. Months later his face was on newspaper and got jailed. He looked decent and was pleading my friend to let him go..

What were the chances this guy was taking that photo to upload on the " you have been sniped " thread? To be worshipped by many here in sbf? Now he's life is gone, criminal record.

That SG judge said we are depraved. Yes we might be but we are not deranged.

P.S. - I still have a video I kept cause it was one of the most shocking video ever. This sbf bro upload the video on the infamous snipe thread. He took an upskirt video of an ang moh woman. Nothing much you think? He still can take facial shot and video his hand lift up the skirt, without the ang moh or public noticing! Really stunned like vegetables!!

[Big_sam]

Okay, why Sbf is under the limelight now? In the first place, Singapore is still considered a very conservative society.

Snipers/Under age video posted in forum/ Pimps in the forum. Conservative society? 80's ~ 90's maybe lol now is just wayang image nia.

Honestly speaking if Police wanna clear all the pimps stable listed in FL dome, they could have done so easily since CTC is so easily available. The fact that they only clear certain stables in the HDB shows that obviously someone is reporting those stable that they visited. My best bet are those Snipers that got caught are trying to do anything that could lighten their sentence.

Hopefully after the major revamp, Police/Media will stop pestering boss again...

[picco]

Hi boss, u have done very well all these while.
You have also explained quite clearly in previous posts how it became impossible to provide free service. I just wanna say I appreciate your efforts.

You are caught in a situation where any number of websites will be made an example of because of a few bad apples. Those guys who continually risk criminal prosecution to take upskirts for Rep points are simply juvenile. There is nothing no Moderators can do about it. As for pimping, it has operated on a "grey" area of the law for a long time.

It is unfair to take the moderator to task for the postings of individual forumers. How do we solve the issue? I guess downsizing is inevitable. It is a shame that it has to come to this.

I think the idea of restricting new members is a good idea. And maybe making this a paid site will ensure the age limit of 21yo in future.

Not good with suggestions, just my thoughts!
May this site continue to thrive within the legal boundaries!

The upskirts wasn't the main spark.
The main spark came when prc whores operated in heartland hdbs. And they were advertising openly in sbf via pimps who paid advertising to list their girls.

Sam had high overheads maintaining the forum, but lets not kid ourselves that he has not profited from the advertising. We cannot say that it is unfair that moderator has been taken to task for postings of individual forumers. It is the lack of regulations that has made the system in this forum that lax. Eg, what is the point of having reputation points when points can be bought?

With lax regulations, it makes the forum hard to maintain especially when there is high traffic.

The person who was jailed was found guilty of living on immoral earnings because he helped whores advertise by collecting a fee from them. Likewise this person paid this forum a fee so that he can advertise. And this forum is collecting a fee from him. There is no difference if whores advertise themselves without having a pimp representing them because eventually the forum and the forum owner are deemed as pimps in this case.

Downsize the forum to lesser areas will be better for a start, because the massive amount of work has become too much work for Sam and his moderators. By downsizing to lesser forums will make the work easier for him. And that is of course to start off by cutting out the illegal fl sections.

But its not easy to cut off because thats the main cash cow for this forum.

[picco]

Snipers/Under age video posted in forum/ Pimps in the forum. Conservative society? 80's ~ 90's maybe lol now is just wayang image nia.

Honestly speaking if Police wanna clear all the pimps stable listed in FL dome, they could have done so easily since CTC is so easily available. The fact that they only clear certain stables in the HDB shows that obviously someone is reporting those stable that they visited. My best bet are those Snipers that got caught are trying to do anything that could lighten their sentence.

Hopefully after the major revamp, Police/Media will stop pestering boss again...

If u stay in a hdb flat and u have a teenage daughter at home. Your next door neighbor rented out to prc whores to operate. Every day you get men walking past your unit, sometimes glaring into your unit with stares at your daughter and maybe even your wife. Sometimes u may even get men knocking on your door because they mistaken ur unit as brothel. Don't tell me you keep quiet and don't report police???



There is a reason why there are boundaries drawn for brothels to operate legally in geylang.

[sammyboyfor]

Lastly, you need to realise the root of the issue and nip the bud.

I am not naive. I've been part and parcel of this sordid (but necessary) business for a long time.

However you have to realise that I am not the root cause of this issue. The root cause of the issue is that demand for sexual services far outstrips the supply available at the legal red light districts which are shrinking instead of expanding.

I could close down this site and call it a day tomorrow. Do you think that the issues that the press has been highlighting will suddenly all disappear and the horny men will decide to kill their sex urges with a cold shower or a wank while the depraved upskirters will switch to landscape photography?

Traffic that comes here will soon find a new hangout at a new domain which may offer far more than worthless reputation points for some blurry snipe images.

In the meantime the OKTs will find new homes and new sources of advertising which could well be far more difficult to shut down.

I have never for one moment believed that my site was anything close to wholesome family entertainment. However, by making this a one stop shop for sexual issues pertaining to Singapore, the authorities could feel the pulse of what is going on then tackle the real root causes. Hell I even have a real doctor in the house giving consultation for free to take care of the sexual health issues of the cheonging community.

As far as commercial sex is concerned, the issue of illegal pimps is easy to solve.

There is probably currently a demand for (say) 20,000 prostitutes to service the needs of Singaporeans. Could be a lot more. I'm only guessing.

The current supply from the traditional red light districts is probably only one tenth of that number let's say 2000.

So what do the other 18,000 men do? jerk off and be done with it? Of course not. They look outside the legal areas for their kicks.

If Singapore can take the enlightened path, legalise the whole industry and license the pimps based upon certain conditions and criteria, the majority of problems will go away overnight.

In NZ, parliament has just passed a law allowing small signs to advertise brothels in residential areas.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11480341

Since the legalisation of the trade in 2003, there has been absolutely no explosion of vice that was predicted when the law was first passed.

If I wanted to become a pimp in Christchurch, I'd go broke unless I had something very special to offer the customers that no other establishment could match ;) The demand and supply are balanced and market rates have been established.

However, even in NZ, the PRC whores have invaded and are causing nothing but trouble. However, this has nothing to do with any website. It is because the PRC operators have absolutely no respect or consideration for the norms of society. They ignore the rules with impunity and show the middle finger to authority when caught. The root cause is their presence. The solution is to kick them out. However, governments around the world are pimping out their countries in exchange for Chinese money so at the end of the day, who are the biggest pimps around? :D No country dares to offend the Chinese. It would cost cold hard cash. When big money is involved, long standing values are always cast aside for a quick buck.

The clarity and legality of prostitution in OZ and NZ has enabled me to design professional websites that benefit the consumer and provider immensely. Just do a search, I'm sure it can easily be found.

This site is a mess because nobody in Singapore wants to take on the job of running it in a professional manner. I tried but I failed. They're all afraid they'll be caught for living off the earnings of prostitution whatever that means.

I am therefore forced to struggle with a few volunteers and nothing more.

If I could hire a proper team, I could do the following before I accept an advert :

1. Verify the accuracy of photos.
2. Check the location to ensure that it meets legal requirements.. warning signs, use of condoms etc.
3. Ensure health records are kept.
4. Set up a proper rating system similar to what traveladvisor has for each establishment.
5. Investigate any complaints regarding false advertising, poor service and pull the plug if actions are not taken.

To be honest this forum format here is not much better from the internet newsgroups that the singapore internet pioneers were using. It sorely needs a proper revamp and more control. If the laws are amended in an enlightened manner, I would be the first to sign up to the new paradigm.

I hope to live to the day when I can see this happen. :)

If it doesn't, I'll just stick to operating my NZ and OZ websites and life will be so much more peaceful and far less stressful.

[sammyboyfor]

Boss, your sticky says NO HDB FLs allowed, but what if the FLs of your advertiser is operating in HDB locations?

In case you are not aware, your PRC OKTs still advertising for FLs operating in HDB flats. Today I encountered 3 FLs in FL Dome 2 who gave me their location in HDB estate - Yishun, Punggol & Jurong. Finally decided to go GL to release.

Report the details via PM. I will do the necessary.

[pussylicious12345]

Bro, whatever you are doing now will appear like stop measures and reactions from the recent bad media coverage. I'm not sure the regulators here will buy it. Maybe you shld contact the relevant authorities and see what you can do (as a responsible web admin) to mitigate the situation? Cheers! I wish you well and let the forum continue for bros sake!

[coolraptor]

apparently i survived the culling. much appreciated.

i've been here since the early days at delphi, and i must say it is a real sick feeling to read of recent developments. i hope we survive this crisis.

i don't know which is worse. the curse of the PRC invasion, or the hipocrasy of the authorities and rule by cronyism.

but i remain hopeful that we will survive this crisis.

[kpkprivate]

The latest case is about some guy who was advertising on behalf of prostitutes and taking a cut. I'm trying to figure out a way of ensuring that the girls advertise directly with no middleman to criminalise the process.

Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not. Remove the pimp and the police are not longer bogged down by the sex industry.

service provider have to provide contact number, via contact number key into whatsapp, wechat or whatever chatlines, those without personalized profile pic will not be allow to register into the forum. In any case identical number is provided . . . You should know what to do boss.....

[sammyboyfor]

Bro, whatever you are doing now will appear like stop measures and reactions from the recent bad media coverage. I'm not sure the regulators here will buy it. Maybe you shld contact the relevant authorities and see what you can do (as a responsible web admin) to mitigate the situation? Cheers! I wish you well and let the forum continue for bros sake!

This site will never get the official seal of approval of any regulators. :p

My aim is to simply make it less relevant to Singapore so it does not remain the punching bag for all the ills of singapore society.

Right now whenever there is a court case involving pimps or perverts, my site is cited as the cause of all their crimes.

It has been happening since day one. It comes with the territory.

[CherryQQ]

The powers that maybe will never shut down your forum as it provides them an easy source of intelligence gathering. If they shut it down it will be harder for them to gather evidence for a raid.

[Totallyuseless]

The powers that maybe will never shut down your forum as it provides them an easy source of intelligence gathering. If they shut it down it will be harder for them to gather evidence for a raid.

Totally agreed:D

[Soh1973]

My personal views only:

1. SBF is a sex forum that shares information and not a porn site. Hence I don't see the need for the picture sharing thread. There're lots of porn sites available and if there's a need to view pictures, the current paid system to view "Pictures of our sex escapades" works well and helps to ensure no illegal pictures.

2. Caveat Emptor applies in everything including commercial sex. So why blame the forum or the OKT if one choose to believe in false advertising. I find it hard to envisage a SBF without the OKTs advertisement as where will the revenue come from? Charity or passion only goes so far until the costs starts eating into one's bank account.

3. To expect any form of disclaimer or undertaking from the OKTs that they are not operating in the heartlands to work 100% will be naïve. Perhaps what can possibly reduce the liability of SBF will be to require OKTs' threads to clearly state that they are not operating in the heartlands and it is then up to the forumers to act as whistle-blowers. However, this then raises the issue of accusations about sabotage and whether the whistle blowing is done in good faith. Perhaps it will then be possible for the FL threads to include a "button" that creates a direct mail to the moderators and if the whistle blowing proves to be fake and malicious, then the whistle-blower's membership will be terminated and his/her IP address banned.

4. End of the day. what will truly work is self-policing amongst all forumers. All the spamming, keyboard wars and dissemination of false information has to stop. However, for that to happen and humans being humans, we'll have to be living in utopia and not Singapore.

Just some thoughts. No offence to anybody.

Best regards

[sammyboyfor]

Thanks for your views. Like I said earlier if I could obtain a clear legal framework under which I can operate, almost ALL the problems will go away.

My website serving NSW has had zero issues with the law. The main problem is disgruntled johns who blame me when the whore refused to do what they advertised. They threaten to take me to court for false advertising.

I send someone to investigate and invariably it's because the guy had warts or sores, was stoned or drunk or was abusive from the beginning.

When industries are well regulated with practical guidelines, it becomes easier for everyone including the girls, the clients, law enforcement and of course, the webmaster.

My personal views only:

1. SBF is a sex forum that shares information and not a porn site. Hence I don't see the need for the picture sharing thread. There're lots of porn sites available and if there's a need to view pictures, the current paid system to view "Pictures of our sex escapades" works well and helps to ensure no illegal pictures.

2. Caveat Emptor applies in everything including commercial sex. So why blame the forum or the OKT if one choose to believe in false advertising. I find it hard to envisage a SBF without the OKTs advertisement as where will the revenue come from? Charity or passion only goes so far until the costs starts eating into one's bank account.

3. To expect any form of disclaimer or undertaking from the OKTs that they are not operating in the heartlands to work 100% will be naïve. Perhaps what can possibly reduce the liability of SBF will be to require OKTs' threads to clearly state that they are not operating in the heartlands and it is then up to the forumers to act as whistle-blowers. However, this then raises the issue of accusations about sabotage and whether the whistle blowing is done in good faith. Perhaps it will then be possible for the FL threads to include a "button" that creates a direct mail to the moderators and if the whistle blowing proves to be fake and malicious, then the whistle-blower's membership will be terminated and his/her IP address banned.

4. End of the day. what will truly work is self-policing amongst all forumers. All the spamming, keyboard wars and dissemination of false information has to stop. However, for that to happen and humans being humans, we'll have to be living in utopia and not Singapore.

Just some thoughts. No offence to anybody.

Best regards

[Soh1973]

To have a clear legal framework will be next to impossible.

The question then move to whether it is possible to remain within the realms of being accepted by the local authorities as a necessary evil to be treated with one eye closed.

Please correct me if I am wrong. The main issue here arises from forumers who outrage ladies' modesty by taking upskirt pictures and for OKTs to breach the laws by operating within the heartlands and in HDB flats.

Hence we are at a conundrum here. How to keep the authorities off the webmaster's back and yet be able to continue with the forum without subsidizing from the webmaster's personal account.

Personally, I believe the authorities to be pragmatic and if there are concrete actions and very visible tools that evidence self-regulation, they may continue to turn a blind eye.

Having said all the above, been a loyal fan of SBF since the Delphi days and I'll be very sad to see it go. Fingers crossed that the authorities will continue to keep a blind eye.

[SEAJ]

The middle ground?
http://themiddleground.sg/2015/07/09/should-sammyboy-be-shut-down/
Or just another weak-minded sicko trying to gain relevance by siding with the flavor of the day?
And do note how this supposed journalist looks like at the bottom of his BS
SEAJ

[Big_sam]

If u stay in a hdb flat and u have a teenage daughter at home. Your next door neighbor rented out to prc whores to operate. Every day you get men walking past your unit, sometimes glaring into your unit with stares at your daughter and maybe even your wife. Sometimes u may even get men knocking on your door because they mistaken ur unit as brothel. Don't tell me you keep quiet and don't report police???



There is a reason why there are boundaries drawn for brothels to operate legally in geylang.

In that case, how come such HDB services could spread to north,south,east,west,central? Some even use condo to do their operation.

Such news/reports always feature in STOMP/$$$$$$$$$$$$ but how come no action taken. All never report police is it but post in forum? lol :D

Maybe coincidence that everything just happen after those snipers got caught and admitted sharing their prized trophy in SBF. After that the HDB kena raid, also blame on Sammyboy forum like as if boss was the OKT. Then comes the underage video, SBF also got the blame. Everything happen in a timeline but that snipers got caught are definitely not coincidence but because of their action.

[IceSpearz]

ehhh hii... i been a guest member or a ghost member reading n enjoying the stories from bros for afew years now... it will be a waste if sg dun have a forum as awesome like this... hopfully my acc wont get blocked since i dun really post anything :)

[Wintermelontea]

2. Caveat Emptor applies in everything including commercial sex.

3. To expect any form of disclaimer or undertaking from the OKTs that they are not operating in the heartlands to work 100% will be naïve. Perhaps what can possibly reduce the liability of SBF will be to require OKTs' threads to clearly state that they are not operating in the heartlands and it is then up to the forumers to act as whistle-blowers. However, this then raises the issue of accusations about sabotage and whether the whistle blowing is done in good faith. Perhaps it will then be possible for the FL threads to include a "button" that creates a direct mail to the moderators and if the whistle blowing proves to be fake and malicious, then the whistle-blower's membership will be terminated and his/her IP address banned.


Caveat emptor only works for those who are diligent in finding out the "truth" for themselves. In the current context, some cheongsters are just too lazy to go and caveat the emptor for themselves.

As for the whistle blowing, it can also be one OKT sabotaging another? What is IP address now? With IPv4 ending for some big organisations and the introduction of IPv6 and so on so forth...getting another IP is not an issue anymore. How many IPs to ban?

Let's think it this way, there are so call clean massage parlours who at some point in time may also become the black sheep. How can anyone police this?

[Wintermelontea]

Such news/reports always feature in STOMP/$$$$$$$$$$$$ but how come no action taken. All never report police is it but post in forum? lol :D

Maybe coincidence that everything just happen after those snipers got caught and admitted sharing their prized trophy in SBF. After that the HDB kena raid, also blame on Sammyboy forum like as if boss was the OKT.


When you mentioned this, I thought of this - that Singapore is blamed for almost everything (bad) that happened to our friendly neighbour across the border. :rolleyes:

[sammyboyfor]

In that case, how come such HDB services could spread to north,south,east,west,central? Some even use condo to do their operation.


Some enterprising samster should set up a BANGBUS. No fixed location. :D

Client books the whore via an App which shows his location. The bus picks him up and they go for a one hour drive in aircon comfort.

At the end of the trip the client swipes his credit card and pays for his "city tour". :p

No residents to upset, no "premises" being used for vice. Everybody is happy plus the government collects money from passing through the gantries and from excise on petrol, road and diesel taxes plus 7% GST. :p


Police Bust Brothel Bus--Pimp & Hoes Arrested Aboard Mobile Whorehouse

MIAMI BEACH - The $40 bus fare was a little steep, but the chance to get lap dances and sexual services from the prostitutes on board drew plenty of customers onto a "brothel bus" cruising along Collins Avenue, police say.

The onboard party came to an abrupt end early Sunday morning when three undercover officers arrested several alleged prostitutes and Christine Enyoniam Afi Morteh, 29, the Pembroke Pines woman accused of acting as the madam who lured patrons onto bus.

The bus approached the officers two blocks away from the police station, police spokesman Detective Juan Sanchez said today.

"Undercover officers were approached by a woman who charged them $40 for access and all you can drink," Sanchez said. "Once inside, they were told about different charges for different acts."

Once the deals were struck, Sanchez said, one of the undercover officers gave a signal and the party was over.

The arrests were part of a nationwide anti-prostitution operation, Sanchez said.

From Thursday night through early Sunday morning, local police made a total of 75 arrests (68 midemeanors and seven felonies) and recovered money, drugs, a firearm and the bus, which now sits impounded at the department's Fleet Management Area off the MacArthur Causeway.

A missing person was also found during the operation, Sanchez said.

The charges against Morteh include offering to commit prostitution, violating a public dance hall ordinance for allegedly dancing for entertainment on the bus, transportation for the purpose of prostitution and doing business without a license, according to a police report.

Also arrested:

Scott Clyde, 41, Pembroke Pines: transportation for the purpose of prostitution; possession of a controlled substance (6 pills of Viagra); deriving support from the proceeds of prostitution; dance hall violation.

Kimberly Daniels, 23, Pembroke Pines: offering to commit prostitution; dance hall violation.

Leah Harris, 25, Pembroke Pines: doing business without a license; dance hall violation.

Leighann Redding, 24, New Haven, Conn.: offering to commit prostitution; dance hall violation.

Princess Thigpen, 24, Brooklyn, N.Y.: doing business without a license; dance hall violation.

Sanchez said police became aware of the bus during the anti-prostitution crackdown.

Three women on the bus approached the undercover officers and told them they could get on the bus for $40 each, which would include all they could drink.

The officers got on the bus, which was equipped with leather seats and a wide-screen television, the police report said.

They paid one of the women, who turned over the money to Scott, police said.

While on board, the officers were told of the various services available and the prices: $10 for a stand-up dance, $20 for a lap dance, and $125 to get into the VIP room separated by a curtain in the back of the bus.

Redding told the officers that for $125, "You'll get your money worth," according to the report.

The officers each paid $125 to get into the VIP area, where one of them made a deal with Daniels for sex for $100, the report said.

Morteh agreed to give another officer oral sex for $100, the report said.

The third officer also arranged to pay $100 for a sex act.

After the deals were struck, the officers identified themselves and made the arrests. No other customers were on the bus, police said.

Police said they found $2,028 in a cash drawer on the bus.

At the Miramar address on the bus' registration, a man living in the area said he recalled the large vehicle parked in a nearby Publix parking lot.

"The economy is so bad, you find people doing all kind of things," said Randle Johnson, who declined to give his age but said he had lived in the area for two years.

A man living near a Pembroke Pines address for Morteh said he recalled seeing a woman in the house with a man. They operated a big black van with a bar and a TV in it, and the man assumed the vehicle was used for parties.

"They were nice people," said the man, who asked his name not be used but said he had lived there for two months. "She looked like a happy lady."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-625b...,3127085.story

[Forbes]

IMHO, self-policing may be one of the ways to go. I think we are kidding ourselves if we assume that the authorities do not know of this forum and the thousands of posts available online. The fact that OKTs are able to advertise their whores, whether operating out of private apartments or HDB flats is also well known to them. The authorities also know that the forum owner is merely providing a platform for OKTs to advertise their wares and is not directly living off the earnings of the whores. Whether the forum owner makes an indirect earning is however arguable since the forum owner levies a fee for the OKT to advertise on this forum. The mystery is why the authorities have yet to bring out the big broom for a clean sweep? Lack of resources may be a reason, but I suggest that the authorities might be closing an eye to things provided balance and harmony is achieved (as the Chinese say, water will always find its level).

If we as a responsible online community can assist to police this valuable website by reporting unethical, undesirable and illegal behaviour then there is reason to believe that the authorities might continue to close an eye to things.

In Singapore and I believe elsewhere as well, public opinion plays a pivotal role in the grand scheme of things, and the authorities have every right to give due consideration to public opinion. Upskirts and whoring out of HDB premises definitely offend public opinion (and policy). No one (with the exception of some perverts) would like one's wife, daughter, girlfriend (and ordinary friends) to be captured on celluloid in a comprising manner, whether downblouse or upskirt. I am also sure that for the vast majority of Singaporeans living in HDB premises, no one wants to live next to whorehouse.

I think the forum owner has done the right things by removing the sniping thread and banning OKTs and whores from advertising/posting services out of HDB premises. It is now up to the members to take it one step further by reporting such unwanted activities to the forum owner so that the forum owner can take the appropriate action (whatever that might be).

[Big_sam]

Some enterprising samster should set up a BANGBUS. No fixed location. :D

Client books the whore via an App which shows his location. The bus picks him up and they go for a one hour drive in aircon comfort.

At the end of the trip the client swipes his credit card and pays for his "city tour". :p

No residents to upset, no "premises" being used for vice. Everybody is happy plus the government collects money from passing through the gantries and from excise on petrol, road and diesel taxes plus 7% GST. :p


App Name: Uber Bang Bus lol :D Nice Idea but Singapore would be the worst place for the start up... The COE is crazy. If the thais have such lobang i dun mind sign up when I go there for my yearly trip man lol

[sony2002]

1) pay tax
2) hire someone prominent as board of director? (just like yellowpages that has escort section too)

[Spector69]

Why are we talking about the end of SBF when the forum has migrated to a safe haven and nothing much has change from before. Kudos to the wisdom in the face of intolerance to freedom. Thank you boss for not abandoning us. We embrace the new chapter of our pastime despite of the threats from the power to be.

[larue]

Take Sammyboy public!

[BTech]

Take Sammyboy public!

I like this idea !!!

[sadfa]

The powers that maybe will never shut down your forum as it provides them an easy source of intelligence gathering. If they shut it down it will be harder for them to gather evidence for a raid.

I already mentioned before that isn't the case.
If they declare this site evil, they must take action.
If the evil site still exists, n more upskirt photos appears n more whores get arrested, the authorities will get blamed for doing nothing.

And no one will defend sbf. Including the lazy cops who rely on this site to do their work.

[joejoewonsg]

KENNY34 persist on sharing upskirt materials. Urges ppl to approach him for upskirt materials.

https://sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=13299599&postcount=46

Boss, seriously PBAN him. IP ban him. The problem of the past will still be the problem of the future.

[wooo]

Thank boss, i can log on as well

[Abcdefghijklmn]

From what I heard, to be legal in pimp, you must get caught a lot of times until police give you the rice Bowl to open stalls in geylang.

Sex sell. But selling sex kill.

Bang bus sound good. Boss may give another idea to the local. Instead of Hdb, we will see a lot of classified ads looking for freelance drivers with van.

If this is being caught, is it consider legal or illegal?

[Acanthus]

1. Shut down Links/pics exchange sub forum. If they know how to access SBF, they jolly well know how to search for videos and images. Those lazybums can pay to access VIP forum.

2. Remove all FL Dome except one. No more OKTs allowed.

3. FLs will rent a advertising thread on a monthly basis on their own. OKTs trying to work ard this system will be ban.

Since it is renting an advertising thread, there should be no liability on the website owner to check if its soliciting, else owners of craigslist, gumtree, locanto etc will be affected as well.

4. Rep points are gained when FRs are written, or reports on illegal threads are made. Not just gifted by any Tom, Dick or Harry.

5 .Remove zapping, only mods can zap for illegal threads etc. This way, you don't run the risk of having unnecessary clone accounts.

Just my 2 cents.

[newyorker88]

From what I heard, to be legal in pimp, you must get caught a lot of times until police give you the rice Bowl to open stalls in geylang.

?


Are you sure on this?

[sammyboyfor]

What I will probably do is to come up with two versions of sammyboy. I am currently looking at how much programming work needs to be done.

The first version will be a bit more wholesome... still all about sex but without any hardcore stuff. It will be for the chit chat, stories, sexual health, matters of the heart etc, KTV plus the traditional red light district chat etc. This site should receive the blessing of the majority of Singaporeans. Hopefully I can set up Singapore company to register the site to and get some grassroots leader to be one of the directors. He can advise me on what the community accepts and what they don't.

Then there'll be another site where people trade images and those disgusting links that the pervs seem to love. This site will reside offshore and will be policed to ensure it meets the legal requirements of the country where it is hosted ie no kiddie porn, rape scenes, bestiality and so on plus Singapore traffic will be screened.

In this day and age, it is important to be politically correct and sensitive to public opinion so I'm moving with the times. ;)

[a2014]

Every country has its own law, apparently the content and the activities in SBF being evolved across many years is no longer in line or rather desire in the eye of the law in this land. The law maker may not want to shut it down immediately but for sure one day this will come if nothing is done.

Changing the site, trimming the site guess this is not going to work as it will take far more effort and dollars to get it done and again no assurance after the change it is still acceptable by the law of this land.

Leaving this site as it is but internationalize it to allow same features for those countries that accept the concept and rebuild a new one for this little red dot which may include the standard forum sections. As for pictures maybe still allow for those that has at least a piece of cloth covering the vital points. As for ad for revenue maybe can look at other sex related stuff like condom and sex toy so forum member can buy, I belief quite lot of such toy can be ship in this little red dot. Not sure for such items in this little red dot can advertise or not as I don't see any ad around but many shops selling. As for magazine, a little difficult be it digital or hard copy. The only issue is does it generate enough revenue to cover the re-branding and operational cost. Getting people to help running this infrastructure is another issue, not going to be easy.

Of course one other easy way is to shutdown those that the law do not want to see and leave the rest untouch but doing so will mean terminating the source of income.

SEX trade is one of the oldest trade since the birth of mankind, I don't see how this can disappear from the surface of earth. It's only mankind to manage and administrate it within the framework of individual law.

[ilikeoldchangke]

Hopefully I can set up Singapore company to register the site to and get some grassroots leader to be one of the directors. He can advise me on what the community accepts and what they don't.



That's a good one. hahah

Can i suggest you staff the company with stay at home mums, start paying CPFs and accept intern-ship from the tertiary institution as well


Perhaps a 'meet the samsters' session once every few months to understand the needs and voices on the ground.


You should get a PBM medal in no time.... :D




Jokes aside.



Will the FL and okt ads still be on the 1st wholesome site ? I don't see it being mentioned in the description, i believe they are the main source of revenue for maintaining the forum, if they are gone, how would you generate the revenue to upkeep the site ?


It might not be a very welcomed move but access to certain threads should be via paid membership only. Just to illustrate an example; Local FL dome.

Some might argue why is there a need to pay to view the info since the advertisers already paid to list their services. Perhaps in this instance, there can be 2 layers of information on the thread.



1st layer is free.


Information about the FL can include, nationality, race, preferences, age, dos and don'ts, some body stats, maybe a couple of partial FRs


Even guest visitors who have the intention to engage the service of these professionals, should be able to glimpse enough information to make a decision.

You roughly know what you want, chinese, malay, indian, mixed, age, the basic info should narrow down your list.


The decision might not necessary be to engage directly, but instead, generate enough interest to view the 2nd layer of information which is via membership.





2nd layer can include ;


Pictures, live pic, full FR, more detailed description, personality and so on and so forth. In fact i propose to add more than just pictures of the girl. Perhaps every FR can have the option of having a body pic of the client and the FL, maybe sitting on the lap, hugging, holding hands.

These premium FR with pics will be rewarded with credits / hilton honor points or something. :D qoo10 market offers stamps for reviews with pictures.

We should move beyond using just words for truthful FRs. This eliminates the success rate of bait and switch OKT or those who uses fake pictures. It just takes 1-2 FR with pics and your game is up. It's not hard to tell if the pics and person is different.


As for fake FRs, it's impossible to avoid them completely but if the option of FR with pics takes off, i believe potential clients would be able to make a more informed choice.


The more FR with pics a OKT with good rep has, his advertising rates comes down accordingly.

OKT of the year gets a few months of free ads.


For regular forum goers who leave a FR with pic, his access to the paid section gets lengthened. For eg with a initial 30 days access, each FR adds 2 days to his membership.

Initial 30 day access can start at $30 for example.


Divide it , it cost you a dollar to view the full information. If you are planning to spend 3-600 on a session. $1 is a small price to pay.

Hell people might just pay to ogle at the pictures.



It's not a lot of money, but if you get a base of subscribers big enough, it should be able to generate a decent amount of revenue.



Not sure how viable is this but i guess everyone just needs to throw in their ideas for now. Perhaps a little bit of each suggestion might just take off into something big in the near future.


My 2 cents....
:)

[IwantbustyKim]

How you gonna make money from the wholesome site if there are no ads from OKTs?

Legally, there is such a thing as a Shadow Director law in Singapore, e.g. you cannot have a puppet director in Singapore that manages the local site and which also sends traffic to your offshore non-legal SG site. The SG director and in extension you will be implicated.

I think it would be better to have the whole enterprise shifted off-shore outside of Singapore regulations as it is now. Use part of the money you get from advertisements to pay for virtual contractors who can help to police the site.

What I will probably do is to come up with two versions of sammyboy. I am currently looking at how much programming work needs to be done.

The first version will be a bit more wholesome... still all about sex but without any hardcore stuff. It will be for the chit chat, stories, sexual health, matters of the heart etc, KTV plus the traditional red light district chat etc. This site should receive the blessing of the majority of Singaporeans. Hopefully I can set up Singapore company to register the site to and get some grassroots leader to be one of the directors. He can advise me on what the community accepts and what they don't.

Then there'll be another site where people trade images and those disgusting links that the pervs seem to love. This site will reside offshore and will be policed to ensure it meets the legal requirements of the country where it is hosted ie no kiddie porn, rape scenes, bestiality and so on plus Singapore traffic will be screened.

In this day and age, it is important to be politically correct and sensitive to public opinion so I'm moving with the times. ;)

[sammyboyfor]

I'll do something similar to what I have done for my OZ sites.

The public pages are free and everyone can view them... these will include listings of escorts and massage services similar to what you see in the yellow pages of which Mah Bow Tan is a director. If that is lawful then my site will be lawful too.

However, those who want more details have to sign in for a small fee for the more juicy details. The sign in will take them to a separate site.

I need to see whether I can use the same script with modifications or whether I have to rework the whole system.

Take a look at what I have done for www.newzealandgirls.co.nz.

The Premium Lounge contains the details and the reviews. The public area contains only the bare essentials.

It is quite common for companies to set up offices in different jurisdictions and adjust their practices according the laws of the land in which they are operating. For example if I had a Singapore company that also had a branch in the USA in the state where pot is legal, as long as I did not import the weed and consume it in the Singapore office, no laws would be broken.

The legal details need to be worked out by the professionals but I'm sure it can be made to work. Nothing is impossible.

How you gonna make money from the wholesome site if there are no ads from OKTs?

Legally, there is such a thing as a Shadow Director law in Singapore, e.g. you cannot have a puppet director in Singapore that manages the local site and which also sends traffic to your offshore non-legal SG site. The SG director and in extension you will be implicated.

I think it would be better to have the whole enterprise shifted off-shore outside of Singapore regulations as it is now. Use part of the money you get from advertisements to pay for virtual contractors who can help to police the site.

[yinyang]

...public pages are free and everyone can view them... these will include listings of escorts and massage services similar to what you see in the yellow pages of which Mah Bow Tan is a director. If that is lawful then my site will be lawful too.
Good inference :D What goes for the goose, also for gander:p
...common for companies to set up offices in different jurisdictions and adjust their practices according the laws of the land in which they are operating.
Modus operandi, with spread of legal tentacles -business norm.

[IwantbustyKim]

ah icic... so i guess you will be moving the more salacious and legally grey stuff like FL details and nude pics to the paid site?

I'll do something similar to what I have done for my OZ sites.

The public pages are free and everyone can view them... these will include listings of escorts and massage services similar to what you see in the yellow pages of which Mah Bow Tan is a director. If that is lawful then my site will be lawful too.

However, those who want more details have to sign in for a small fee for the more juicy details. The sign in will take them to a separate site.

I need to see whether I can use the same script with modifications or whether I have to rework the whole system.

Take a look at what I have done for www.newzealandgirls.co.nz.

The Premium Lounge contains the details and the reviews. The public area contains only the bare essentials.

It is quite common for companies to set up offices in different jurisdictions and adjust their practices according the laws of the land in which they are operating. For example if I had a Singapore company that also had a branch in the USA in the state where pot is legal, as long as I did not import the weed and consume it in the Singapore office, no laws would be broken.

The legal details need to be worked out by the professionals but I'm sure it can be made to work. Nothing is impossible.

[picco]

I'll do something similar to what I have done for my OZ sites.

The public pages are free and everyone can view them... these will include listings of escorts and massage services similar to what you see in the yellow pages of which Mah Bow Tan is a director. If that is lawful then my site will be lawful too.

However, those who want more details have to sign in for a small fee for the more juicy details. The sign in will take them to a separate site.

I need to see whether I can use the same script with modifications or whether I have to rework the whole system.

Take a look at what I have done for www.newzealandgirls.co.nz.

The Premium Lounge contains the details and the reviews. The public area contains only the bare essentials.

It is quite common for companies to set up offices in different jurisdictions and adjust their practices according the laws of the land in which they are operating. For example if I had a Singapore company that also had a branch in the USA in the state where pot is legal, as long as I did not import the weed and consume it in the Singapore office, no laws would be broken.

The legal details need to be worked out by the professionals but I'm sure it can be made to work. Nothing is impossible.

Those escort services listed in yellow pages are escort agencies which are registered. But majority of your advertisers are non-registered nor companies. So i am not sure how u will be able to incorporate your non legit advertisers to look legit in the eyes of law.

Most of your advertisers offer free sign up to their platform because they are selling goods. Segregating premium with public, will generate income for u, because there will be people who will pay. But for most of your advertisers, it probably doesn't add value to them because they are doing direct sales where its hit and run for them. They need the traffic, not a money wall.

Generally the authorities have no problem with prostitutes nor prostitution. The only issue the authorities have is against pimps. And the sad thing is they look upon your forum as the father of all pimps, which put it simply the biggest pimp.
Sometimes we may think that by things falling in place without falling foul of law means being safe. But obviously the law interprets the way the authorities want to read it, not how we want to read it.

[zeusfist]

That's a good one. hahah

Can i suggest you staff the company with stay at home mums, start paying CPFs and accept intern-ship from the tertiary institution as well


Perhaps a 'meet the samsters' session once every few months to understand the needs and voices on the ground.


You should get a PBM medal in no time.... :D


:)

If he does that, confirm a BBM.... LoL.

But many bros have pointed out a two tier system, perhaps we can try that out...

[mav150970]

Dear boss,
Just my two cents worth. Quickly implement it before some bloody MP
raises this issues in parliament to gain brownie points from the public
sentiments as the general elections are fast approaching seeing this year
is the jubilee year for singapore. Anything can happen.

[sammyboyfor]

Dear boss,
Just my two cents worth. Quickly implement it before some bloody MP
raises this issues in parliament to gain brownie points from the public
sentiments as the general elections are fast approaching seeing this year
is the jubilee year for singapore. Anything can happen.

Apart from removing the site from the face of this earth, nothing I do can prevent someone making political capital out of the situation if they so choose.

[TohYH]

Sam

Whatever people do here are not your fault lah! Why so border?

[FishingPartner]

What is wrong with u people? You are making knee-jerk reaction. The site is ok as it is. The filters are inplaced and more refinements will follow. I suspect gament's self-interest won't allow the site be shut down.

[FishingPartner]

After the Auditor General's report, there are too much shit to be clean up within the organisations.

[FishingPartner]

1. Police investigation on NLB. Someone dig who is the MP in charge .
2. NPB - multi-million dollar of Mickey Mouse transactions just one project alone- garden by the bay. If you can't keep your own garden in order don't go and finger points other's garden.
3. Khaw's GRC got filth too. One of his CCC's chairperson did not declare interest. And make personal claims. This is a tip of the ice berg. I am sure 'other' GRC will have a field's day. Chey, own garden is so deep in shit. Who knows, maybe got other thing to uncover. PA as an operator is clueless if they are overcharged by tuition Operators or not. Looks like their SAP system need overhaul. This site vendor system is so efficient ,if you give a hooker a dollar less,you will get fark by OKTs.


So now u worry if the site is going to be ban? Please give the boss some credit please, he is the most law abiding citizen. Cheer boss.

[FishingPartner]

How many time did you otang your OKT?

PA vendor got millions of bad debts running in : 60 days, 90 days and 180 days!

Dig that. Pot calling the kettle black! Now Silvia Lim can beat the dog.

[sadfa]

What is wrong with u people? You are making knee-jerk reaction. The site is ok as it is. The filters are inplaced and more refinements will follow. I suspect gament's self-interest won't allow the site be shut down.

You go tell sammyboy its knee jerk Lo.
He obviously taking it seriously.

I don't know wad self interest you referring to.
Gov don't need this to find their whores.
The judge already said how depraved this site is.
Unless you think t gov will say depraved is ok or t judge talk cock, something must be done right

[sadfa]

How many time did you otang your OKT?

PA vendor got millions of bad debts running in : 60 days, 90 days and 180 days!

Dig that. Pot calling the kettle black! Now Silvia Lim can beat the dog.

This happens every year. Sometimes much worse than this. It won't affect t govs votes.

T civil servants need to work better n wake up their ideas.

[comm]

er...i feel the front page is confusing with all the specialty sub-sections and flashy random banners

i just feel that alot of the top half of the front page is irrelevant.....

Most of us are just using the geylang, healthcare massage, FL 1,2,3,L and orgy threads for finding bonks

and the adult discussion, matters of the heart, sexual health, newbie issues for reading stories, toking cock and other stuff

i think the most used threads should be on top and the more specialized sub sections below

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also....i support ur recent moves on hdb operators and the upskirt pics...

[sugardad]

I just miss the delphi days....Advert free, real info . but money has to be made. Sammy cant do it for free.

[nothuman]

What I will probably do is to come up with two versions of sammyboy. I am currently looking at how much programming work needs to be done.

The first version will be a bit more wholesome... still all about sex but without any hardcore stuff. It will be for the chit chat, stories, sexual health, matters of the heart etc, KTV plus the traditional red light district chat etc. This site should receive the blessing of the majority of Singaporeans. Hopefully I can set up Singapore company to register the site to and get some grassroots leader to be one of the directors. He can advise me on what the community accepts and what they don't.

Then there'll be another site where people trade images and those disgusting links that the pervs seem to love. This site will reside offshore and will be policed to ensure it meets the legal requirements of the country where it is hosted ie no kiddie porn, rape scenes, bestiality and so on plus Singapore traffic will be screened.

In this day and age, it is important to be politically correct and sensitive to public opinion so I'm moving with the times. ;)

Support your idea. Keep going boss, we need this community and cannot let it die. This is where we learn most useful sex education/information which we did not learn in school.

[exge]

if they try to use child porn as an excuse, microsoft has a service that lets you identify all content for child porn. All you have to do is sign up at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna?cid=msnc-us

and pass all submitted photos through the API. then put banners big big to show that you are using such a service. That should shut 154 up.

[manure]

What I will probably do is to come up with two versions of sammyboy. I am currently looking at how much programming work needs to be done.

The first version will be a bit more wholesome... still all about sex but without any hardcore stuff. It will be for the chit chat, stories, sexual health, matters of the heart etc, KTV plus the traditional red light district chat etc. This site should receive the blessing of the majority of Singaporeans. Hopefully I can set up Singapore company to register the site to and get some grassroots leader to be one of the directors. He can advise me on what the community accepts and what they don't.

Then there'll be another site where people trade images and those disgusting links that the pervs seem to love. This site will reside offshore and will be policed to ensure it meets the legal requirements of the country where it is hosted ie no kiddie porn, rape scenes, bestiality and so on plus Singapore traffic will be screened.

In this day and age, it is important to be politically correct and sensitive to public opinion so I'm moving with the times. ;)
I personally think that's a great idea.

[BlueFinTuna]

I personally think that's a great idea.

Don't suck up to boss leh. Tell me why u think it is a great idea. General statement backed up with facts.

[Beachsea]

Yea think its tough for Boss .

1. Bad OKTS are spoiling sammy names and also causing more police alerts.
esp when they hire irresponsible kiddies to work for them.

2. We are all horny shits, but some are way over pervertic arse that cause more stir in this site.

3. To be honest sammy has been going downhill , less the gambling section , bad quality girls, be it local or the other FLs.

4. Maybe point system we need to look into also, as some idiots really have high points and stirring shit here.

But i like this Sammy not just because there are sexy girls, but also to expose so called 'innocent', act all mighty girls etc.... its shows us that life always have 2 sides or more.

Meanwhile i all also think of some ideas , hopefully to save a great site.
was thinking of weekly new password updates directly to emails (those that are verified). An exclusive invitation to log in, any compromise, that guy will be dropped off the mailing list and he cant even look at the website at all ?

just an idea...nothing much

[FUYANG]

Prostitution ads online: Judge voices concern over 'flourishing' forums


SINGAPORE: A District Judge in the State Courts raised concerns over the existence of online forum Sammyboy after hearing a case on Friday (Jul 10) related to sex workers advertising their services on the website.

District Judge Mathew Joseph said he was "concerned" with the site, after noting "a lot of activities" were present on the site involving "young, vulnerable people".

"The site seems to be flourishing," he added.

He said this in sentencing 41-year-old Foo Suan Wee to ten weeks' imprisonment for living off the earnings of prostitutes. Foo had pleaded guilty to four charges, with three others taken into consideration.

Judge Joseph asked the prosecution to check with the authorities to see if any actions were being taken against the Sammyboy site. The prosecutor said that he would pass on the feedback to enforcement agencies.

The site was cited in a High Court judgement on Dec 22, 2014, where a freelance photographer helped to advertise sex workers on the website and charged them a fee for his photographic and advertising services.
>>> http://sgreviews.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?t=148&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&mforum=sgreviews

A check on the Sammyboy website revealed slogans such as "your virtual sex hub" and "commercial sex info at your fingertips". Threads pertaining to sex worker activities in areas, such as Geylang, Keong Saik and Desker, were present.

Sex work is legal in Singapore, but public solicitation for sex and living off the earnings of sex workers are illegal.

S$6,000 MONTHLY PROFIT FOR HELPING WITH PROSTITUTES' ONLINE ADS

Investigations revealed that sometime in September 2013, Foo had become a regular customer of a female Chinese prostitute before she asked him if he could help advertise her services on the Internet.

Foo then posted an advertisement on behalf of the girl on Sammyboy.

Subsequently, the prostitute referred others to Foo to advertise their sexual services. Foo began charging S$200 per month from each prostitute's earnings to advertise on different websites.

Foo would also trawl other websites for prostitutes and contact them via messaging app WeChat to ask if they wanted his help to advertise their sexual services. He would meet them to collect payment in cash before publishing photographs and information on such websites.

To keep the advertisements up on the websites, the prostitutes had to pay a monthly fee of between S$200 and S$300 to the accused. When he was arrested on Dec 19, 2014, the authorities found that Foo had helped advertise the sexual services of about 30 to 40 female prostitutes per month, making a monthly profit of about S$6,000.

Prosecution submitted that the case was aggravated due to the protracted period of advertising, the low-cost and high-multiplier nature of using the Internet, and the high monthly profits that Foo was getting from the offence.

Foo could have received a maximum five years' jail and a S$10,000 fine for his offence.

- CNA/ek

[Kobayashi99]

the issue is not with the pimps
the issue is with govt trying to get rid of illegal FLs
in the first place, if they have not raided geylang lor 8-14 , not many would venture into fl dome 2 , not only did they raided the whole place, they implemented the 2 IC thing on all hotels, this forced the FLs to go into living premises to conduct their businesses. also there are no streetwalkers now sad to say, they have been raided to death.

they only want controlled brothels girls operating in geylang.
my 2cents, the govt would not shutdown the site due to the enormous traffic and the repercussions it sets by blocking it

[LonerLoner]

2 cents here.

Shift ads from below the Sam's Kiwi Home into FL dome area. That is if you want to appear "safe". Since the people surfing FL section are looking for a night with someone, shift the ads there.

Continue trimming off sniping/underskirt pictures. They are the main reason on why our beloved forums are in the spotlight. It was too obvious when some underskirt pictures are showing the "scenery" of MRT/escalators/malls of SG. Maybe if you want to allow them to post, ask posters to further edit the background.. or just cut them off completely/place them into a special section where "rep" can't be upped/edited pictures but you don't know where are they taken from.

I want to say, thanks to Sam, I can maintain my sanity and fap happily. Thanks to great posters of Adult Discussion (great stories) and Link exchange plaza for avenues to just release it. Apologies if I'm offending anyone.

[facuv]

This is such an interesting forum for guys... singapore internet censorship rules are getting stupid

While i understand the need to prevent total collapse/restriction, how much to pay in order to browse for information? Wouldn't the lower membership result in fewer advertisement if everyone need to pay?

[howardhowardwen]

Hi all, I am relatively new to this forum and really like the information I can get here, be it sexual/non-sexual sharing of FRs, stories, experiences, etc.
I will feel really sad to see it kena attacked or polluted by bad sheeps

Read through the thread & some news articles, and I think 2 main issues are attracting public's attention:
1. Sharing of obscene materials
2. Pimping/OKT advertising

To tackle these two issues,
1. Sharing of obscene materials
Suggestion:
a) have more senior bros with good reputations (not rep points) who can willingly take up moderators role in sharing threads. They can help to vet through all the posts submitted with pictures or videos before approving/disapproving the posting to other members
b) have a separate sites for sharing among members instead of within sbf (like what boss sam mentioned)

2. OKT advertising
Suggestion:
a) separate FRs & banners into two different sections. Have a separate FRs section exclusively to paid members. Have the advertisment on another sub-site/totally different sites. This could help trim the size of the forum & any pimping will not be occurring on sbf site itself. To be honest I am currently not a paying members but looking at the current situation I am seriously considering of becoming one.. No free lunch in the world.. Even ntuc fairprice membership need to pay..

Other suggestions:
- promote more on values that public will appreciate: like safe-sex, against underage prostitution, paedophiles, sexual health issues.. To appear more "healthy"
- encourage members to do more reporting on posts/members who are breaking rules and regulations, and if found to be true, the members who made these reports can be rewarded in certain ways like rep pts.
- encourage members to report on fake FRs, fake pictures (similar to #2). This should trim the FLs dome size

Honestly speaking I think the attention on sbf is just a diversion tactic by the media.. On other more critical issues by government bodies or related companies. Sad to see sbf becoming a sheep to be blamed..

And sorry if I repeated any similar ideas shared by other bros or have my suggestions simply deemed as stupid ideas. Just trying to contribute even if it's a small one.
I really hope sbf can survive this round of attack.

Lastly, thank you boss sam for still trying and not shutting down sbf directly. Appreciate everything u and ur team has done

[limmm51]

Close down this forum for what?

[Icecass]

i read with great interest the comments and feedback being given regarding our beloved forum. Truth be told, i've been here for quite a while... here are some feedback/comments which i hope will contribute to this forum.

1. Sharing amongst chiongsters' is key. I read about the 'we chat' scams and then met one. Recalling my fellow bro's advice, i told the ah tiong bitch to shove it! Tks bros!.

2. Voyer pics - this is a no no... we will be dragged in everytime there's a perv being caught & made headline news of... let's draw the line at vivid descriptions as in one of the threads & nothing more.

3. Local gal pics - what can i say... how dumb can we get... posting friends, friends of friends, screen grabs, etc. of SG girls... words spread, dad/mum is some high power exec... website gets shut down... guys... seriously??!!!

4. OKTs - i understand the income stream for the website thing... but let's be honest... most of the pics/FRs are all fake man!!! I know first hand... gone to so many of them & my 'warm apple pie' ends up looking & tasting more like mashed apple... how do we protect the interests of our fellow chiongsters?

5. Rep Points - we may have missed the plot of the concept of rep points. I dun believe its at all effective as many post literally to beg for rep points... sad but true.

Moderator, i apologies in advance for my rant and lack of constructive suggestions. In all honesty, i've not given much thought into what could work for this forum. I'll come back when i've got some ideas to put forth.

Peace!

[bros]

Is there something wrong with server plugin for ForumRunner app?
Seems to be getting lots of issues lately can't log in and access properly...

[ol'coyote]

try uninstalling then reinstalling...
tat worked for me...

[leoroar]

Been here for years although not much posting done by me...
Honestly enjoyed reading abt the stories posted by all the bros here.
It would be sad to see this site go.
I don't have any solutions that i can think of now but here is to hoping that this forum may live on