Why do MLs suddenly accept Raw?

[WarNut]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

[LordVader]

Cos you are the special one for her. #facts (https://sbfsg.agency/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=facts)

[WarNut]

Cos you are the special one for her. #facts (https://sbfsg.agency/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=facts)

I just wonder if it is an emotional decision for them, they like you they do. But cannot be so simple right haha? I refuse to believe when the ML say you special, especially when they are here to earn.

[Flight]

You kns loh, old uncle me want raw also cannot get, you get raw think so much for what ?
Its only do or don't do.
If you keep overthinking, then your next step is going to be kelantan clinic check everything.

[AUDIFANSG]

FEW mths ago visited one of my regular ML. It was her bday and gave her some red packet and brought along some whiskey as well. Fingered her till shes wet and she wanna fk raw. Fortunately i refused. Otherwise the next few weeks gonna have high anxiety and need to waste couple hundred sgd doing tests.

[WarNut]

You kns loh, old uncle me want raw also cannot get, you get raw think so much for what ?
Its only do or don't do.
If you keep overthinking, then your next step is going to be kelantan clinic check everything.

Haha can one Uncle! Like I said lo, what motivates MLs to give raw? Maybe you give more money can liao or be sugar daddy. Clinic raw or not, I still go checkup at least once a year

[WarNut]

FEW mths ago visited one of my regular ML. It was her bday and gave her some red packet and brought along some whiskey as well. Fingered her till shes wet and she wanna fk raw. Fortunately i refused. Otherwise the next few weeks gonna have high anxiety and need to waste couple hundred sgd doing tests.


Wah bro, her birthday still got present and alcohol! You must have a certain r\s with her lo. But still, I gotta respect your resolve to resist the urge sia .

[Grateful]

Cos they feel that having CD, there is still a layer between and and her. But they probably wanna make sure you are not HIV or STD positive

[colinkok]

I just wonder if it is an emotional decision for them, they like you they do. But cannot be so simple right haha? I refuse to believe when the ML say you special, especially when they are here to earn.

it's their way for us to quickly taste them lol

[Flight]

Haha can one Uncle! Like I said lo, what motivates MLs to give raw?

Why bother knowing their motivation.
Its what it is not that matters.
Say luv you deep deep you believe ? If you believe even little bit, gone case already, say anything also no use.

Maybe she gives raw to x rtfs.
Maybe she now preg, don't know who the father is, raw/cip with all the rtf people, 2-3 weeks later tell them all she pregnant, see who will be robert.

[deathnitez]

If got feeling deep deep anything goes. just enjoy if you enjoy. But is fear for me...

[WOOHOO]

Why bother knowing their motivation.
Its what it is not that matters.
Say luv you deep deep you believe ? If you believe even little bit, gone case already, say anything also no use.

Maybe she gives raw to x rtfs.
Maybe she now preg, don't know who the father is, raw/cip with all the rtf people, 2-3 weeks later tell them all she pregnant, see who will be robert.

WOO UPZ 👍 👍 👍

[wahhero]

true, sometimes it is the feeling for that person..that h
they give raw...I had my ml who gave me raw for a couple of times but never ask me for money...she just felt comfortable...and asked me recently why so long never ask her out to fuck...

[WarNut]

true, sometimes it is the feeling for that person..that h
they give raw...I had my ml who gave me raw for a couple of times but never ask me for money...she just felt comfortable...and asked me recently why so long never ask her out to fuck...
Wah bro you got game la, she even present herself to you nice nice. I don’t keep MLs contact to cover up my digital footprints as well as just keeping it as transactional as possible. But when I visit then she remembers jiu Lai liao lo

[WarNut]

Thank all bros for your thoughts and inputs. Ok the next question is, there was once the ML told me to shoot inside because it’s her safe day. Wah both my big and small headi sensory overload sia, but of course the shock woke me up and small head didn’t give in. In this case, I really don’t know what she trying to achieve, but this is a clear line that I would not cross. MLs also got big head and small head is it ? HAHAHA

[ahbey]

Thank all bros for your thoughts and inputs. Ok the next question is, there was once the ML told me to shoot inside because it’s her safe day. Wah both my big and small headi sensory overload sia, but of course the shock woke me up and small head didn’t give in. In this case, I really don’t know what she trying to achieve, but this is a clear line that I would not cross. MLs also got big head and small head is it ? HAHAHA

Your ML must be got KC with you …
This ML is just a massage lady that dun provide Fj to other ?

[WarNut]

Your ML must be got KC with you …
This ML is just a massage lady that dun provide Fj to other ?

Yeah she is a massage cum beautician lady. She told me she don’t provide FJ to others and not even painting. But, I mean , we won’t know if they are ever telling the truth right? Plus , I visit her only during her work. I don’t bring her out or contact her after work.

[warrior2013]

Thank all bros for your thoughts and inputs. Ok the next question is, there was once the ML told me to shoot inside because it’s her safe day. Wah both my big and small headi sensory overload sia, but of course the shock woke me up and small head didn’t give in. In this case, I really don’t know what she trying to achieve, but this is a clear line that I would not cross. MLs also got big head and small head is it ? HAHAHA

Shes comfy enough to let u creampie ( unload inside ) her thats all. Shes taken precautionary measure in terms of her biological clock timing. Its also unlikely that she wants u to impregnate her in other circumstances, even if she wants a robert and the dads not u dna check will already show the truth so she wun be so dumb. Just enjoy ur good affinity with her and dun think so much. Shes human with feelings too and she finds comfort and relatedness to u. Remember not to sink too deep.

[ahbey]

Yeah she is a massage cum beautician lady. She told me she don’t provide FJ to others and not even painting. But, I mean , we won’t know if they are ever telling the truth right? Plus , I visit her only during her work. I don’t bring her out or contact her after work.

At this ML sound like is more “cleaner” .
I got same experience with the ml from the clean mp that not even got hj services in the west .
Raw fuck her after the 3rd time in the hotel after her work .
But not allow to cum in her pussy cos she scare get pregnant and lost her job in SG.

[Res2Dent]

to pass you STD

[wahhero]

in my massage journey, I have encountered many ml who are willing to raw with you but at a price...only a few special one will give me the feelings/vibes that they really enjoy doing it with you and without money...some enjoyed sex with you and at the same time can earn some money as well...there was this ml who actually did not offer fj, the most hj..but after connecting with me, she let me raw her and only pay her hj price...another one just bj me until I cum on her lips and face, and she was stunned by the result and told me next time must warn her first...the next time, already inserted my rod into her, with her screaming no..no..no..I shot at her Bush instead...finally one of the best for me is this ml who works in the clean spa, after many connections, she finally agreed to go hotel with me...and I raw her for free, till now...but have to assure her that I never do raw with others...

[newswing]

I also don't know the reasons...
Remember men are from Mars and women are from God knows where

I just hope they do not seek revenge and pass us any STD or HIV
If they wanna secure loyal customers ..
Hope these women are on Prep and Birth control pills

Last but not least, if they accept Raw..maybe they will accept gangbang?!

[WarNut]

Shes comfy enough to let u creampie ( unload inside ) her thats all. Shes taken precautionary measure in terms of her biological clock timing. Its also unlikely that she wants u to impregnate her in other circumstances, even if she wants a robert and the dads not u dna check will already show the truth so she wun be so dumb. Just enjoy ur good affinity with her and dun think so much. Shes human with feelings too and she finds comfort and relatedness to u. Remember not to sink too deep.

I guess you maybe right as she mentioned that she’s also human and she have her needs. Actuall, sometimes I feel that some ML came here to work day and night without much off days, also crave for human touch, physically or mentally. HAHHA the day I sink deep is the day I’ll just plunge the anchor to her

[WarNut]

I also don't know the reasons...
Remember men are from Mars and women are from God knows where

I just hope they do not seek revenge and pass us any STD or HIV
If they wanna secure loyal customers ..
Hope these women are on Prep and Birth control pills

Last but not least, if they accept Raw..maybe they will accept gangbang?!

I hope so too, a vengeful women knows no bounds.
Yes, if they accept raw, got chance also gangbang liao. On the other hand, I also got QCQC during my sessions with her la, so you kinda base your judgement on whether she’s an easy one or not lo. If tio those first time meet then wanna raw, I think that is a red flag personally.

[hayhay]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

Becoz is not about money anymore they love u from there heart. She want ur baby. Give her one

[WarNut]

in my massage journey, I have encountered many ml who are willing to raw with you but at a price...only a few special one will give me the feelings/vibes that they really enjoy doing it with you and without money...some enjoyed sex with you and at the same time can earn some money as well...there was this ml who actually did not offer fj, the most hj..but after connecting with me, she let me raw her and only pay her hj price...another one just bj me until I cum on her lips and face, and she was stunned by the result and told me next time must warn her first...the next time, already inserted my rod into her, with her screaming no..no..no..I shot at her Bush instead...finally one of the best for me is this ml who works in the clean spa, after many connections, she finally agreed to go hotel with me...and I raw her for free, till now...but have to assure her that I never do raw with others...

Wah your experience my dream eh… either you’re a dam good puppeteer or you’re a 帥小哥哥 haha! But honestly, I can relate when you mention that only a few will give you the vibe that they do it not because of money. That feeling right there is really the best, no agenda , just passion to pleasure. Sad part is when they leave then you start over again, constantly looking for that feeling. Vicious cycle Ain’t it

[hayhay]

I also don't know the reasons...
Remember men are from Mars and women are from God knows where

I just hope they do not seek revenge and pass us any STD or HIV
If they wanna secure loyal customers ..
Hope these women are on Prep and Birth control pills

Last but not least, if they accept Raw..maybe they will accept gangbang?!

Last time I fuck a geylang girl before. She also never put condom and I cum inside.maybe she want my baby

[hayhay]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

ML I don’t know lah but to me is prositute, one month later u better go test combo hiv test at afa

[WarNut]

Becoz is not about money anymore they love u from there heart. She want ur baby. Give her one

YYESSS, but you know when cheonging hor, a rule of the thumb for myself is there can be no future between me and the ML. Funny thing is, there was once this ML who don’t plan to marry but want to have kids, ask me if I interested in donating my tadpoles then she solo grow back home. She say this service is trending back at her home country. Wah imagine if can monetise it siol :)

[hayhay]

YYESSS, but you know when cheonging hor, a rule of the thumb for myself is there can be no future between me and the ML. Funny thing is, there was once this ML who don’t plan to marry but want to have kids, ask me if I interested in donating my tadpoles then she solo grow back home. She say this service is trending back at her home country. Wah imagine if can monetise it siol :)

Bless u, give it to her, when ur son 18yrs old he come back and call u papa.
Ask money from u

I fucked a fl at hatyai she told every customer she use condom but one day we fuck and she climb on top of me and fuck.
Now I heard she has a baby but I ask her no reply and disappear from everywhere

[magill98]

Bless u, give it to her, when ur son 18yrs old he come back and call u papa.
Ask money from u

I fucked a fl at hatyai she told every customer she use condom but one day we fuck and she climb on top of me and fuck.
Now I heard she has a baby but I ask her no reply and disappear from everywhere

Most bro that raw, somehow may encounter cases where ML/FL disappeared after pregnant, and you will think if chances that it is yours. Or the ML/FL tell you it is yours and ask you what you plan to do next.

Just be prepared to face it, when it happens.

699456

[hayhay]

Most bro that raw, somehow may encounter cases where ML/FL disappeared after pregnant, and you will think if chances that it is yours. Or the ML/FL tell you it is yours and ask you what you plan to do next.

Just be prepared to face it, when it happens.

699456

No lah, I won’t accept lah. How many guys they fucke have to do a dna test

[Niku]

Most bro that raw, somehow may encounter cases where ML/FL disappeared after pregnant, and you will think if chances that it is yours. Or the ML/FL tell you it is yours and ask you what you plan to do next.

Just be prepared to face it, when it happens.

699456

Happen to me before,
I will congratulate the ML/FL/Maid, report to MOM and send her back at the airport. Must be lucky to have a half breed.

[Penguin23]

MLs are women, first and foremost and they have needs too.

Women tend to fantasize a lot, and with the guys they feel a connection with they will fantasize about doing it raw and shooting inside. Finishing inside and feeling your warm cum leak out of her pussy is actually something that is quite pleasurable to a woman, who already feels an emotional connection with you. In the later stages of a relationship, finishing inside and having a lot of your cum flooding her pussy is very reassuring to the woman, that you still desire her and that your store of cum is really only for her.

If the woman feels sexual chemistry when she is with you, she will be sure to fantasize about what it will be like being "in a relationship", and that fantasy will play out to doing it raw, shooting inside and giving you "husband service" - meaning she will do anything to make you happy.

In my own experience, sex will improve significantly over time, so long a woman has good sexual chemistry with you. It's not that she becomes more skilful, but that she becomes much more willing to do things that make you happy and sexstisfied. And nothing is more satisfying and reassuring to a woman to have her man cumming hard inside her and having a lot of sticky cum inside her pussy. This really makes her feel that she "owns" you.

Remember that to women, relationship status is fluid - to us guys it (usually) binary. A gf and a FL has 2 very different status in our minds, but to a woman one can become the other, so long as the feeling is right.

My $0.02

[Megafan1981]

Is the masseur Vietnamese?

Vietnamese ladies really love sex, and they really want to enjoy with the guy. It can get very passionate and can eventually abandon all safety precautions.

[newswing]

Is the masseur Vietnamese?

Vietnamese ladies really love sex, and they really want to enjoy with the guy. It can get very passionate and can eventually abandon all safety precautions.

I play with one Vietnam girl...ok
Not hardcore enough bit she try her best
I guess Viet are more pretty..furthermore can speak Mandarin

[melonfruit]

alot of them treated like tools. just treat them like friends see who gets along might get lucky and raw with them. if after only a few session say can raw i will say no and move along. after 6 months they give then up to how you want to live your life lol

[aki9]

the WL I tried allowed me raw the First time,and kissed me passionately.
Subsequent visits, she refused, but give me hicky on both my biceps.

Has anyone experienced similar ?

After I tried another WL in same house, she told me that i was rough ( which isn't true) on the other WL and treated me coldly since.

Does the WL's back stab everyone ?

why ?

[WarNut]

MLs are women, first and foremost and they have needs too.

Women tend to fantasize a lot, and with the guys they feel a connection with they will fantasize about doing it raw and shooting inside. Finishing inside and feeling your warm cum leak out of her pussy is actually something that is quite pleasurable to a woman, who already feels an emotional connection with you. In the later stages of a relationship, finishing inside and having a lot of your cum flooding her pussy is very reassuring to the woman, that you still desire her and that your store of cum is really only for her.

If the woman feels sexual chemistry when she is with you, she will be sure to fantasize about what it will be like being "in a relationship", and that fantasy will play out to doing it raw, shooting inside and giving you "husband service" - meaning she will do anything to make you happy.

In my own experience, sex will improve significantly over time, so long a woman has good sexual chemistry with you. It's not that she becomes more skilful, but that she becomes much more willing to do things that make you happy and sexstisfied. And nothing is more satisfying and reassuring to a woman to have her man cumming hard inside her and having a lot of sticky cum inside her pussy. This really makes her feel that she "owns" you.

Remember that to women, relationship status is fluid - to us guys it (usually) binary. A gf and a FL has 2 very different status in our minds, but to a woman one can become the other, so long as the feeling is right.

My $0.02

Wah bro, if this is your 2cents, it is a dollar to me. Good sharing.
I guess in your context, I’m still in the infancy stage of just doing it raw. I really don’t have the courage to even CIP cause of the complications that follow haha! But I do agree on the “husband service” because there was this ML who after doing raw, ask if there is any fantasy that I would like to try on her. Haha when you look at their flushed red face after the deed, you know it’s quite shiok for them.

Back to the topic, I assume you CIP so much , I believe you know the ML is on the pill before doing so? Sometimes, I wonder whether a men or women mind is more dirty haha.

[WarNut]

Is the masseur Vietnamese?

Vietnamese ladies really love sex, and they really want to enjoy with the guy. It can get very passionate and can eventually abandon all safety precautions.

I had a viet recently and she told me to take off cap cause she say I seem the type who can’t cum with it on. So is this passion or just doing her job HAHA?

[WarNut]

the WL I tried allowed me raw the First time,and missed me passionately.
Subsequent visits, she refused, but give me hicky on both my biceps.

Has anyone experienced similar ?

After I tried another WL in same house, she told me that i was rough ( which isn't true) on the other WL and treated me coldly since.

Does the WL's back stab everyone ?

why ?

I can share something quite similar. So this ML let me raw after visiting her a few times, but the next session with her affter that particular raw session, she did not give it to me. She just told me that we will raw again when she comes back to SG. I feel that in this case, maybe it was just the heat of the moment since they work and work and, also crave the human flesh. On the other hand, they know how to keep you at the edge of their fingertips which makes you crave for them more.The one I had was the shop Ang Pai btw, so she got loads of customer.

Hmm WLs, if friends, usually are quite close cause they are the only social circle they have in the country, plus they hang out a lot after work. They certainly talk about everyone and anyone , they sometimes even backstab their own colleagues for the upper hand. But bro, I don’t think you have to go there la, most importantly don’t get KCed.

[Penguin23]

Wah bro, if this is your 2cents, it is a dollar to me. Good sharing.
I guess in your context, I’m still in the infancy stage of just doing it raw. I really don’t have the courage to even CIP cause of the complications that follow haha! But I do agree on the “husband service” because there was this ML who after doing raw, ask if there is any fantasy that I would like to try on her. Haha when you look at their flushed red face after the deed, you know it’s quite shiok for them.

Back to the topic, I assume you CIP so much , I believe you know the ML is on the pill before doing so? Sometimes, I wonder whether a men or women mind is more dirty haha.

I'm glad the ramblings of an old retired chiongster makes senses to you - happy to share. Re CIP and the pill - the short answer is, I don't know and it's not really for me to know.

MLs who raw with you are usually emotionally interested in giving you a "chance" - they want to see, if they can imagine a life with you and whether the "relationship" feels right. So in this context, they take a first step in not treating you as more than just a "customer". Remember I said before, for a girl the guy's status in her life can be very fluid. Try not to "make sense" of what they are thinking, using the context of a man's mind. Just remember that the ultimate control of pregnancy is within the girl's control, and you just need to enjoy the journey and (try to) be emotionally honest with the ML.

"Husband service" is usually the ultimate goal for any normal woman who seeks to "keep her man". A woman who feels good having sex with you will naturally look forward to "lovemaking" and will be more and more considerate to your needs over time, in her mind she is no longer "providing a service to a customer" but "emotionally bonding with someone she likes". This connection grows deeper over time, especially over the number of times you make her cum. Making a woman cum is actually the key to emotionally bonding with her, because you are asking her to lose control.

Once a woman sees you as "her man", then the signs of possessiveness will start (giving love bites, leaving "marks of possession", fantasizing about how your children will look like). She will also "treat you differently" and usually will show signs that she is "willing to submit" to you because she is "your woman". Once you unlock that level, then you are in serious relationship territory. A guy is usually clueless that making a woman cum has that effect, so many guys instinctively try their hardest to make an ML consistently lose control but few guys know what this actually does to her mind. There are hardcore MLs that can cum consistently without falling for the customer but those are usually damn hardcore (but not neceessarily) ang pais.

The way I try to explain - for any woman, especially one in a job as "dangerous" as doing ML/FL/WL/KTV, letting a guy impregnate you is a damn scary thing, because a woman is most vulnerable when she becomes pregnant. So if she trusts you to raw her and CIP and you really want to know if she has taken the pill, just ask her and take her word for it. And just enjoy yourself.

Remember, unlocking raw does not mean that she wants to marry you. It just means that she is willing to unlock that emotional door that comes with having a man CIP into you (and if you can make her cum consistently as well, she will confirm plus chop fall in love with you)

I love an ML with a "dirty" mind - she is usually sexually adventurous and very fun in bed! She is likely to also be the kind to initiate sex and she knows how to take control and to always cum. Unfortunately this kind also tends to be more possessive - she will "test" your faithfulness by how hard you cum into her, makes noise if your your cum is not "thick and sticky" and looks thin and runny instead....and also will complain if you don't "fuck her properly"

Cheers and enjoy, bro.

[Senorita9876]

I'm glad the ramblings of an old retired chiongster makes senses to you - happy to share. Re CIP and the pill - the short answer is, I don't know and it's not really for me to know.

MLs who raw with you are usually emotionally interested in giving you a "chance" - they want to see, if they can imagine a life with you and whether the "relationship" feels right. So in this context, they take a first step in not treating you as more than just a "customer". Remember I said before, for a girl the guy's status in her life can be very fluid. Try not to "make sense" of what they are thinking, using the context of a man's mind. Just remember that the ultimate control of pregnancy is within the girl's control, and you just need to enjoy the journey and (try to) be emotionally honest with the ML.

"Husband service" is usually the ultimate goal for any normal woman who seeks to "keep her man". A woman who feels good having sex with you will naturally look forward to "lovemaking" and will be more and more considerate to your needs over time, in her mind she is no longer "providing a service to a customer" but "emotionally bonding with someone she likes". This connection grows deeper over time, especially over the number of times you make her cum. Making a woman cum is actually the key to emotionally bonding with her, because you are asking her to lose control.

Once a woman sees you as "her man", then the signs of possessiveness will start (giving love bites, leaving "marks of possession", fantasizing about how your children will look like). She will also "treat you differently" and usually will show signs that she is "willing to submit" to you because she is "your woman". Once you unlock that level, then you are in serious relationship territory. A guy is usually clueless that making a woman cum has that effect, so many guys instinctively try their hardest to make an ML consistently lose control but few guys know what this actually does to her mind. There are hardcore MLs that can cum consistently without falling for the customer but those are usually damn hardcore (but not neceessarily) ang pais.

The way I try to explain - for any woman, especially one in a job as "dangerous" as doing ML/FL/WL/KTV, letting a guy impregnate you is a damn scary thing, because a woman is most vulnerable when she becomes pregnant. So if she trusts you to raw her and CIP and you really want to know if she has taken the pill, just ask her and take her word for it. And just enjoy yourself.

Remember, unlocking raw does not mean that she wants to marry you. It just means that she is willing to unlock that emotional door that comes with having a man CIP into you (and if you can make her cum consistently as well, she will confirm plus chop fall in love with you)

I love an ML with a "dirty" mind - she is usually sexually adventurous and very fun in bed! She is likely to also be the kind to initiate sex and she knows how to take control and to always cum. Unfortunately this kind also tends to be more possessive - she will "test" your faithfulness by how hard you cum into her, makes noise if your your cum is not "thick and sticky" and looks thin and runny instead....and also will complain if you don't "fuck her properly"

Cheers and enjoy, bro.
This is dope man

[ChromaticWhisp]

nice stories

[melonfruit]

I'm glad the ramblings of an old retired chiongster makes senses to you - happy to share. Re CIP and the pill - the short answer is, I don't know and it's not really for me to know.

MLs who raw with you are usually emotionally interested in giving you a "chance" - they want to see, if they can imagine a life with you and whether the "relationship" feels right. So in this context, they take a first step in not treating you as more than just a "customer". Remember I said before, for a girl the guy's status in her life can be very fluid. Try not to "make sense" of what they are thinking, using the context of a man's mind. Just remember that the ultimate control of pregnancy is within the girl's control, and you just need to enjoy the journey and (try to) be emotionally honest with the ML.

"Husband service" is usually the ultimate goal for any normal woman who seeks to "keep her man". A woman who feels good having sex with you will naturally look forward to "lovemaking" and will be more and more considerate to your needs over time, in her mind she is no longer "providing a service to a customer" but "emotionally bonding with someone she likes". This connection grows deeper over time, especially over the number of times you make her cum. Making a woman cum is actually the key to emotionally bonding with her, because you are asking her to lose control.

Once a woman sees you as "her man", then the signs of possessiveness will start (giving love bites, leaving "marks of possession", fantasizing about how your children will look like). She will also "treat you differently" and usually will show signs that she is "willing to submit" to you because she is "your woman". Once you unlock that level, then you are in serious relationship territory. A guy is usually clueless that making a woman cum has that effect, so many guys instinctively try their hardest to make an ML consistently lose control but few guys know what this actually does to her mind. There are hardcore MLs that can cum consistently without falling for the customer but those are usually damn hardcore (but not neceessarily) ang pais.

The way I try to explain - for any woman, especially one in a job as "dangerous" as doing ML/FL/WL/KTV, letting a guy impregnate you is a damn scary thing, because a woman is most vulnerable when she becomes pregnant. So if she trusts you to raw her and CIP and you really want to know if she has taken the pill, just ask her and take her word for it. And just enjoy yourself.

Remember, unlocking raw does not mean that she wants to marry you. It just means that she is willing to unlock that emotional door that comes with having a man CIP into you (and if you can make her cum consistently as well, she will confirm plus chop fall in love with you)

I love an ML with a "dirty" mind - she is usually sexually adventurous and very fun in bed! She is likely to also be the kind to initiate sex and she knows how to take control and to always cum. Unfortunately this kind also tends to be more possessive - she will "test" your faithfulness by how hard you cum into her, makes noise if your your cum is not "thick and sticky" and looks thin and runny instead....and also will complain if you don't "fuck her properly"

Cheers and enjoy, bro.

master wu gui :D

[Megafan1981]

I had a viet recently and she told me to take off cap cause she say I seem the type who can’t cum with it on. So is this passion or just doing her job HAHA?

I play with one Vietnam girl...ok
Not hardcore enough bit she try her best
I guess Viet are more pretty..furthermore can speak Mandarin

Not sure if i can share openly, cuz i can get zapped. No way do i condone raw sex, and definitely not with everyone else.

If you are comfortable with viets, you treat them ok, foreplay them well, have good sex. First few sex is definitely with condom on and they are strict. But usually 3rd visit onwards they treat you very ok. It's more like meeting up with friend. And yes, there are a couple of times where I test test and slide my cock and rub their clit and they just moaned and shut their eyes and tried pulling me in raw. Zero resistance. In fact, they got super wet and they said they also want to enjoy good sex too. Yes, they want it too because the feeling of raw sex is extremely different compared to being fucked with a condom.

When i intro some close viet gals to my friends, they don't even allow my friends to go near their pussy unless they wear condom. Need multiple visits + treat them ok. When i say treat them ok, i meant doing things in a gentleman way. Some guys really just push the ladies' head down to their cock expecting them to bbbj. Some just straightaway yank off bra and suck nips and then expect her to be turned on within seconds.

That's why in another thread in health center/massage sub forum, there is a thread where one particular WL selectively frenches her customers. Some said she never offers frenching, while others (me and a few others) insisted she frenched very passionately till i had to break the french.

There are those who offer raw sex for top up. That's a big no!!! Never do these raw please.

[ArnieArnie]

Last wk my 1st time got offered raw by ML. doing foreplay n rub rub with me on top n she pull me in to insert. did not ask for any top up also. sweet talk alot saying one day she wish to quit this line n imagine to settle down with me. she also claim she did not offer raw to other cust

obv i not going to fall into kc trap but sometimes wonder if i manage to reverse kc the ML lol. this time did not cip bcos she say not safe period. but she say safest is just after her period. i thot safest shld be just b4 her period :confused:

[hayhay]

Last wk my 1st time got offered raw by ML. doing foreplay n rub rub with me on top n she pull me in to insert. did not ask for any top up also. sweet talk alot saying one day she wish to quit this line n imagine to settle down with me. she also claim she did not offer raw to other cust

obv i not going to fall into kc trap but sometimes wonder if i manage to reverse kc the ML lol. this time did not cip bcos she say not safe period. but she say safest is just after her period. i thot safest shld be just b4 her period :confused:

Maybe she really love u and want to settle down with u. Love her deep deep

[rapier1978]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

You are the special one and they want to have baby with you Lor

[Megafan1981]

MLs are women, first and foremost and they have needs too.

Women tend to fantasize a lot, and with the guys they feel a connection with they will fantasize about doing it raw and shooting inside. Finishing inside and feeling your warm cum leak out of her pussy is actually something that is quite pleasurable to a woman, who already feels an emotional connection with you. In the later stages of a relationship, finishing inside and having a lot of your cum flooding her pussy is very reassuring to the woman, that you still desire her and that your store of cum is really only for her.

If the woman feels sexual chemistry when she is with you, she will be sure to fantasize about what it will be like being "in a relationship", and that fantasy will play out to doing it raw, shooting inside and giving you "husband service" - meaning she will do anything to make you happy.

In my own experience, sex will improve significantly over time, so long a woman has good sexual chemistry with you. It's not that she becomes more skilful, but that she becomes much more willing to do things that make you happy and sexstisfied. And nothing is more satisfying and reassuring to a woman to have her man cumming hard inside her and having a lot of sticky cum inside her pussy. This really makes her feel that she "owns" you.

Remember that to women, relationship status is fluid - to us guys it (usually) binary. A gf and a FL has 2 very different status in our minds, but to a woman one can become the other, so long as the feeling is right.

My $0.02

I fully agree with you.

I do my fair share of unlocking viet masseur. She offered hj to my freinds and i but i took it further. I find her attractive, tcss with her, massaged her instead and tickled her and eventually foreplayed and licked her. And naturally sex happened. The chemistry is there and she enjoys it.

And yes... eventually i raw her but i didn't cip her until a few sessions later. Once i cip her, durig the after sex chat... she suddenly became extremely loving. She sat close beside me, held my hand, lay her head on my shoulder and asked me why i like her so much. I didn't say i like her throughout all the sessions... only praised her good looking and elegant. And when i lay on the bed, she spooned position me and chatted and whispered just like a couple did.

Incredibly, when i woke up the next morning, she messaged me the food she cook... i jokingly told her i should see her cook. Then she said once she goes back, i should accompany her back to hanoi and she would cook in front of me and even feed me.

My friend unlocked another viet masseur and cip her 2-3 times. And yes, she also became extremely loving to him and will accept whatever requests he wants. I couldn't even touch her much other than a hj (expensive hj though).. she would reject my sexual advances (and my other chat group friends) while she happily accepts my friend's cip. She would even kneel down and gave him a bbbj cuz she would do anything to make him happy. He only paid the same rates for a hj excluding entrance. How amazing is that?

I really believe cumming inside them really changes the equation. They really will change and see you more like a lover than just a horny customer who wants sex. I have unlocked and up my fair share of masseurs and i can tell you... after i cum inside them a few times... they will still remember me and still message me at times even though i have not visited them for long time.

I wouldn't be interested in those "public toilet" types. They wouldn't have any reaction and remain motionless if you fuck them raw and cip because they are too used to it liao. Dangerous to raw them too if you ask me.

That's why i prefer to go for viet masseur because they are generally more selective. They do not anyhow offer sex to all guys. You have to find a way to click with them, break down their defense, up them, then conquer them and they will become meek and subservient to you.

[SirLance]

Not sure if i can share openly, cuz i can get zapped. No way do i condone raw sex, and definitely not with everyone else.

If you are comfortable with viets, you treat them ok, foreplay them well, have good sex. First few sex is definitely with condom on and they are strict. But usually 3rd visit onwards they treat you very ok. It's more like meeting up with friend. And yes, there are a couple of times where I test test and slide my cock and rub their clit and they just moaned and shut their eyes and tried pulling me in raw. Zero resistance. In fact, they got super wet and they said they also want to enjoy good sex too. Yes, they want it too because the feeling of raw sex is extremely different compared to being fucked with a condom.

When i intro some close viet gals to my friends, they don't even allow my friends to go near their pussy unless they wear condom. Need multiple visits + treat them ok. When i say treat them ok, i meant doing things in a gentleman way. Some guys really just push the ladies' head down to their cock expecting them to bbbj. Some just straightaway yank off bra and suck nips and then expect her to be turned on within seconds.

That's why in another thread in health center/massage sub forum, there is a thread where one particular WL selectively frenches her customers. Some said she never offers frenching, while others (me and a few others) insisted she frenched very passionately till i had to break the french.

There are those who offer raw sex for top up. That's a big no!!! Never do these raw please.

Thanks for sharing,

[ahbey]

I fully agree with you.

I do my fair share of unlocking viet masseur. She offered hj to my freinds and i but i took it further. I find her attractive, tcss with her, massaged her instead and tickled her and eventually foreplayed and licked her. And naturally sex happened. The chemistry is there and she enjoys it.

And yes... eventually i raw her but i didn't cip her until a few sessions later. Once i cip her, durig the after sex chat... she suddenly became extremely loving. She sat close beside me, held my hand, lay her head on my shoulder and asked me why i like her so much. I didn't say i like her throughout all the sessions... only praised her good looking and elegant. And when i lay on the bed, she spooned position me and chatted and whispered just like a couple did.

Incredibly, when i woke up the next morning, she messaged me the food she cook... i jokingly told her i should see her cook. Then she said once she goes back, i should accompany her back to hanoi and she would cook in front of me and even feed me.

My friend unlocked another viet masseur and cip her 2-3 times. And yes, she also became extremely loving to him and will accept whatever requests he wants. I couldn't even touch her much other than a hj (expensive hj though).. she would reject my sexual advances (and my other chat group friends) while she happily accepts my friend's cip. She would even kneel down and gave him a bbbj cuz she would do anything to make him happy. He only paid the same rates for a hj excluding entrance. How amazing is that?

I really believe cumming inside them really changes the equation. They really will change and see you more like a lover than just a horny customer who wants sex. I have unlocked and up my fair share of masseurs and i can tell you... after i cum inside them a few times... they will still remember me and still message me at times even though i have not visited them for long time.

I wouldn't be interested in those "public toilet" types. They wouldn't have any reaction and remain motionless if you fuck them raw and cip because they are too used to it liao. Dangerous to raw them too if you ask me.

That's why i prefer to go for viet masseur because they are generally more selective. They do not anyhow offer sex to all guys. You have to find a way to click with them, break down their defense, up them, then conquer them and they will become meek and subservient to you.
Raw offer ML is difficult to find..
Raw with cip is dam rare ….so far didn’t got this offer leh.
Must spend lots of time on viet ml not prc ml.:D

[warrior2013]

Raw offer ML is difficult to find..
Raw with cip is dam rare ….so far didn’t got this offer leh.
Must spend lots of time on viet ml not prc ml.:D

true. Its hit n miss cycles.

[warrior2013]

I fully agree with you.

I do my fair share of unlocking viet masseur. She offered hj to my freinds and i but i took it further. I find her attractive, tcss with her, massaged her instead and tickled her and eventually foreplayed and licked her. And naturally sex happened. The chemistry is there and she enjoys it.

And yes... eventually i raw her but i didn't cip her until a few sessions later. Once i cip her, durig the after sex chat... she suddenly became extremely loving. She sat close beside me, held my hand, lay her head on my shoulder and asked me why i like her so much. I didn't say i like her throughout all the sessions... only praised her good looking and elegant. And when i lay on the bed, she spooned position me and chatted and whispered just like a couple did.

Incredibly, when i woke up the next morning, she messaged me the food she cook... i jokingly told her i should see her cook. Then she said once she goes back, i should accompany her back to hanoi and she would cook in front of me and even feed me.

My friend unlocked another viet masseur and cip her 2-3 times. And yes, she also became extremely loving to him and will accept whatever requests he wants. I couldn't even touch her much other than a hj (expensive hj though).. she would reject my sexual advances (and my other chat group friends) while she happily accepts my friend's cip. She would even kneel down and gave him a bbbj cuz she would do anything to make him happy. He only paid the same rates for a hj excluding entrance. How amazing is that?

I really believe cumming inside them really changes the equation. They really will change and see you more like a lover than just a horny customer who wants sex. I have unlocked and up my fair share of masseurs and i can tell you... after i cum inside them a few times... they will still remember me and still message me at times even though i have not visited them for long time.

I wouldn't be interested in those "public toilet" types. They wouldn't have any reaction and remain motionless if you fuck them raw and cip because they are too used to it liao. Dangerous to raw them too if you ask me.

That's why i prefer to go for viet masseur because they are generally more selective. They do not anyhow offer sex to all guys. You have to find a way to click with them, break down their defense, up them, then conquer them and they will become meek and subservient to you.

You done it right bro. We reverse engineered the process. MLs provide tedious massages alll day. WWe do it the other way round and the customer/masseuse link is temporarily broken. It works for the PRC MLs that I encountered before. CIP is not common but I had a few of them do that. For VN mls I nvr had CIP but the raw entry unlocked a few times. Paid the same. No extra. PRC wise had times when I pay only the entry fees. Some of them asked me to go back to CHina with them which I didnt. Now already married. Cannot CIP unless its Small3 PRC n shes on pills. Otherwise the situation will ice-cream( means go out of hand ) . It doesnt work on many of them but when u have certain affinity it does happens. The boring part is when they go back be it to china ot VN we have to re-do out hunting tactics and if luck doesnt permit ( wrong type , dun click, got outta shape, revenue drop etc ) we got to hold it for a while.

[Megafan1981]

Raw offer ML is difficult to find..
Raw with cip is dam rare ….so far didn’t got this offer leh.
Must spend lots of time on viet ml not prc ml.:D

That's the misconception.

They don't even offer sex most of the time. They only offer hj and will tell you no sex. You have to unlock them slowly. The way you talk, touch, kiss, flick hair, stroke, french, foreplay, lick are critical skills.

If you always visit WL, you won't be able to apply all those skills because WL offer sex upfront. If she's a ML, you must slowly seduce and eventually make her high until she buay tahan.

And even after unlocking, there's no guarantee they will allow raw sex.

[Skythunder]

true, sometimes it is the feeling for that person..that h
they give raw...I had my ml who gave me raw for a couple of times but never ask me for money...she just felt comfortable...and asked me recently why so long never ask her out to fuck...

U lucky can get free bro haha

[ahbey]

That's the misconception.

They don't even offer sex most of the time. They only offer hj and will tell you no sex. You have to unlock them slowly. The way you talk, touch, kiss, flick hair, stroke, french, foreplay, lick are critical skills.

If you always visit WL, you won't be able to apply all those skills because WL offer sex upfront. If she's a ML, you must slowly seduce and eventually make her high until she buay tahan.

And even after unlocking, there's no guarantee they will allow raw sex.

Agreed , we need to invest on 1 ml till her maximum output return.
Visit them more time , buy some small presents , bring them out for dinners and etc
Viet ML talk more on KC then Money …
PRC talk about money first ….

[newswing]

I'd suggest if u plan to go for a massage, bring along your favourite/ preferred condom
Whether the ML allows u 2 bonk her it's another thing to consider.
If she said can raw, also think thrice!
Even though Viets are also Asians with some Chinese culture, u do not really know what is she thinking. If she trying to put a spell on u or they have been trained by professionals...remember fcuk them, use them ...forget them!
If u wanna raw and then creampie her..well enjoy!
I'm not in position to tell u what's right or wrong or sinful!

[ahbey]

I'd suggest if u plan to go for a massage, bring along your favourite/ preferred condom
Whether the ML allows u 2 bonk her it's another thing to consider.
If she said can raw, also think thrice!
Even though Viets are also Asians with some Chinese culture, u do not really know what is she thinking. If she trying to put a spell on u or they have been trained by professionals...remember fcuk them, use them ...forget them!
If u wanna raw and then creampie her..well enjoy!
I'm not in position to tell u what's right or wrong or sinful!

Yes, I will bring along the rubber during my massage session.
Ever hit the jackpot to fuck the ml when finger her until cannot take it.
She allow me to insert her if I got rubber.
Covered the small head , doggie her till shiok shiok.
After that , just standby the rubber not to miss the chances

[newswing]

Yes, I will bring along the rubber during my massage session.
Ever hit the jackpot to fuck the ml when finger her until cannot take it.
She allow me to insert her if I got rubber.
Covered the small head , doggie her till shiok shiok.
After that , just standby the rubber not to miss the chances

I agree can get to raw, I will be high!
Make it creampie...let the sperm flow out and make her lick them clean!

[X123]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

Maybe at first it was because of necessity. until finally it spreads until there is a feeling. but I think the biggest cause is money

[WarNut]

I'm glad the ramblings of an old retired chiongster makes senses to you - happy to share. Re CIP and the pill - the short answer is, I don't know and it's not really for me to know.

MLs who raw with you are usually emotionally interested in giving you a "chance" - they want to see, if they can imagine a life with you and whether the "relationship" feels right. So in this context, they take a first step in not treating you as more than just a "customer". Remember I said before, for a girl the guy's status in her life can be very fluid. Try not to "make sense" of what they are thinking, using the context of a man's mind. Just remember that the ultimate control of pregnancy is within the girl's control, and you just need to enjoy the journey and (try to) be emotionally honest with the ML.

"Husband service" is usually the ultimate goal for any normal woman who seeks to "keep her man". A woman who feels good having sex with you will naturally look forward to "lovemaking" and will be more and more considerate to your needs over time, in her mind she is no longer "providing a service to a customer" but "emotionally bonding with someone she likes". This connection grows deeper over time, especially over the number of times you make her cum. Making a woman cum is actually the key to emotionally bonding with her, because you are asking her to lose control.

Once a woman sees you as "her man", then the signs of possessiveness will start (giving love bites, leaving "marks of possession", fantasizing about how your children will look like). She will also "treat you differently" and usually will show signs that she is "willing to submit" to you because she is "your woman". Once you unlock that level, then you are in serious relationship territory. A guy is usually clueless that making a woman cum has that effect, so many guys instinctively try their hardest to make an ML consistently lose control but few guys know what this actually does to her mind. There are hardcore MLs that can cum consistently without falling for the customer but those are usually damn hardcore (but not neceessarily) ang pais.

The way I try to explain - for any woman, especially one in a job as "dangerous" as doing ML/FL/WL/KTV, letting a guy impregnate you is a damn scary thing, because a woman is most vulnerable when she becomes pregnant. So if she trusts you to raw her and CIP and you really want to know if she has taken the pill, just ask her and take her word for it. And just enjoy yourself.

Remember, unlocking raw does not mean that she wants to marry you. It just means that she is willing to unlock that emotional door that comes with having a man CIP into you (and if you can make her cum consistently as well, she will confirm plus chop fall in love with you)

I love an ML with a "dirty" mind - she is usually sexually adventurous and very fun in bed! She is likely to also be the kind to initiate sex and she knows how to take control and to always cum. Unfortunately this kind also tends to be more possessive - she will "test" your faithfulness by how hard you cum into her, makes noise if your your cum is not "thick and sticky" and looks thin and runny instead....and also will complain if you don't "fuck her properly"

Cheers and enjoy, bro.

Guys, this right here is master Sensei imparting his wisdom to the next gen HAHAH! We don’t get free knowledge like this all the time ah! Must learn! Must up! I am really curious about “her man” , “husband” phase , but I’m not willing to go through the possessiveness stage and a certain degree of commitment haha! Don’t know if it’s a bad habit , but I always ghost MLs/FLs whenever I reach the FS aka Final Stage HAHAH! But one day , when I’m ready Sensei, I’ll break that barrier and transcend into that disciple who makes MLs cum and fall in love LOL.

[WarNut]

I fully agree with you.

I do my fair share of unlocking viet masseur. She offered hj to my freinds and i but i took it further. I find her attractive, tcss with her, massaged her instead and tickled her and eventually foreplayed and licked her. And naturally sex happened. The chemistry is there and she enjoys it.

And yes... eventually i raw her but i didn't cip her until a few sessions later. Once i cip her, durig the after sex chat... she suddenly became extremely loving. She sat close beside me, held my hand, lay her head on my shoulder and asked me why i like her so much. I didn't say i like her throughout all the sessions... only praised her good looking and elegant. And when i lay on the bed, she spooned position me and chatted and whispered just like a couple did.

Incredibly, when i woke up the next morning, she messaged me the food she cook... i jokingly told her i should see her cook. Then she said once she goes back, i should accompany her back to hanoi and she would cook in front of me and even feed me.

My friend unlocked another viet masseur and cip her 2-3 times. And yes, she also became extremely loving to him and will accept whatever requests he wants. I couldn't even touch her much other than a hj (expensive hj though).. she would reject my sexual advances (and my other chat group friends) while she happily accepts my friend's cip. She would even kneel down and gave him a bbbj cuz she would do anything to make him happy. He only paid the same rates for a hj excluding entrance. How amazing is that?

I really believe cumming inside them really changes the equation. They really will change and see you more like a lover than just a horny customer who wants sex. I have unlocked and up my fair share of masseurs and i can tell you... after i cum inside them a few times... they will still remember me and still message me at times even though i have not visited them for long time.

I wouldn't be interested in those "public toilet" types. They wouldn't have any reaction and remain motionless if you fuck them raw and cip because they are too used to it liao. Dangerous to raw them too if you ask me.

That's why i prefer to go for viet masseur because they are generally more selective. They do not anyhow offer sex to all guys. You have to find a way to click with them, break down their defense, up them, then conquer them and they will become meek and subservient to you.

In nut shell, our cum is more powerful then we think. Not only does it reach the ovary, it also goes directly to the heart and brain, re-wires them and boom “DOMESTICATED”.

But really ah , I don’t want to CIP cause I will be guilty and become vulnerable if really pregnant. Thus, I can only admire and visualise the eventful tales of others :(

[jackpig]

Not sure if i can share openly, cuz i can get zapped. No way do i condone raw sex, and definitely not with everyone else.

If you are comfortable with viets, you treat them ok, foreplay them well, have good sex. First few sex is definitely with condom on and they are strict. But usually 3rd visit onwards they treat you very ok. It's more like meeting up with friend. And yes, there are a couple of times where I test test and slide my cock and rub their clit and they just moaned and shut their eyes and tried pulling me in raw. Zero resistance. In fact, they got super wet and they said they also want to enjoy good sex too. Yes, they want it too because the feeling of raw sex is extremely different compared to being fucked with a condom.

When i intro some close viet gals to my friends, they don't even allow my friends to go near their pussy unless they wear condom. Need multiple visits + treat them ok. When i say treat them ok, i meant doing things in a gentleman way. Some guys really just push the ladies' head down to their cock expecting them to bbbj. Some just straightaway yank off bra and suck nips and then expect her to be turned on within seconds.

That's why in another thread in health center/massage sub forum, there is a thread where one particular WL selectively frenches her customers. Some said she never offers frenching, while others (me and a few others) insisted she frenched very passionately till i had to break the french.

There are those who offer raw sex for top up. That's a big no!!! Never do these raw please.

The $100 top up in dome one right, I hope to try but I also scared lol

[Megafan1981]

Agreed , we need to invest on 1 ml till her maximum output return.
Visit them more time , buy some small presents , bring them out for dinners and etc
Viet ML talk more on KC then Money …
PRC talk about money first ….

Again. Your way of doing is quite different from mine. Lol.

I don't even bring them out. I at most buy snacks and surprise them in shop. And no, I don't just stick to one masseur at any point.

You cannot just approach any Viet masseur and told her you want raw sex. That's crazy.

I can tell you what I do whenever I visit a massage shop or spa. I won't waste time to be massaged.

I will break ice with her by saying a bit of Vietnam stuff and show her my vacation photos in Vietnam. Then sling my arm around her, then let her see my mobile phone with my head touching her head. Then I blow a little hot air at her ear.. if she squirmed, I know she is easily ticklish. Then I attack her neck. Then I praise her good looking and smells nice. I will try to kiss. If she rejects, nvm. Slowly touch her body, tickle her inner thigh, stroke her legs, flick her hair, kiss her forehead etc. Then try kiss again. French if possible. Then go for boobs and navel... The rest you know la.

Just don't open mouth and ask for sex directly. Period!

[Megafan1981]

Yes, I will bring along the rubber during my massage session.
Ever hit the jackpot to fuck the ml when finger her until cannot take it.
She allow me to insert her if I got rubber.
Covered the small head , doggie her till shiok shiok.
After that , just standby the rubber not to miss the chances

Very interesting. But I won't let her have the chance to even talk to me when she is high, let alone allowing her to instruct me to bring a condom over. Lol.

If she's really super high, she won't even be able to talk or think properly. She will be oblivious to her surroundings, regardless of whether you are wearing or not wearing a condom. Get what I mean?

You can PM me and we can discuss offline if free. Cheers

[Chiongster23]

I fully agree with you.

I do my fair share of unlocking viet masseur. She offered hj to my freinds and i but i took it further. I find her attractive, tcss with her, massaged her instead and tickled her and eventually foreplayed and licked her. And naturally sex happened. The chemistry is there and she enjoys it.

And yes... eventually i raw her but i didn't cip her until a few sessions later. Once i cip her, durig the after sex chat... she suddenly became extremely loving. She sat close beside me, held my hand, lay her head on my shoulder and asked me why i like her so much. I didn't say i like her throughout all the sessions... only praised her good looking and elegant. And when i lay on the bed, she spooned position me and chatted and whispered just like a couple did.

Incredibly, when i woke up the next morning, she messaged me the food she cook... i jokingly told her i should see her cook. Then she said once she goes back, i should accompany her back to hanoi and she would cook in front of me and even feed me.

My friend unlocked another viet masseur and cip her 2-3 times. And yes, she also became extremely loving to him and will accept whatever requests he wants. I couldn't even touch her much other than a hj (expensive hj though).. she would reject my sexual advances (and my other chat group friends) while she happily accepts my friend's cip. She would even kneel down and gave him a bbbj cuz she would do anything to make him happy. He only paid the same rates for a hj excluding entrance. How amazing is that?

I really believe cumming inside them really changes the equation. They really will change and see you more like a lover than just a horny customer who wants sex. I have unlocked and up my fair share of masseurs and i can tell you... after i cum inside them a few times... they will still remember me and still message me at times even though i have not visited them for long time.

I wouldn't be interested in those "public toilet" types. They wouldn't have any reaction and remain motionless if you fuck them raw and cip because they are too used to it liao. Dangerous to raw them too if you ask me.

That's why i prefer to go for viet masseur because they are generally more selective. They do not anyhow offer sex to all guys. You have to find a way to click with them, break down their defense, up them, then conquer them and they will become meek and subservient to you.

Totally agree with you bro. Upped you.

I myself have my fair share or hits and misses. Recently , there is a viet which is quite new. We can click and you can sense the difference in her after subsequent visits. First visit hj with roaming plus light kissing. Second visit mild frenching. Third visit wild frenching with hugs and total roaming. Fourth visit add in bbbj. 5th visit paining, rubbing my bro on her pussy plus cim (which she swallowed and shocked me). We would continue to kiss and hug after each session and the amount I paid is the same every time. The chemistry is important do not let her feel that you are there only for pure sexual pleasures.

[Valdes]

Smart ktv girls don't go out with customers the first time or the second time, just saying.

[crayonshinchan]

Smart ktv girls don't go out with customers the first time or the second time, just saying.

Will want if maybe the customer very handsome and very loyal 😅

[chickenrice1980]

The $100 top up in dome one right, I hope to try but I also scared lol

There are some may allow free raw once u frequent them enough, those that doesn't provide 'special' in their menu. Gotta work your way through

[Megafan1981]

The $100 top up in dome one right, I hope to try but I also scared lol

Please don't raw WLs who offer raw sex if you top up.

[Megafan1981]

I think this thread is getting out of topic. Clearly, thread-starter was referring to his regular MLs who suddenly allow raw sex.

It is not about raw sex with WLs with top up. It implies raw sex is an add-on to the existing sex service and is a big no no to me.

Those "masseur" that offer sex straightaway on the spot... i consider them as semi-WL and not exactly masseur.

I am talking about masseur who work in either those with curtain partition, or those cat 1 type of spa that looks big and posh, with built in shower room and room door with viewing window from outside. They do not offer sex on their menu, and at most just hj and autoroam. To up a masseur, you have to unlock her because a masseur does not offer sex.

For those masseur, you have to unlock them as described in previous posts. You have to really treat them as lovers, then touch tickle them and then foreplay and lick. Looks, articulation, foreplay skills really can increase the chances of success. Likely capped fj in first session. Then after 1-2 more sessions, chances are if she enjoys and likes to talk with you, she will allow raw sex.

And yes. Masseurs are SELECTIVE. They do not let any guys up them unless they are desperate over money or something. It is very normal for one guy to up one particular masseur and a few other guys failing to do it. Appearance, how you talk and foreplay skills are really important in building chemistry.

When you foreplay the masseur nicely and make her wet, then you raw sex her and the sex will be crazily passionate, action-packed and superb. Remember, they also want to enjoy sex and want to enjoy with you because she trusts you. And because raw sex feels so much better than with condom, the masseurs also know there's a higher chance the guy cannot control and get a cip. And once the guy cip the masseur, she will be more loving but may also be more possessive and has higher expectations of the guy.

[ahbey]

There are some may allow free raw once u frequent them enough, those that doesn't provide 'special' in their menu. Gotta work your way through

I got a regular ML that I been raw sex with her for more than 6 months.
The very first time happened was because of the condom broken half way through .
After that we have been enjoy raw sex by pull out shoot on her tummy area.
Only cum in her pussy on her safe period.
She told me that no need to responsible if she got my baby ( so far so good)
Put aside risk factors, the raw sex is very addictive on this 25 syt with pretty face
Can massage ,can suck ,can fuck any position and the best part is can raw sex
Still paid her same rate …

[dcsch]

I got a regular ML that I been raw sex with her for more than 6 months.
The very first time happened was because of the condom broken half way through .
After that we have been enjoy raw sex by pull out shoot on her tummy area.
Only cum in her pussy on her safe period.
She told me that no need to responsible if she got my baby ( so far so good)
Put aside risk factors, the raw sex is very addictive on this 25 syt with pretty face
Can massage ,can suck ,can fuck any position and the best part is can raw sex
Still paid her same rate …

can pm contact？

[Lancet]

The thing about raw is, we very cautiously advise very much against it.
But when we get a decent looking girl, advice ? simi advice ?

Myself included :D

[messyduck]

I got a regular ML that I been raw sex with her for more than 6 months.
The very first time happened was because of the condom broken half way through .
After that we have been enjoy raw sex by pull out shoot on her tummy area.
Only cum in her pussy on her safe period.
She told me that no need to responsible if she got my baby ( so far so good)
Put aside risk factors, the raw sex is very addictive on this 25 syt with pretty face
Can massage ,can suck ,can fuck any position and the best part is can raw sex
Still paid her same rate …
She very nice and also really not a burden, huh? maybe she used a safety program from a doctor to prevent her from getting pregnant. because it doesn't seem like a problem about getting pregnant

[ahbey]

She very nice and also really not a burden, huh? maybe she used a safety program from a doctor to prevent her from getting pregnant. because it doesn't seem like a problem about getting pregnant

I didn’t bother to ask her if got pregnant or how.
I dun trusted theirs words e.g only you can raw sex or love you deep deep
Or etc .
Just enjoy this young body with raw sex .
Most of the time , just shoot on her tummy or boobs .
Only cip on her second day after her period .

Not intend to share this ML at this moment
Sorry for bros pm me for her contact

[aki9]

I can share something quite similar. So this ML let me raw after visiting her a few times, but the next session with her affter that particular raw session, she did not give it to me. She just told me that we will raw again when she comes back to SG. I feel that in this case, maybe it was just the heat of the moment since they work and work and, also crave the human flesh. On the other hand, they know how to keep you at the edge of their fingertips which makes you crave for them more.The one I had was the shop Ang Pai btw, so she got loads of customer.

Hmm WLs, if friends, usually are quite close cause they are the only social circle they have in the country, plus they hang out a lot after work. They certainly talk about everyone and anyone , they sometimes even backstab their own colleagues for the upper hand. But bro, I don’t think you have to go there la, most importantly don’t get KCed.
what's KC'd

[Socialsocial88]

what's KC'd

Kum Cheng means got feelings

[sytlover123]

in my massage journey, I have encountered many ml who are willing to raw with you but at a price...only a few special one will give me the feelings/vibes that they really enjoy doing it with you and without money...some enjoyed sex with you and at the same time can earn some money as well...there was this ml who actually did not offer fj, the most hj..but after connecting with me, she let me raw her and only pay her hj price...another one just bj me until I cum on her lips and face, and she was stunned by the result and told me next time must warn her first...the next time, already inserted my rod into her, with her screaming no..no..no..I shot at her Bush instead...finally one of the best for me is this ml who works in the clean spa, after many connections, she finally agreed to go hotel with me...and I raw her for free, till now...but have to assure her that I never do raw with others...

Usually they end up being free because they also feel attracted to you

[aki9]

Thanks Bro.
First 3 times, she allowed me Raw ..
3rd time, she gave me 2 love bites on both my biceps.
Subsequent Visits, she insists no more Raw, and tells me that I was rough with another WL in her same House - which I was not.

she even claimed that I secretly took photo of another WL which I did not.

I suspect the other WL lied to her.

how ?

[ghostcow]

I haven’t unlock raw yet. Only managed to have multiple 1B French and autoroam. I will practice more to reach raw stage.

[sytlover123]

Thanks Bro.
First 3 times, she allowed me Raw ..
3rd time, she gave me 2 love bites on both my biceps.
Subsequent Visits, she insists no more Raw, and tells me that I was rough with another WL in her same House - which I was not.

she even claimed that I secretly took photo of another WL which I did not.

I suspect the other WL lied to her.

how ?



either the other WL lied or he lied

[WarNut]

Thanks Bro.
First 3 times, she allowed me Raw ..
3rd time, she gave me 2 love bites on both my biceps.
Subsequent Visits, she insists no more Raw, and tells me that I was rough with another WL in her same House - which I was not.

she even claimed that I secretly took photo of another WL which I did not.

I suspect the other WL lied to her.

how ?

NEW PM , NEW Updates. Some similarity to this story, so recently I went to visit a ML who I rawed before and it was “unpleasantly pleasant”.

Before moving on, I need to add some context for this ML , let’s say Sarah for easier reference later on “ so I use to visit Sarah regularly and each time when she sees me, she always super shy and happy, it is like those Korean Drama moments kind of expression. BUT prior to visiting Sarah regularly, I use to visit her friend Ashley a few time who came to SG together with Sarah, but I stopped because Ashley is simply not a “good fu*k” after trying. However, I believe those two are very close friends because Sarah mentions Ashley sometimes during our session”.

Back to the main story… So after being away from the spa for awhile, I recently went to make an appointment with Sarah. Upon arrival, I was greeted by the receptionist( who’s also an ML I tried) and she asked if I had an appointment. I replied, “ Yes, today it’s Sarah” and she shouted for her” Sarah, your baby is here, No Actually, Everyone’s baby is here”. Based on this , for bros who wonder if MLs talk to one another? YES THEY DO.(every nitty gritty details of you).

Sorry I digress, now.. Sarah was actually just in the room beside the counter and when she came out, she didn’t even looked at me. Instead, without any eye contacts, she ushered me into the room. Back then, she always waited for me at the counter and greets me warmly during my arrival. I thought to myself, maybe she’s not feeling well or she’s just having a bad day. But deep down, I somehow knew it’s because I visited the other MLs in the spa after I rawed her.

During the session, we barely talked like we use to and the whole conversation seems so uninterested even though I tried my best to ask about her. Nearing the end, she just pop the GQ like an SOP “ What service do you want today ?” as if I’m a stranger. Since my tank is kinda full, I just went for the buffet expecting some raw sashimi again. So I got on top of her, did some foreplay and , she was stroking my dink against her p*say while letting out some soft moans. Just when I was about to go in for the kill, she took out a helmet from nowhere and ask me to wear. Okay I already knew this was coming, but I don’t mind since my small head is raring to go already.

So we did it for about 45mins changing from positions to positions. While on top of her, she keeps tugging my hips to thrust her fast and hard, her moans steadily increases till she could be seen as almost shouting. The spa eventually increase their music volume AHHA and we knew we were having a good time. At the end, she got on top of me and started pumping me while I squeeze her butt and open it up. I can even feel the liquid dripping on my hips and the helmet wasn’t even dry for a second. Told her I am cumming and she continues to pump even harder and faster till I shot into the heavens. We were both sweating like crazy and Sarah laid on my body for a couple of minutes before removing the helmet.

She stood up, barely able to walk and head for the showers. I asked her if she was tired cause she was crazier then before and she replied, “ if you are up for it, we could go for another round”. WOW what a Amazon, but I was already exhausted. Next, I passed her the money for her regular tip as well as the entry charges and when I walked out, I saw Ashley who then asked me for the entrance fee. I looked at Sarah and she said that I bullied her by visiting the other MLs(GUILTY, I visited the other MLs in the spa after I rawed her) and so, I should pay the regular rate. Cornered and at the same time accepting the outcome, I smiled, paid and left knowing it is the end with a beautiful beginning.


My take away from this, if a ML gives you raw, you probably need to stick to her if you want the same treatment when visiting the spa cause she accepts you as the special one. Unfortunately for me, I prefer my KKB to be a masterkey and a one-time use for any locks. Happy Cheonging Bros!

[loneyheart]

Never unlock a lock n get yrself locked in the lock :)

[Verizon]

My take away from this, if a ML gives you raw, you probably need to stick to her if you want the same treatment when visiting the spa cause she accepts you as the special one. Unfortunately for me, I prefer my KKB to be a masterkey and a one-time use for any locks. Happy Cheonging Bros!

She gave you raw to try to gain your exclusivity when you go to the spa.
Makes you wonder how many other 'exclusives' she has.

[Vanda]

She very nice and also really not a burden, huh? maybe she used a safety program from a doctor to prevent her from getting pregnant. because it doesn't seem like a problem about getting pregnant

that should be IUD lah...

[dcsch]

NEW PM , NEW Updates. Some similarity to this story, so recently I went to visit a ML who I rawed before and it was “unpleasantly pleasant”.

Before moving on, I need to add some context for this ML , let’s say Sarah for easier reference later on “ so I use to visit Sarah regularly and each time when she sees me, she always super shy and happy, it is like those Korean Drama moments kind of expression. BUT prior to visiting Sarah regularly, I use to visit her friend Ashley a few time who came to SG together with Sarah, but I stopped because Ashley is simply not a “good fu*k” after trying. However, I believe those two are very close friends because Sarah mentions Ashley sometimes during our session”.

Back to the main story… So after being away from the spa for awhile, I recently went to make an appointment with Sarah. Upon arrival, I was greeted by the receptionist( who’s also an ML I tried) and she asked if I had an appointment. I replied, “ Yes, today it’s Sarah” and she shouted for her” Sarah, your baby is here, No Actually, Everyone’s baby is here”. Based on this , for bros who wonder if MLs talk to one another? YES THEY DO.(every nitty gritty details of you).

Sorry I digress, now.. Sarah was actually just in the room beside the counter and when she came out, she didn’t even looked at me. Instead, without any eye contacts, she ushered me into the room. Back then, she always waited for me at the counter and greets me warmly during my arrival. I thought to myself, maybe she’s not feeling well or she’s just having a bad day. But deep down, I somehow knew it’s because I visited the other MLs in the spa after I rawed her.

During the session, we barely talked like we use to and the whole conversation seems so uninterested even though I tried my best to ask about her. Nearing the end, she just pop the GQ like an SOP “ What service do you want today ?” as if I’m a stranger. Since my tank is kinda full, I just went for the buffet expecting some raw sashimi again. So I got on top of her, did some foreplay and , she was stroking my dink against her p*say while letting out some soft moans. Just when I was about to go in for the kill, she took out a helmet from nowhere and ask me to wear. Okay I already knew this was coming, but I don’t mind since my small head is raring to go already.

So we did it for about 45mins changing from positions to positions. While on top of her, she keeps tugging my hips to thrust her fast and hard, her moans steadily increases till she could be seen as almost shouting. The spa eventually increase their music volume AHHA and we knew we were having a good time. At the end, she got on top of me and started pumping me while I squeeze her butt and open it up. I can even feel the liquid dripping on my hips and the helmet wasn’t even dry for a second. Told her I am cumming and she continues to pump even harder and faster till I shot into the heavens. We were both sweating like crazy and Sarah laid on my body for a couple of minutes before removing the helmet.

She stood up, barely able to walk and head for the showers. I asked her if she was tired cause she was crazier then before and she replied, “ if you are up for it, we could go for another round”. WOW what a Amazon, but I was already exhausted. Next, I passed her the money for her regular tip as well as the entry charges and when I walked out, I saw Ashley who then asked me for the entrance fee. I looked at Sarah and she said that I bullied her by visiting the other MLs(GUILTY, I visited the other MLs in the spa after I rawed her) and so, I should pay the regular rate. Cornered and at the same time accepting the outcome, I smiled, paid and left knowing it is the end with a beautiful beginning.


My take away from this, if a ML gives you raw, you probably need to stick to her if you want the same treatment when visiting the spa cause she accepts you as the special one. Unfortunately for me, I prefer my KKB to be a masterkey and a one-time use for any locks. Happy Cheonging Bros!

spa girl can allow fuck so long ah，45 mins

[testoste]

She gave you raw to try to gain your exclusivity when you go to the spa.
Makes you wonder how many other 'exclusives' she has.

I agree. The moment she can take out a rubber for use, I consider it a F-joint and there's a high possibility that raw may not be exclusive. More importantly, wear cap when visiting a F-joint for our own protection too.

[dman19]

The thing about raw is, we very cautiously advise very much against it.
But when we get a decent looking girl, advice ? simi advice ?

Myself included :D

Decent looking, or actually decent (eg. totally clean) ML? Normally for these I have to say that you probably had already put in the hard work and deserve the reward. But always take the assumption (this is to not get KC) that you are not the special one. You are just one of the hundreds and thousands of customers that she has, and she decides who she wants to open her boundaries to.

[Lancet]

Decent looking, or actually decent (eg. totally clean) ML?

Decent looking.
Actually decent, totally clean, that would be asking for too much luck.
Even if she is totally clean, I will be very very sceptical of it.

[Megafan1981]

spa girl can allow fuck so long ah，45 mins

My experience is that usually the sex is more like a quickie sex type and it won't be that long. 10 to 15 min max cuz there's a fear of getting caught or peeped at.

[dcsch]

My experience is that usually the sex is more like a quickie sex type and it won't be that long. 10 to 15 min max cuz there's a fear of getting caught or peeped at.

Yes, the ml or fl usually are very rushing

[Megafan1981]

I agree. The moment she can take out a rubber for use, I consider it a F-joint and there's a high possibility that raw may not be exclusive. More importantly, wear cap when visiting a F-joint for our own protection too.

My opinion is similar to you.

Many people cannot differentiate properly.

If a "massage joint" produces a condom, it is literally a fuck shop or a semi-fuck shop. Generally they should allow sex by second visit. This means the masseurs there are semi-WLs. Sex is normal for regulars and raw sex is sometimes provided if the they are comfortable with the customers and wanna kc them. The "masseurs" themselves also enjoy raw sex too because they get high and wet easily. This is the reason why sex with condom requires lube at times (too dry), while raw sex almost never requires... but safety and risk of pregnancies will always linger...

If it is a strictly hj shop, it is actually dangerous to bring a condom. If people spotted the condom, the masseur can get into trouble. If the condom is used, you have to make sure the wrapper must be recovered after the deed. Otherwise, the masseur can also get into trouble if her colleague or cleaner spotted the condom wrapper. Usually such masseurs need to be "unlocked" for sex and it will be impromptu. And yes, the sex is almost always raw.

[ripstop]

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

[Megafan1981]

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

When you asked her and she offered you, ever wonder why she offer you? Or she offers to anyone?

[Chubbybunny94]

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

You didn't wear your condom?

[ripstop]

When you asked her and she offered you, ever wonder why she offer you? Or she offers to anyone?

Well i didn't ask at all, just didn't bother getting the condom oit from my bag and rubbed my dick on her pussy, making it clear i wanted in.

Didn't ask her why she's willing to go raw and i frankly couldn't be bothered if she does the same with others too. Just paying for my own enjoyment only.

[Maihiamla]

I had my fair share of unlocking MLs on SLG and in proper massage shops (that selectively provide HJ only). For SLG ML a lot is really just based off $ rather than your conversational skills as the place is private to the two of you. For HJ massage shops, you will usually need to do repeat visits, sweet talk, bring them out on off days then back home/hotel for a good bonk.

Fancied one of the HJ massage shop ladies, visited her weekly and after 2 months of building rapport, converted her into a FB. I still continue to visit her at her shop to show support, and once every few months will book her during her off day for a workout session. She is pretty green - still dunno how to give a good BJ and cowgirl properly. Infact I simply made out with her, finger abit, then applied some KY and entered her raw on our first stint lol. Asked her why allow me to do raw and she says she always do raw with her ex-boyfriends lol.

I'm now trying to unlock a new ML who is working in a legit massage shop that doesn't even do HJ. I guess we are all seeking dopamine and dominance and it takes more to feel the same...

[singmarine]

But there are some cases whereby the ML will insist condom however later she just allow u insert in raw & CIP. Why?

[Megafan1981]

Well i didn't ask at all, just didn't bother getting the condom oit from my bag and rubbed my dick on her pussy, making it clear i wanted in.

Didn't ask her why she's willing to go raw and i frankly couldn't be bothered if she does the same with others too. Just paying for my own enjoyment only.

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

And secondly, viet ladies enjoy sex a lot. A lot. They really love having sex.. maybe due to their partying culture.

Most of them say no raw but they easily got high just by rubbing your cock at their clit.

I am not promoting raw sex due to STDs and pregnancies but almost all viet regulars of mine can easily raw after max of 4 visits because by them we would be on very close friendly terms. They want good sex and raw sex feels way better for them. And they know raw sex makes the guy closer to them and can easily get kc too. So its a win win for them too. The thing is if you cip the masseur, she may want to kc you gao gao because she feels really good with you. Then you will have to deal with a lot of wechat messages from her after that lo. lol.

[Srivyy]

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

some of the ML if they feel comfortable will be able to do it naturally

[jsmith1212]

It definitely feels better for them also without a rubber.

But as all the other guys above mentioned, it really is a red flag if the ML is able to pull out a rubber on command, be it secret place or not. Most of the time it's just with the flow, without discussion of monetary exchange, end up use small head to think, aiya won't so suay one, just risk it.

Personal experience, first time I went for a massage, very sop HJ, think she let me roam her shirt but thru her bra. Third time onwards, she started giving me bjs, without me asking, and not the half fuck kind where she just pump it, really full on eye contact, slow and steady.
Subsequent visits she'd pull down her tights and ask me to finger her, by the time she was very wet already. I just asked her for fun, when you want to let me fuck you, she just laughed it off.
Think it was the fifth/sixth time I visited, I joked about it again. Suddenly, she just told me ok, get off the bed now, hurry up, even cip. After that she wanted me to fuck her raw every time, even tried bringing a condom (got rejected), she told me she has an IUD, don't have to worry.

I asked before, she said it feels a lot a lot better. But she was looking for a bf/sugar daddy (she's a bit older than me, so I'm not in the consideration), that she's just using me temporarily to fulfill her needs, cause I was respectful and that I'm quite good looking la, figure quite good also, think she see also shiok lol (ML say one ah).

But recently cut down on going to see her. $60 (entrance) + $50 (whatever she wants to do that day) is damn worth it la, but the risk of pregnancy, which I'm not willing to handle, or the risk of STDs, the heart cannot take it.

[ripstop]

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.

[WarNut]

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.

IMO, the ML’s response will varies depending on her current emotional state. If they are happy, I feel the sky is the limit. Unless it’s a F joint, the game of fishing is inevitable, just gotta hook till you catch a hungry fish.

[lonely2000]

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.

I also prefer it like this. so you can get the chemistry. Naybe i get bonus haha

[ahbey]

It definitely feels better for them also without a rubber.

But as all the other guys above mentioned, it really is a red flag if the ML is able to pull out a rubber on command, be it secret place or not. Most of the time it's just with the flow, without discussion of monetary exchange, end up use small head to think, aiya won't so suay one, just risk it.

Personal experience, first time I went for a massage, very sop HJ, think she let me roam her shirt but thru her bra. Third time onwards, she started giving me bjs, without me asking, and not the half fuck kind where she just pump it, really full on eye contact, slow and steady.
Subsequent visits she'd pull down her tights and ask me to finger her, by the time she was very wet already. I just asked her for fun, when you want to let me fuck you, she just laughed it off.
Think it was the fifth/sixth time I visited, I joked about it again. Suddenly, she just told me ok, get off the bed now, hurry up, even cip. After that she wanted me to fuck her raw every time, even tried bringing a condom (got rejected), she told me she has an IUD, don't have to worry.

I asked before, she said it feels a lot a lot better. But she was looking for a bf/sugar daddy (she's a bit older than me, so I'm not in the consideration), that she's just using me temporarily to fulfill her needs, cause I was respectful and that I'm quite good looking la, figure quite good also, think she see also shiok lol (ML say one ah).

But recently cut down on going to see her. $60 (entrance) + $50 (whatever she wants to do that day) is damn worth it la, but the risk of pregnancy, which I'm not willing to handle, or the risk of STDs, the heart cannot take it.

Yes , mixed feeling being raw with ml that worry risk of STD but cannot resistance the raw feeling too.
Remember I want to use rubber also been rejected by her and now she allow me to cim her and I dun care about pregnant… hahaha

[chickenrice1980]

I got a regular ML that I been raw sex with her for more than 6 months.
The very first time happened was because of the condom broken half way through .
After that we have been enjoy raw sex by pull out shoot on her tummy area.
Only cum in her pussy on her safe period.
She told me that no need to responsible if she got my baby ( so far so good)
Put aside risk factors, the raw sex is very addictive on this 25 syt with pretty face
Can massage ,can suck ,can fuck any position and the best part is can raw sex
Still paid her same rate …

Omg same as me, I got a regular who always raw with me, CIP every single time. Really addictive and always manage to 2s inside her every visit hehe

[ahbey]

Omg same as me, I got a regular who always raw with me, CIP every single time. Really addictive and always manage to 2s inside her every visit hehe

This is really heavenly shiok , cim without responsible ….
got pregnant …a not

[kt88_2]

Seems like almost everyone get raw with ML

[BeijingBear]

Seems like almost everyone get raw with ML

As lomg as we pay ,like that ya ?

[ripstop]

Curious - for those who go raw, are you on PrEP, or rush to get on PEP if an unexpected raw opportunity comes along, or simply bochap?

[ghostcow]

Seems like almost everyone get raw with ML

As lomg as we pay ,like that ya ?

I always thought bros here unlock raw through KC ML.

If pay to raw ML, it should be safer than FL

[warrior2013]

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

And secondly, viet ladies enjoy sex a lot. A lot. They really love having sex.. maybe due to their partying culture.

Most of them say no raw but they easily got high just by rubbing your cock at their clit.

I am not promoting raw sex due to STDs and pregnancies but almost all viet regulars of mine can easily raw after max of 4 visits because by them we would be on very close friendly terms. They want good sex and raw sex feels way better for them. And they know raw sex makes the guy closer to them and can easily get kc too. So its a win win for them too. The thing is if you cip the masseur, she may want to kc you gao gao because she feels really good with you. Then you will have to deal with a lot of wechat messages from her after that lo. lol.

Good point. I dont patronise VN mls much cos I used to be in the prc playground for the decade and am familiar with how it works there. In one of my Viet ML sessions, I had VN ML who dragged me in raw but shoot outside. All sessions r like that. No CIP. Not much KC too but she thinks I m kinda buffed tho.(she said) GFE not much compared to my past prc or vn ones prob cos her mandarin isnt comprehensible as much and her english is not good. I cant speak viet at all. google translate also wrong interpretation lol.I dont splurge on her and no outings with her. SHe doesnt make demands on me as well. She only say when she RTV I sure go bang another one right after. I feel some lines are crossed but other boundaries remain. Maybe like one of the bros who said that is to ensure more exclusivity when visiting her. SHe wont pester or ask for this and that nor does she keep asking me to go find her but when I do .. its drag me in her raw episode ... not FOC ( f on credit. certainly no Free ) She is ok when at times I said I only can give this much etc ( not strict on payment ) I wont mention amount but def not HJ price but less than full package. No hotel etc. I feel shes not out to KC me per se. But she felt safe with me on the banging? I dont know and I wont share ctc as well.

[Megafan1981]

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.


Why need to ask?

In fact, some will be pissed off when you asked because they didn't want to be seen as prostitute. They want to be seen as proper ladies.

I never ask the Viet masseurs whether they offer sex or not. I just follow through my usual SOPs. Some of them will insist no sex, no kissing etc but ultimately they can be kissed and many can be up. Just because they told you the boundaries didn't mean you cannot stretch further. Remember, a gal who is high cannot think properly. I don't even need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex with her. It's more like having sex with a lover at that point.

[ripstop]

Why need to ask?

In fact, some will be pissed off when you asked because they didn't want to be seen as prostitute. They want to be seen as proper ladies.

I never ask the Viet masseurs whether they offer sex or not. I just follow through my usual SOPs. Some of them will insist no sex, no kissing etc but ultimately they can be kissed and many can be up. Just because they told you the boundaries didn't mean you cannot stretch further. Remember, a gal who is high cannot think properly. I don't even need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex with her. It's more like having sex with a lover at that point.

Already explained, perhaps you might want to read a little more carefully without preconceived notions colouring your understanding. Thanks for your sharing, but I believe there's no superior method. To each his own.

[Megafan1981]

Already explained, perhaps you might want to read a little more carefully without preconceived notions colouring your understanding. Thanks for your sharing, but I believe there's no superior method. To each his own.

Well... you can choose to play within the boundaries defined by her, or you can break out of that reach new heights. The sky's the limit.

FYI. The true players have a staggering rate of unlocking 9 out of 10 masseurs, and most are done in first visit or second visit at most. They started small initially, but gradually grasp the game correctly and eventually break out and reach new heights.

BTW, I am not criticizing you. I am just giving you some insights from the real players.

You can think small, or you can think big. To each his own.

[ghostcow]

Well... you can choose to play within the boundaries defined by her, or you can break out of that reach new heights. The sky's the limit.

FYI. The true players have a staggering rate of unlocking 9 out of 10 masseurs, and most are done in first visit or second visit at most. They started small initially, but gradually grasp the game correctly and eventually break out and reach new heights.

BTW, I am not criticizing you. I am just giving you some insights from the real players.

You can think small, or you can think big. To each his own.

Hi bro by true player that unlock raw in first or second visit is it by $$ or need to be handsome?

[ripstop]

Well... you can choose to play within the boundaries defined by her, or you can break out of that reach new heights. The sky's the limit.

FYI. The true players have a staggering rate of unlocking 9 out of 10 masseurs, and most are done in first visit or second visit at most. They started small initially, but gradually grasp the game correctly and eventually break out and reach new heights.

BTW, I am not criticizing you. I am just giving you some insights from the real players.

You can think small, or you can think big. To each his own.

"True players"
"Real players"
"You can think small, or you can think big."

Seriously man, read your own words. "Not criticizing", according to you, but your sense of self-superiority comes across loud and clear. You can believe in your own greatness, but rein it in a bit yeah?

[Megafan1981]

Hi bro by true player that unlock raw in first or second visit is it by $$ or need to be handsome?

Never by money. If unlock by money means the masseurs are WLs.

Looks and physique do help. I have two friends who are true players and I learn from them A lot.

A great smile and a few funny jokes to break ice. Nice loving foreplay like how you treat your lover is important. A good understanding of a gal's erogenous zones are important. Then finger or lick to make her high then finally just have sex lo. And no, they don't need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex.

What is incredible is how they know when the gals are going to cum during fingering or licking. This is the key to having sex with them. This is something I am still learning.

[sofital]

Never by money. If unlock by money means the masseurs are WLs.

Looks and physique do help. I have two friends who are true players and I learn from them A lot.

A great smile and a few funny jokes to break ice. Nice loving foreplay like how you treat your lover is important. A good understanding of a gal's erogenous zones are important. Then finger or lick to make her high then finally just have sex lo. And no, they don't need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex.

What is incredible is how they know when the gals are going to cum during fingering or licking. This is the key to having sex with them. This is something I am still learning.

As long as you can touch her gspot, no need long time now she going to cum

[WarNut]

Ok fellow experienced shifus and brosters, I have another question or myth to clarify , “ Do the time of the day matter? Like is it higher chance to unlock in the day or night? Or no difference?” Let us know about your valuable insights hehe…

[ghostcow]

Never by money. If unlock by money means the masseurs are WLs.

Looks and physique do help. I have two friends who are true players and I learn from them A lot.

A great smile and a few funny jokes to break ice. Nice loving foreplay like how you treat your lover is important. A good understanding of a gal's erogenous zones are important. Then finger or lick to make her high then finally just have sex lo. And no, they don't need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex.

What is incredible is how they know when the gals are going to cum during fingering or licking. This is the key to having sex with them. This is something I am still learning.

Salute you and your friends unlock raw with ML in 1st/2nd session bro. But how to foreplay when massage 45mins and 15mins GQ? What if ML wear long pants?

I think must be yandao for ML fast drop pants let your friends makan :D
Can raw without top-up is highly skilled I agree

[Nostringonenite]

Unlocking ML for FJ during 1st/2nd session quite power leh.

I don’t think I ever manage to unless the ML already accepted FJ in the first place.

Can’t even unlock HJ for those syt ML in decent MP…

[Giansex]

Never by money. If unlock by money means the masseurs are WLs.

Looks and physique do help. I have two friends who are true players and I learn from them A lot.

A great smile and a few funny jokes to break ice. Nice loving foreplay like how you treat your lover is important. A good understanding of a gal's erogenous zones are important. Then finger or lick to make her high then finally just have sex lo. And no, they don't need to open mouth and ask for permission to have sex.

What is incredible is how they know when the gals are going to cum during fingering or licking. This is the key to having sex with them. This is something I am still learning.

Viet ml are easier to unlock, I have unlocked 2 and they allowed me to cip.. on their off day I can ask them over to my hse..book gran and tip them 100 they also nvr complain..even raw one in carpark before..hahaha too bad all kena caught and send back..good news is I'm clear after my health screening

[daring70]

sometimes, the time of the month matters. if you kena one that happens to be needy and the 2 of you happen to have chemistry, fireworks can happen

Ok fellow experienced shifus and brosters, I have another question or myth to clarify , “ Do the time of the day matter? Like is it higher chance to unlock in the day or night? Or no difference?” Let us know about your valuable insights hehe…

[Johndon7]

Not worth the rusk

[Megafan1981]

Salute you and your friends unlock raw with ML in 1st/2nd session bro. But how to foreplay when massage 45mins and 15mins GQ? What if ML wear long pants?

I think must be yandao for ML fast drop pants let your friends makan :D
Can raw without top-up is highly skilled I agree


Why is massage 45 minutes and 15 min GQ? Who set that rule?

And all masseurs wear long pants in cat 1 spa. Most of them don't drop their pants automatically la.

As for raw, it's not intentional. It is way too troublesome to take out a condom and wear it and then preserve the wrapper. And traces of condom usage can lead to disciplinary action taken against the masseur.

[testoste]

Why is massage 45 minutes and 15 min GQ? Who set that rule?

And all masseurs wear long pants in cat 1 spa. Most of them don't drop their pants automatically la.

As for raw, it's not intentional. It is way too troublesome to take out a condom and wear it and then preserve the wrapper. And traces of condom usage can lead to disciplinary action taken against the masseur.

Occasionally, I observed some MLs w only start GQ for the last 15min.

[Laker]

Unlocking ML for FJ during 1st/2nd session quite power leh.

I don’t think I ever manage to unless the ML already accepted FJ in the first place.

Can’t even unlock HJ for those syt ML in decent MP…

This one have some basic strategy. Try to visit the new MLs to try them 2-3 times before hopping to the next one.

I managed to unlock 1 on first visit. She charged me 100 for hj which I would never return if I don"t get anything more. Her looks are average, small b cups but she makes it up with her gfe, hj skills (she know the timing, strength and where to touch) and tight pussy (can clamp my cock until I almost shoot inside even with slow thrust). Pity that she said business was bad and decided to RTC after 1 year of working here.

[Smee]

Since on the topic of raw, does guys wearing condom or not affect the enjoyment of the ladies ?
Some tell me they can feel condom, some say cannot tell the difference.

[timeliness]

Since on the topic of raw, does guys wearing condom or not affect the enjoyment of the ladies ?
Some tell me they can feel condom, some say cannot tell the difference.

Well I usually bring my own okamoto caps, feedback so far was that it feels like I'm not wearing one..

[RAW Man]

If you are comfortable with viets, you treat them ok, foreplay them well, have good sex. First few sex is definitely with condom on

Agree with you that Viet love sex. All Viet ML/FL/WL can be raw at first sight if you play it right :)
ML in proper spa usually does not want do it in soa. They also want to enjoy raw instead of quickie, Bring them out to raw

[Megafan1981]

This one have some basic strategy. Try to visit the new MLs to try them 2-3 times before hopping to the next one.

I managed to unlock 1 on first visit. She charged me 100 for hj which I would never return if I don"t get anything more. Her looks are average, small b cups but she makes it up with her gfe, hj skills (she know the timing, strength and where to touch) and tight pussy (can clamp my cock until I almost shoot inside even with slow thrust). Pity that she said business was bad and decided to RTC after 1 year of working here.


Definitely must have strategy when visiting spa la. The words to use, the actions, the moves etc are all preplanned. Walking in and laying down for massage is definitely not one of them.

[Penguin23]

Ok fellow experienced shifus and brosters, I have another question or myth to clarify , “ Do the time of the day matter? Like is it higher chance to unlock in the day or night? Or no difference?” Let us know about your valuable insights hehe…

Depends on the woman. Most ladies in nightlife are nocturnal animals and are not "morning persons" so trying to "unlock" an ML or a KTV girl when she's still sleepy is usually not a good idea.

I know a couple of guys who make it a point to "stealth" an ML by being her first customer of the day when she is barely awake, then go bragging to everyone that he has "unlocked" her. Lol

My own experience - "unlocking" usually has little to do with time of day or how much you pay

Like the (old) saying goes - girls will always forget what you do for them
But they will never forget the way you make them feel.

So if you make a girl feel special, she will give you special treatment. That is basically it.

Hope that helps.

[Penguin23]

Well I usually bring my own okamoto caps, feedback so far was that it feels like I'm not wearing one..

In my clueless days of youth, I (stupidly) used Okamoto 0.01 and Sagami 0.01 thinking exactly what you said above.

I learnt that there is a world of difference between 0.01 and 0.00

I don't think I can ever put on a condom again, after being used to only having raw sex for a number of years now.

[AUDIFANSG]

do u tell them tat u are married/attached? There was one ML tat i lied to abt being single. Long story short, her attitude change 360 when i told her im married.

[mineralwater]

well i think it's because she thinks you are the one

[timeliness]

In my clueless days of youth, I (stupidly) used Okamoto 0.01 and Sagami 0.01 thinking exactly what you said above.

I learnt that there is a world of difference between 0.01 and 0.00

I don't think I can ever put on a condom again, after being used to only having raw sex for a number of years now.

Indeed, there's a difference feeling the moist slimy wet feeling and the warmth too.

But now having responsibilities with a partner.. gotta play safe la hahaha. Last time young, wild and carefree but now prefer to just stay safe and free from STDs.

[testoste]

do u tell them tat u are married/attached? There was one ML tat i lied to abt being single. Long story short, her attitude change 360 when i told her im married.

That's becoz u let her kno that u have lied. There's no harm to let them kno ur marital status, that why they kno u cannot be fished.

[Laker]

do u tell them tat u are married/attached? There was one ML tat i lied to abt being single. Long story short, her attitude change 360 when i told her im married.

Wow. Why did you tell them that you are married and not follow through?

[NiaoRenn]

do u tell them tat u are married/attached? There was one ML tat i lied to abt being single. Long story short, her attitude change 360 when i told her im married.

I use a better story. Married but 1 year no sex.

[ahbey]

do u tell them tat u are married/attached? There was one ML tat i lied to abt being single. Long story short, her attitude change 360 when i told her im married.

I also meet the same treatment after she know I am married
My ML dun allow me to fuck her raw on my last visit .
Ask me to wear rubber for Fj otherwise she just provide hj services only.

[warrior2013]

I also meet the same treatment after she know I am married
My ML dun allow me to fuck her raw on my last visit .
Ask me to wear rubber for Fj otherwise she just provide hj services only.

Mine gave me bad attitude after I told her I am on good term with my wife and I am just happy to visit her. Her attitude became rude and impatient when I find her after that. No more niceties.

[Giansex]

Recently I raw and cip during my first visit to this ml..really shiok..let's see if I can continue to raw her

[Lawrencegan]

For some girls. 001 feels like raw. But for men, a whole lot of difference

[guessme]

i think she really loves u bro

[warrior2013]

I also meet the same treatment after she know I am married
My ML dun allow me to fuck her raw on my last visit .
Ask me to wear rubber for Fj otherwise she just provide hj services only.

Hmm... mine knew I am married and she still let me raw on first FJ. All were raw henceforth. After I told her my marriage wasn't on the rocks and is fine she start giving attitude and tantrum and no more good service quality.. Came to the point I start to lose the mood even when she bareback fj... had to finish off with HJ visualizing our initial encounters to get the feel. kinda sad ..

[fireblade123]

she want to show how much she love u?

[breedbleed]

she wanted to taste it with u?

[iban]

want to build a fam with u bro , i think she's ready

[I Know]

well i think it's because she thinks you are the one

i think she really loves u bro

want to build a fam with u bro , i think she's ready

What type of stupid dumbass fuck comment is that ?
You all fucked up clones really don't know what else to post ah ?

[mambo_maus]

well said that she wanted to try it / curious about it
or she just make it happen to you for the first time / might be a chance she had done it with someone else before

[qwerty135]

Thank all bros for your thoughts and inputs. Ok the next question is, there was once the ML told me to shoot inside because it’s her safe day. Wah both my big and small headi sensory overload sia, but of course the shock woke me up and small head didn’t give in. In this case, I really don’t know what she trying to achieve, but this is a clear line that I would not cross. MLs also got big head and small head is it ? HAHAHA

safe day also can be dangerous dude...

[bignehneh]

I went to China one time and visit some friends. Their party has all those special condom and tools. Like bang already all sibei high using the condom and women squirt non stop. Still got some liquid etc where they play on women pussy and they go wild. still got those used to prepared AJ. Sibei funny

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They paid massage ladies a lot to play all these games. The more decent the ladies, the more they offer

[ejoker]

well said that she wanted to try it / curious about it
or she just make it happen to you for the first time / might be a chance she had done it with someone else before

u might be true

[qqttmm]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

well, my ML said if u did it raw -> more pleasure and enjoyment but a lot of risk at the same time

[hebeonline]

FEW mths ago visited one of my regular ML. It was her bday and gave her some red packet and brought along some whiskey as well. Fingered her till shes wet and she wanna fk raw. Fortunately i refused. Otherwise the next few weeks gonna have high anxiety and need to waste couple hundred sgd doing tests.

wahlao, u really prepared

[audi a6]

well, imo safety also can be fun dude, just use protection for now haha

[WarNut]

safe day also can be dangerous dude...

well, my ML said if u did it raw -> more pleasure and enjoyment but a lot of risk at the same time

Yes, there is always risk involved when raw. Let’s say we are generous and put ourselves out of the equation. From the ml pov, they risk getting preg, illness which might affect their income that is exactly why they are here for in the first place. For them to go through it with you certainly takes a lot of courage or folly haha!

FL/WL different case though, they might be on some pill.

[WarNut]

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They paid massage ladies a lot to play all these games. The more decent the ladies, the more they offer

Hahah probably aphrodisiac and the condom that make your bro look like a rough sea cucumber! But I heard from many source that foreplay is dam important to coax them into raw. If foreplay dam zai, the small abalone wil be triggered and let you in hehe

[oxeso]

What type of stupid dumbass fuck comment is that ?
You all fucked up clones really don't know what else to post ah ?

I applaud ur optimism.. :p

[Class5]

Pre-covid, been visiting a MP in JB. Was a rather rundown MP with only 2 ML plus a lady boss inside.

Went the MP at least once weekly. Tried out both the ladies and one of them massaged performed better. So, i would always ask for her (JH) everytime i go. Gradually, we started to know each other more and she offered to perform HJ and BBBJ for me. All these were done VERY discreetly and softly because the entrance to the room was just by a thin curtain.

One day, she told me that she would like to have sex with me as she kind of "like" me. I told her that i do not have rubber with me as i am not prepared for such things to happen. She surprised me by telling me that she wouldn't mind me going raw.

At the back of my mind, i was telling myself, you don't mind but i mind. So, i kept declining due to no protection. So, she told me to wait for her in the room and she left. She came back with a box of condom and happily told me that she managed to buy it at next door 7-11.

Cut the chase, she did the full process of blowing me and capped me and i started humping her slowly and softly because the lady boss was just about 5 metres away from us. She also had to cover her mouth from moaning when she orgasm.

Subsequently, whenever i go for the massage, she kept reminding me that she has leftover of rubber and would like to finish using it.

Even after we finished the box of rubber, she kept pestering me for raw. But i had to disappoint her, i prefer rubber

[maxspeed54]

Yes, there is always risk involved when raw. Let’s say we are generous and put ourselves out of the equation. From the ml pov, they risk getting preg, illness which might affect their income that is exactly why they are here for in the first place. For them to go through it with you certainly takes a lot of courage or folly haha!

FL/WL different case though, they might be on some pill.

indeed... that's why hahaha
tricky one isn't it

[thethirdeye]

Yes, there is always risk involved when raw. Let’s say we are generous and put ourselves out of the equation. From the ml pov, they risk getting preg, illness which might affect their income that is exactly why they are here for in the first place. For them to go through it with you certainly takes a lot of courage or folly haha!

FL/WL different case though, they might be on some pill.

I not sure about other countries, but Thailand, I think on the pills very common. They can buy over the counter without doctor prescription if I remember correctly.

[Giansex]

Recently I raw and cip during my first visit to this ml..really shiok..let's see if I can continue to raw her

Rtf the ml and by default is raw and cip liao

[Hotstruck]

I just wonder if it is an emotional decision for them, they like you they do. But cannot be so simple right haha? I refuse to believe when the ML say you special, especially when they are here to earn.

well, can't say any thing though
cuz woman always involve emotion and feelings

[earthman73]

well, can't say any thing though
cuz woman always involve emotion and feelings

true, my ML always involve feelings in every decision

[TeKOT]

I just wonder if it is an emotional decision for them, they like you they do. But cannot be so simple right haha? I refuse to believe when the ML say you special, especially when they are here to earn.

might be true, we never know what is going on inside their head hahaha

[TeKOT]

Rtf the ml and by default is raw and cip liao

woah, lucky you man!

[fillerup]

Those ml you raw are from which country?

[xcrew]

Those ml you raw are from which country?

most of them from thai bro

[fillerup]

most of them from thai bro

But any reason why they would do that?

[championer]

But any reason why they would do that?

some pleasure i guess

[I Know]

well i think it's because she thinks you are the one

i think she really loves u bro

want to build a fam with u bro , i think she's ready

well said that she wanted to try it / curious about it
or she just make it happen to you for the first time / might be a chance she had done it with someone else before

safe day also can be dangerous dude...

u might be true

well, my ML said if u did it raw -> more pleasure and enjoyment but a lot of risk at the same time

wahlao, u really prepared

well, imo safety also can be fun dude, just use protection for now haha

indeed... that's why hahaha
tricky one isn't it

well, can't say any thing though
cuz woman always involve emotion and feelings

true, my ML always involve feelings in every decision

might be true, we never know what is going on inside their head hahaha

most of them from thai bro

some pleasure i guess

Can the stupid fuckwad stop spamming the forum or not ?
Almost all new posts coming from 1 same person doing 10 posts, talking to himself, upping points.
Whole page of forum almost all your bs.

[cutecuteboy]

………………………………

[Giansex]

I won't be sharing the contact of my ml..hahaa all I can say is she's ptc and working in east..hahaa shaven and wet pussy..

[pranksterz]

To bros who want to stay safe while chionging, do you all accept BBBJ or CBJ?

[AE86LoverBoy]

Rtf the ml and by default is raw and cip liao

she should be on the pills ba... or else wait come back to your say pregnant.

[Giansex]

she should be on the pills ba... or else wait come back to your say pregnant.

Hahaa! I also don't care so much while my kkj is inside ma

[fillerup]

Actually PRC is preferable. I'm just not into Thais, viets, indos and pinoys.

[ghostcow]

Recently I raw and cip during my first visit to this ml..really shiok..let's see if I can continue to raw her

Hi bro first visit can raw and cip how u do it? Must be handsome

[horizonlover]

I went to one ML who is slim and chio. Visited her 2nd time ask if can bbbj but she say only HJ. But bros here straight away Raw. Champion

[huangjosk]

Invest time to unlock better. Too easy also abit scared lol. After few sessions and getting comfortable, push boundaries abit by abit and gauge reaction.

Normally once they consent to raw rub outside, left very small step to going all the way.

[grandpasin]

Invest time to unlock better. Too easy also abit scared lol. After few sessions and getting comfortable, push boundaries abit by abit and gauge reaction.

Normally once they consent to raw rub outside, left very small step to going all the way.

Is this at MP? How to transition from massage with ML wearing pants to rub raw

[Giansex]

Hi bro first visit can raw and cip how u do it? Must be handsome

Not handsome

[Giansex]

Invest time to unlock better. Too easy also abit scared lol. After few sessions and getting comfortable, push boundaries abit by abit and gauge reaction.

Normally once they consent to raw rub outside, left very small step to going all the way.

That'd right

[ghostcow]

I also meet the same treatment after she know I am married
My ML dun allow me to fuck her raw on my last visit .
Ask me to wear rubber for Fj otherwise she just provide hj services only.

Hmm... mine knew I am married and she still let me raw on first FJ. All were raw henceforth. After I told her my marriage wasn't on the rocks and is fine she start giving attitude and tantrum and no more good service quality.. Came to the point I start to lose the mood even when she bareback fj... had to finish off with HJ visualizing our initial encounters to get the feel. kinda sad ..

Hi bros so the best way to unlock ML is to fake as a single? The hints of wanting to marry u from her is very obvious right

[huangjosk]

Is this at MP? How to transition from massage with ML wearing pants to rub raw

Some mentioned already, book at quiet timings of the day, they will feel more relax with less people around, more things can happen. Assuming you already unlock super happy with your ML, you can slowly test water before caps on during foreplay and see reaction.

Alternatively, I also tried mid way through, say cannot cum. Remove condom in missionary and ask her hj me or I jerk off while Im on top of her. If you have a good enough relationship with multiple rtm/rtf and she trust you are clean, she may let you grind her pussy raw. From there you can slowly tease entry and depending on reaction you can decide.

[warrior2013]

Hi bros so the best way to unlock ML is to fake as a single? The hints of wanting to marry u from her is very obvious right

Mine is abit off.. She knows but later she suggest I take her as wife instead. Mood gone right away.

[testoste]

Hi bros so the best way to unlock ML is to fake as a single? The hints of wanting to marry u from her is very obvious right

I don't think so. Those MLs whom I managed to unlock are aware of me married, no rocky marriage story. Invested time and built rapport.

[vanityandwax]

Is it common for a ML offering only till bbbj to allow painting and finger? Got potential to unlock?

[sgsingaboy]

Is it common for a ML offering only till bbbj to allow painting and finger? Got potential to unlock?

Quite common actually. Not all but a fair share do allow. Allow paint and finger does not equate to potential to unlock. For me its all about talking and positioning of bodies. If ML receptive, her body will sync with you.

[sgsingaboy]

I don't think so. Those MLs whom I managed to unlock are aware of me married, no rocky marriage story. Invested time and built rapport.

same here. no need to lie. Show interest and concern in their lives. Be interesting to them. Works well.

[lalaliang]

MLs are women, first and foremost and they have needs too.

Women tend to fantasize a lot, and with the guys they feel a connection with they will fantasize about doing it raw and shooting inside. Finishing inside and feeling your warm cum leak out of her pussy is actually something that is quite pleasurable to a woman, who already feels an emotional connection with you. In the later stages of a relationship, finishing inside and having a lot of your cum flooding her pussy is very reassuring to the woman, that you still desire her and that your store of cum is really only for her.

If the woman feels sexual chemistry when she is with you, she will be sure to fantasize about what it will be like being "in a relationship", and that fantasy will play out to doing it raw, shooting inside and giving you "husband service" - meaning she will do anything to make you happy.

In my own experience, sex will improve significantly over time, so long a woman has good sexual chemistry with you. It's not that she becomes more skilful, but that she becomes much more willing to do things that make you happy and sexstisfied. And nothing is more satisfying and reassuring to a woman to have her man cumming hard inside her and having a lot of sticky cum inside her pussy. This really makes her feel that she "owns" you.

Remember that to women, relationship status is fluid - to us guys it (usually) binary. A gf and a FL has 2 very different status in our minds, but to a woman one can become the other, so long as the feeling is right.

My $0.02

Wow u describe so well so made me thought so… it is really good to hear from a women’s POV

[Supply]

Hahaha you just jitao shoot penguin23 in the face say he is girl

[singmarine]

If she love you, I wonder how many will let you urine into her vagina?

[Supply]

I.... uh... hey bro.. what.... i don't.. i don't really know what to say, why do you want to urine into her pussy?

And if you do it will leak out all over the place and also risk giving her infection.

But... well what do i know

[bignehneh]

I had 2 encountered.

1. The first is this popular “Dao” massueus. That day she suddenly bathed me. In the toilet I sucked her breasts and slowly teased her pussy. Then I fingered her and her pussy was so soaking wet with dripping juice. She pushed me against the wall and was trying to insert my cock into her pussy.

2. The second was almost the same. I was fondling her tits and playing pussy from behind. She got really high and was moaning so loudly. Then I grind my pussy against her from behind and both of us are feeling so good. Next moment feel a hand holding my cock and inserting my cock head into the pussy

In both occasions, my big head took over and said need to put on caps

[oxeso]

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[anikisan]

I had 2 encountered.

1. The first is this popular “Dao” massueus. That day she suddenly bathed me. In the toilet I sucked her breasts and slowly teased her pussy. Then I fingered her and her pussy was so soaking wet with dripping juice. She pushed me against the wall and was trying to insert my cock into her pussy.

2. The second was almost the same. I was fondling her tits and playing pussy from behind. She got really high and was moaning so loudly. Then I grind my pussy against her from behind and both of us are feeling so good. Next moment feel a hand holding my cock and inserting my cock head into the pussy

In both occasions, my big head took over and said need to put on caps

wah bro, u must be damn hamsome or u super VIP keep supporting her massage services for a nong nong time:D

[loyang222]

If she love you, I wonder how many will let you urine into her vagina?

I nv try that. May I can try that one day.:D

[Luckyou]

I had 2 encountered.

1. The first is this popular “Dao” massueus. That day she suddenly bathed me. In the toilet I sucked her breasts and slowly teased her pussy. Then I fingered her and her pussy was so soaking wet with dripping juice. She pushed me against the wall and was trying to insert my cock into her pussy.

2. The second was almost the same. I was fondling her tits and playing pussy from behind. She got really high and was moaning so loudly. Then I grind my pussy against her from behind and both of us are feeling so good. Next moment feel a hand holding my cock and inserting my cock head into the pussy

In both occasions, my big head took over and said need to put on caps


Ask arr....s/n 2...
grind my pussy against her?
and then a hand holding your cock?
am I reading some kind of a new breed here?:D

[chesser]

Invest time to unlock better. Too easy also abit scared lol. After few sessions and getting comfortable, push boundaries abit by abit and gauge reaction.


Agreed on invest time to unlock.
Some have their 1001 methods to make u feel special too

[ghostcow]

Agreed on invest time to unlock.
Some have their 1001 methods to make u feel special too

Hi bro how much time invested to unlock? Would you say that pay straight up is cheaper?

[chesser]

Hi bro how much time invested to unlock? Would you say that pay straight up is cheaper?

hi bro, i can't say a definite time frame depends on the the level of kc maybe? Pay straight up is never a bad choice, again depend on each individual preference. Like going for FL, when already got intel on who and who is able but still want to unlock those unknown.. My 2 cents :)

[huangjosk]

Hi bro how much time invested to unlock? Would you say that pay straight up is cheaper?

Straight up confirm cheaper in long run but the risk also higher. Dome 1 have many advertised "special happy ending" but if you can pay for it means many others can too. Depends on your risk appetite.

The fastest I tried was about 2 months after being regular (5-6 RTM). After first time, then every subsequent time it become SOP. No need to pay extra also. But this kind is hit or miss and depends on how your lady perceive your cleanliness and if she got any feeling for you.

[ghostcow]

Straight up confirm cheaper in long run but the risk also higher. Dome 1 have many advertised "special happy ending" but if you can pay for it means many others can too. Depends on your risk appetite.

The fastest I tried was about 2 months after being regular (5-6 RTM). After first time, then every subsequent time it become SOP. No need to pay extra also. But this kind is hit or miss and depends on how your lady perceive your cleanliness and if she got any feeling for you.

Thx bro for tips, have up u pts. U must be very handsome to unlock raw.

What is the setting/environment for ur 5-6RTM to unlock? Is it curtain or individual room MP?

[huangjosk]

Thx bro for tips, have up u pts. U must be very handsome to unlock raw.

What is the setting/environment for ur 5-6RTM to unlock? Is it curtain or individual room MP?

Usually I visit those individual room kind. Places where I get recommended by friends where I know that the ladies got provide extra menu, can skip a few visits compared to those pure clean one where you need a lot more time and money to unlock. Usually find one that I like then I stick with her for a few sessions and see how it goes.

[TheTrader2359]

why do MLs suddenly accept raw?

1. Most of the time it’s for money
2. Sometimes they treat u like bf..fall in love with u.. give u raw for free
3. Sometimes they see u like Andy Lau.. they get horny let u raw but still pay standard price
4. Sometimes they feel u support them a lot by visiting very often.. they suddenly reward u by letting raw once as bonus

[phelps]

why do MLs suddenly accept raw?

1. Most of the time it’s for money .
2. Sometimes they treat u like bf..fall in love with u.. give u raw for free
3. Sometimes they see u like Andy Lau.. they get horny let u raw but still pay standard price
4. Sometimes they feel u support them a lot by visiting very often.. they suddenly reward u by letting raw once as bonus

To me, mostly its #01. Money can make any women open their legs for any man.

[testoste]

why do MLs suddenly accept raw?

1. Most of the time it’s for money
2. Sometimes they treat u like bf..fall in love with u.. give u raw for free
3. Sometimes they see u like Andy Lau.. they get horny let u raw but still pay standard price
4. Sometimes they feel u support them a lot by visiting very often.. they suddenly reward u by letting raw once as bonus

IMO, based on logik, #1, 2, 3. Exp 1, 2 and 3 before.

[ahbey]

I also meet the same treatment after she know I am married
My ML dun allow me to fuck her raw on my last visit .
Ask me to wear rubber for Fj otherwise she just provide hj services only.

Visit her again yesterday when receive WeChat that her business is not good.
Her Massage still as usual goods , follow by knee down type of bbbj .

I know she has prepare the CD that place on the massage bed.
After I finger her till wet, after till just insert the hard rod into her pussy raw fuck her again with her surprise
She keep asking me to put the Rubber while my rod still in her wet pussy.
Can see her been enjoying the skin contact without rubber .
End up shoot all soldieries into her hole…
She didn’t get angry but said I very naughty … hahaha
Just pay her the market rate price and left the shop.

[TheTrader2359]

Visit her again yesterday when receive WeChat that her business is not good.
Her Massage still as usual goods , follow by knee down type of bbbj .

I know she has prepare the CD that place on the massage bed.
After I finger her till wet, after till just insert the hard rod into her pussy raw fuck her again with her surprise
She keep asking me to put the Rubber while my rod still in her wet pussy.
Can see her been enjoying the skin contact without rubber .
End up shoot all soldieries into her hole…
She didn’t get angry but said I very naughty … hahaha
Just pay her the market rate price and left the shop.

U r a monster!! lol.. I also tried this method before but did not shoot inside la..

[Penguin23]

Visit her again yesterday when receive WeChat that her business is not good.
Her Massage still as usual goods , follow by knee down type of bbbj .

I know she has prepare the CD that place on the massage bed.
After I finger her till wet, after till just insert the hard rod into her pussy raw fuck her again with her surprise
She keep asking me to put the Rubber while my rod still in her wet pussy.
Can see her been enjoying the skin contact without rubber .
End up shoot all soldieries into her hole…
She didn’t get angry but said I very naughty … hahaha
Just pay her the market rate price and left the shop.

Usually this means the next time you fuck her, she will allow raw.

Especially during her "safe" period.

Congratulations, and hopefully no Happy Father's Day for you!

[Giansex]

Sop raw and cip with my ml whom I unlocked 2mths ago.haha now I only stick to her as once u raw cip very difficult to go back to fj with cd

[kt88_2]

All ML actually raw for every customers.

[ahbey]

Usually this means the next time you fuck her, she will allow raw.

Especially during her "safe" period.

Congratulations, and hopefully no Happy Father's Day for you!

I didn’t bother about her safe period ….
Just cum in her pussy …shiok
No responsibility at all for the monetary trade.
No father day for me…

[Sixth]

why do MLs suddenly accept raw?

1. Most of the time it’s for money
2. Sometimes they treat u like bf..fall in love with u.. give u raw for free
3. Sometimes they see u like Andy Lau.. they get horny let u raw but still pay standard price
4. Sometimes they feel u support them a lot by visiting very often.. they suddenly reward u by letting raw once as bonus

agree but usually it's #1

[oxeso]

All ML actually raw for every customers.

Tiagong for the right price, raw the okts also can.. tiagong.. :D

[VG2005]

I been going to the same joint for nearly a years. Couples of ML I support for a period of time end up we just raw when FJ. Lately got into a relationship with one ML. Whenever I message her I coming over, she knows what I want from her without any obligation. I come out from shower she there laying down waiting for me. Visit her 8 to 10 times per month no massage. Just Raw.

[ahbey]

I been going to the same joint for nearly a years. Couples of ML I support for a period of time end up we just raw when FJ. Lately got into a relationship with one ML. Whenever I message her I coming over, she knows what I want from her without any obligation. I come out from shower she there laying down waiting for me. Visit her 8 to 10 times per month no massage. Just Raw.

Thumb rule 1 - $ must enough
Thumb rule 2 - dun go for other ml at the same shop , only target her
Thumb rule 3 - must visit her frequency consecutively in the month then unable unlock the raw .
After that , you can raw on every visit and skip the waste time massage by her.

[loyang222]

I didn’t bother about her safe period ….
Just cum in her pussy …shiok
No responsibility at all for the monetary trade.
No father day for me…

Happy For u bro.:rolleyes:

[yowkimfui]

Thumb rule 1 - $ must enough
Thumb rule 2 - dun go for other ml at the same shop , only target her
Thumb rule 3 - must visit her frequency consecutively in the month then unable unlock the raw .
After that , you can raw on every visit and skip the waste time massage by her.

That happened to me for my ex PRC ML.
Visited her massage +Hj.
After 3 time of visit.
Went to her rented apartment .
Straight to action 2 shots.
Washed up and left as happy man.
Sorry to say this, I dropped her once I found out she also raw with other man.

Sadly, She now back in China taking care of her newly born grand daughter.
No more Rtn to SG.

* Forget to add*- I also paid her for every sexxion ( 2-3hrs) we met, and had sex.

[commonsense]

To me, mostly its #01 (https://sammyboy.today/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=01) . Money can make any women open their legs for any man.

Agreed with you.

[XanderBoagerts]

That happened to me for my ex PRC ML.
Visited her massage +Hj.
After 3 time of visit.
Went to her rented apartment .
Straight to action 2 shots.
Washed up and left as happy man.
Sorry to say this, I dropped her once I found out she also raw with other man.

Sadly, She now back in China taking care of her newly born grand daughter.
No more Rtn to SG.

Thanks for sharing.

[SkyLeopard]

I been going to the same joint for nearly a years. Couples of ML I support for a period of time end up we just raw when FJ. Lately got into a relationship with one ML. Whenever I message her I coming over, she knows what I want from her without any obligation. I come out from shower she there laying down waiting for me. Visit her 8 to 10 times per month no massage. Just Raw.

Did she allow CIP too? :)

[fxty1989]

That happened to me for my ex PRC ML.
Visited her massage +Hj.
After 3 time of visit.
Went to her rented apartment .
Straight to action 2 shots.
Washed up and left as happy man.
Sorry to say this, I dropped her once I found out she also raw with other man.

Sadly, She now back in China taking care of her newly born grand daughter.
No more Rtn to SG.

“Grand daughter” how old she is?

[oxeso]

I dropped her once I found out she also raw with other man.
Arbo u r the 1 n only special 1 ah? :eek:

[wpns]

Arbo u r the 1 n only special 1 ah? :eek:

Here is my few cents of thought.

To me I believe that many of man here does not stick to 1 ML or ladies also, and I think ML also dun hv him as only 1 "raw" partner, or else how she as ML going to support herself here in sg, and sent money to home -To buy lands in their hometown, support kids, etc.

And ML trusted him , and brought him to her apartment shall be consider as a BIG step to their relationship. Of cos, I believe it not free either.

Most importantly, lets cheong and play safe.:cool:

[yowkimfui]

“Grand daughter” how old she is?

Mids 40s. I think so. I nv check her ID becos we never check in Hotel before.
Her daughter just got married last year. Her daughter just gave birth to Baby last month.:rolleyes:

[bimacket]

Here is my few cents of thought.

To me I believe that many of man here does not stick to 1 ML or ladies also, and I think ML also dun hv him as only 1 "raw" partner, or else how she as ML going to support herself here in sg, and sent money to home -To buy lands in their hometown, support kids, etc.

And ML trusted him , and brought him to her apartment shall be consider as a BIG step to their relationship. Of cos, I believe it not free either.

Most importantly, lets cheong and play safe.:cool:

Fully agreed.

[eggsbasket]

Mids 40s. I think so. I nv check her ID becos we never check in Hotel before.
Her daughter just got married last year. Her daughter just gave birth to Baby last month.:rolleyes:

Thanks for sharing.

[scallopbroker]

Fully agreed.

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, can't agree more.
51 at 1022

[phelps]

Mids 40s. I think so. I nv check her ID becos we never check in Hotel before.
Her daughter just got married last year. Her daughter just gave birth to Baby last month.:rolleyes:

Then she will be young Gilf.:D:D

[fxty1989]

Mids 40s. I think so. I nv check her ID becos we never check in Hotel before.
Her daughter just got married last year. Her daughter just gave birth to Baby last month.:rolleyes:

Wow! Grandmother still working in industry, she power ah. :D Anyway, thanks for sharing the story, bro.

[RAW Man]

Here is my few cents of thought.

To me I believe that many of man here does not stick to 1 ML or ladies also, and I think ML also dun hv him as only 1 "raw" partner,

many gullible man equate raw to love :D:eek::rolleyes:

[Giansex]

many gullible man equate raw to love :D:eek::rolleyes:

Raw+cip best combo

[piichai]

So my regular ML one day just decided to cap off with me. Can someone explain what is going through their mind for them to decide to do raw? Affection, pleasure, money? Is it worth the risk for them?

Because she got aids and want to pass to you.

Sharing is Caring mah

[oxeso]

Raw+cip best combo
Classic YOLO, fuck 1st talk later.. :eek: i support, mentally.. :D

[sbwow]

many gullible man equate raw to love :D:eek::rolleyes:

It is just two pieces of flesh rubbing against each other.
Why can't they see it? HAHAHA.
Where is that so called love? HAHAHA.

[Alex9]

Here is my few cents of thought.

To me I believe that many of man here does not stick to 1 ML or ladies also, and I think ML also dun hv him as only 1 "raw" partner, or else how she as ML going to support herself here in sg, and sent money to home -To buy lands in their hometown, support kids, etc.

And ML trusted him , and brought him to her apartment shall be consider as a BIG step to their relationship. Of cos, I believe it not free either.

Most importantly, lets cheong and play safe.:cool:

Agreed, that's their main goal for crossing the sea.
Some smarter ML will have 101 ways to let the client feel special and exclusive too.

[Errornotfound]

Why do ML suddenly raw?

It should be.. you unlock boss level bro. I always believe if a ML let you raw, she might have let other bro raw too. Just that you need to wait for your turn afterbshe squeeze dry other bro.

[blurqaz]

just wondering, isn't it dangerous to raw to ml? all the STDs? :confused:

[wpns]

many gullible man equate raw to love :D:eek::rolleyes:

I still stick to my CIM mission for deep love. :p

[oxeso]

just wondering, isn't it dangerous to raw to ml? all the STDs? :confused:
True love conquers all, senior.. :D even lame af bs. :D

[AUDIFANSG]

just wondering, isn't it dangerous to raw to ml? all the STDs? :confused:
Some people have a lot to loose, some have nothing to lose.

[madnessman]

Some people have a lot to loose, some have nothing to lose.

Well said. To each his own. But remember that decisions have consequences

[coachkenlim]

Mine is this ML in the Chinatown area. 1 secluded unit in a basement.

I was her very first customer when she arrived at our shores. She wasn't sure what to do and I shared what most brothers here will like and taught her. She was very thankful and we hit it off too. Initially, she insisted on having protection. Sometime on my 3rd visit (monthly visit), she starts to ask questions like how often I visit ML and is it mostly with protection? I replied yes must have protection to protect both party. During that day’s bbbj, I saw that she examined my cock and smell it while licking, sucking and deep-throating it. While I was enjoying the bbbj, she suddenly climbed on me and just inserted it in. I was shocked. She said to just go on. That day, when I was about to cum, I took it out and shot it all over her belly. She chided me and asked why didn't shoot inside cos she liked the warm feeling of the cum inside her. She made me promise to cip next time onwards. We have been doing it raw and cip ever since.

I asked her why suddenly she agreed to do it raw (no extra money needed) and she replied she didn't like the rubbery feel, very uncomfortable to her. With another customer, she must protect herself but with me, she wanted to enjoy the feeling. She say, I hear. She also explained I was clean and she trusted me. She promised me she is clean too. She regularly shows me her medical checkup results to let me know she is clean. I asked if she do it raw with others and she said only me (hope I can believe her…). Its been about 9-10 months since we started raw and cip. We are like fuck buddy but must pay regular standard fee. I often overstay, from 90 minutes to 2 hours just chatting and hugging.

If you highly suspect she is one of those who let you raw and cip too, pm me to share her name and details. Then I will consider to stop. �� I also scare but the feeling damn shoik.

[yowkimfui]

Wow! Grandmother still working in industry, she power ah. :D Anyway, thanks for sharing the story, bro.

She was a Milf when I know her. Only last month, her daughter gave birth to a baby. All history liao. I cant even remember her name. lolx.