Quitting SBF After 20 Years

[watmidoin]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[shimasu]

Feel u bro.. stepping on landmines a few times myself.. tho I'm pretty new to the scene..

Worse is when bros provide FR they got zap or removed. Its so reminding me of the strong country that cannot accept truth that they don't like to hear..

Hope ur body and health gets better.. :)

[Rossyboi]

SBF service to the sponsors? Think I also have a number of post being 'Deleted' when I check my posts. I suppose, only juicy positives, anything else is deem as harmful?...

Been on Sammy for many many years with my other ID. created this one so it's not so obviously me... haha. Had a hands full of 'landmines' meself over the years.

Equally as dangerous is landing on someone that you absolutely vibe with and have heavenly good time each RTF. These are the ones bros (including me) dun write about much because they wanna keep it to themselves for... (whatever reason)...

Been RTF'ing one recently, only one... can't get her off my head... I'm a pretty rational person when money is involved... but just can't stop thinking of her... die liao.

haha.

maybe I should be like TS, walk away from Sammy, but not sure if that's gonna help.

[sammyboyfor]

The internet is a very complicated place nowadays and overheads are huge.

I lost close to $80,000 dollars to get things going. I managed to recoup my initial investment only when the forum went from being a hobby site to actually accepting paid adverts from the OKTs.

If just 20% of the active members bought premium membership I could keep things going without the need for advertising revenue. Sadly it's more like 0.05% and I'd be USD6000 in the red every month without advertising revenue. Of course I fully understand why people don't want to whip out their credit cards to pay for membership on a website like this one. I have done my best to set up the billing system to be very discrete by involving a third party processor but the reluctance is still understandable.

Finally the IMDA is not helping things. They are doing their best to put me out of business. This is one of my prime motivations is to keep things going rather than succumb to the pressure and the legal threats.

Hopefully the forum still provides value to those seeking an outlet and I would like everyone stay around for as long as possible.

Sad to see you go. I too long for the good old days but nothing lasts forever.



I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[sammyboyfor]

If anyone has a workable solution to making the site financially viable without being beholden to anyone I'd love to hear from them. :p

If there's a billionaire out there who can return the site to its roots with a nice cash injection I'd love to hear from him/her too.

Elon Musk are you interested? Twitter cost you USD44 BILLION. You can have this site for a fraction of that.

Majulah Singapura.

[Steventan]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

Feel u bro.. stepping on landmines a few times myself.. tho I'm pretty new to the scene..

Worse is when bros provide FR they got zap or removed. Its so reminding me of the strong country that cannot accept truth that they don't like to hear..

Hope ur body and health gets better.. :)

Hope u guys are well, please don’t leave SBF

[2realise4fun]

Maybe onlyfans can invest . Hahaha


Should get the onlyfans/fansly content creators to use here to promote. Charge them a small fee, double digit will do.

[shimasu]

Nope I'm not the one quitting haha. Personally I just get wiser to take info with a pinch of salt loh. Sofar at least its just a handful of landmines and not something worse, like scam or 仙人跳. Not complaining as I do have my share of great bonks.

sammyboy big boss, thanks for still holding this space for the bros needs. Maybe just wishful thinking lah.

The forum still serve as a place with good info for us for sure :)

[timeliness]

I'm just wondering, how about a consolidation or collaboration with other forums and sites?

[TWongJ]

Take care bro, i also share the same thoughts and given up on the local scene. I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[funb]

It is the balancing act the sbf has to take. Remain profitable and the effort to run the site and engaging forum users .

Its a tough act. Advertising revenue from okt vs forum users who post fake fr .. some okt are posting totally fake or overly PS photo etc.

Bad thing is negative FR are quickly deleted which are uncalled for unless its is proven to be sabotage job (another tough effort to determine).

Since it so tough and waste time to monitor might as well let fake or geninue, positive or negative fr to be posted until okts or some seniors can provide info to confirm they are fake.

If only positive FR are available, it seem bland and give the impression its like a fake forum lacking the real world or human touch. Eventually sbf will lose users and hence advertisers when viewerships reduced.

Tough job balancing but all the best to sbf and hope sbf will only get better and profitable for the boss in the long run.

Personally i feel no need to keep those fake okts. Eventually they will drag down the forum as a whole.. yes for short term they provide the much needed fundings .. but like cancer they are slowly eroding the forum and only turn users off. In the long run even decent okts also dragged down becos everyone is sketical.

[dieth1234]

I can understand what you means. I believe many can understand.
I can understand boss difficulty too.

The same issues happen with sglonelyguy and sgbeautycastle.

sglonelyguy is the one who help me to quit ML.

During COVID times, I spend a lot at sglonelyguy.
Everytime I go I book 2 hours. I break with my gf and like to cuddle.
So I book 2 hours so I can have time to cuddle. Sometimes I also go lunch with ML. It’s great at the beginning. The standards are good.

However, as time passes, the standard drops until ML don’t even deliver the minimum. The last straw comes when I meet an auntie ML. I give her a chance think old is fine, as long as you deliver the minimum. Minimum is massage for at least 45 mins. She took my money and only massage me for 15 mins. Then leave me on the bed and go do her makeup.

I need to thanks her. She make me so piss off and make me quit ML completely. Maybe is luck too. I just keep meeting bad to worst and no words to describe….

I miss the good old days… I think it is the same in every industry now. People just want fast money and try to cut corners everywhere… in the old days, at least you will get what you pay for. It is no longer the case now. It is even worst with scammer. Seem like scammer is a good career nowadays…. Haha

I never go to any ML nowadays. I know most FR is fake. How you tell? Those who write the FR is newly joined with <10 reputation. They never even put in efforts to increase reputation first before posting fake FR. Of course, it is time issue. Everyone want to earn quick money. Especially those youngsters…

I will just monitor the situation. Who knows, I will be back if the situation ever improves. My 2 cents….

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[sammyboyfor]

The biggest complaint regarding this forum has always been over the fake freelancer stuff.

However those who started this journey the same time that I did will recall that I never intended to feature freelancers in the forum in the first place.

The forum was started to share information regarding the legal girls at Geylang and the other legal districts and the grey zone in health centres and ktv lounges.

The FL dome came about because the OKTs started flooding the forum. That's when the FL Dome had to be created along with its warning about FLs not going through the necessary check ups and was therefore a "buyer beware" section.

736995

The forum took off when more and more "illegal" OKTs found the forum to be the best place on the net to make money at my expense.

The financial turnaround came about because one of the members here offered to set up the infrastructure necessary to collect money from the pimp underworld and send a portion to me so that I could pay the bills. It was either that or I would have called it quits. The traffic was massive and required 4 huge load balanced servers to keep things going.

Sadly he ended up paying the price and spent time in jail. Such are the risks of keeping a site like this going in this day and age. It's not just vice that is illegal. Just about everything in this site is now absolutely unacceptable in this woke dystopia we now live in.

Even images of fully clothed girls can be deemed to be "sexualising". Discussions about boobs and pussies are misogynistic and objectifying. Nothing here is celebrated. Everything is condemned.

I'm tired.

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too. I'd love all the old timers to stick around because we all traveled this journey together for what is now almost a quarter of a century and we've all shared the same experience of falling testosterone levels, failed relationships, dwindling libido, health scares and all the other factors associated with advancing years.

But life goes on..... :D

[guyorgirl]

Honestly, I don't buy premium because I don't go for FLs or commercials.

The idea is to come here, meet fuckers, chit chat, tcss and share life experiences/preferences/sexual happiness we have in life.

Pictures are not a must these days with the massive porn sites around, additionally what's the fun in seeing a porn actress nude? What we want is to see people we know - nude.

I'm guessing advertisement is always a trade off, I cannot complain if I don't buy premium and business is a business. We cannot expect you to make a loss just that we gain.

Somebody has to gain from losses and while you are tired, there are the few fuckers around that still makes this a good place. Less those who are AH fuckers of course.

The bright side which i really appreciate is there are no fucking pop ups. Click Page 2, and 10 pop ups appear, closing 5 opens another 5. Closing those 5 opens another 2, closing those 2 finally after 5 mins, I get to see my site.

So keep it up... I'm willing to have advertisements if you need the revenue to keep going.

[archiez]

too bad as I just joined today….(just bcos forgot my previous login) lol

[hayser]

Good luck, well wishes to u

[ah rat]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o


No need to quit. Whenever you free. Just drop by to see see look to see some of your samster friend here.

[oxeso]

Tiagong if u can't change the situation, change ur mindset. If u can't change ur mindset, change ur doctor. :D Enjoy.. :D

[ssspikeee]

The biggest complaint regarding this forum has always been over the fake freelancer stuff.

However those who started this journey the same time that I did will recall that I never intended to feature freelancers in the forum in the first place.

The forum was started to share information regarding the legal girls at Geylang and the other legal districts and the grey zone in health centres and ktv lounges.

The FL dome came about because the OKTs started flooding the forum. That's when the FL Dome had to be created along with its warning about FLs not going through the necessary check ups and was therefore a "buyer beware" section.

736995

The forum took off when more and more "illegal" OKTs found the forum to be the best place on the net to make money at my expense.

The financial turnaround came about because one of the members here offered to set up the infrastructure necessary to collect money from the pimp underworld and send a portion to me so that I could pay the bills. It was either that or I would have called it quits. The traffic was massive and required 4 huge load balanced servers to keep things going.

Sadly he ended up paying the price and spent time in jail. Such are the risks of keeping a site like this going in this day and age. It's not just vice that is illegal. Just about everything in this site is now absolutely unacceptable in this woke dystopia we now live in.

Even images of fully clothed girls can be deemed to be "sexualising". Discussions about boobs and pussies are misogynistic and objectifying. Nothing here is celebrated. Everything is condemned.

I'm tired.

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too. I'd love all the old timers to stick around because we all traveled this journey together for what is now almost a quarter of a century and we've all shared the same experience of falling testosterone levels, failed relationships, dwindling libido, health scares and all the other factors associated with advancing years.

But life goes on..... :D

It’s not easy. I can only imagine all the struggles you’re facing.
Even though I didn’t join from way back, I must say what you did with SBF is quite a game changer for SG. Maybe you think I’m flattering you or what but i seriously think what you did altered the course of SG sexual history in some ways. And that’s to be applauded.

As with most things SG that need to be clean, nice and properly curated, SBF was a nice two-finger salute to all that. And it’s also to show how human we all are.

Given how you’ve even managed to keep this place up for so long is already amazing. Yeah so things aren’t like the way it was before, and ppl need to work so much harder to find the gems, but I think SBF is still useful for the purpose it stands for.

So thank you.

[Frankiestine]

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too. I'd love all the old timers to stick around because we all traveled this journey together for what is now almost a quarter of a century and we've all shared the same experience of falling testosterone levels, failed relationships, dwindling libido, health scares and all the other factors associated with advancing years.

But life goes on..... :D

Always be here since the days of Delphi, this forum is not only about sex, i glad it has broaden beyond that, we even have a resident doc on board dishing out advice. I am sure there are still many of the old timers lurking round just perhaps like me time has caught up we need to slow down..but that doesn't mean we are gone..

[blacknight6]

I am sure there are still many of the old timers lurking round just perhaps like me time has caught up we need to slow down..but that doesn't mean we are gone..

Agree with you bro.

[whoizzit2]

I totally understand your situation bro.
Me, I on and off nowadays and like you said age catching up too and thrill and excitement wasn't as exciting as before.
What I do is save some $$ and go outside of SG once awhile and have a bit of fun with some 'friend/friends' who I enjoy the company more.

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

[ah rat]

Always be here since the days of Delphi, this forum is not only about sex, i glad it has broaden beyond that, we even have a resident doc on board dishing out advice. I am sure there are still many of the old timers lurking round just perhaps like me time has caught up we need to slow down..but that doesn't mean we are gone..

Bro you still love butt-hole. :)

[Frankiestine]

Bro you still love butt-hole. :)

of course but now no more opportunities...:(

[DickyWang]

The forum took off when more and more "illegal" OKTs found the forum to be the best place on the net to make money at my expense.

I'm tired.

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too.

But life goes on..... :D

Dear sammyboyfor,

Thank you for all your hard work behind the background and keeping this forum alive. I come here for whoring research and wanking joy every other day and took the running of this forum for granted. Reading what you said made me feel for you and the obstacles you must have faced. Thank you for keeping up with the good fight and hope you can last another 25 years!

[WongHinKong]

Honestly, I don't buy premium because I don't go for FLs or commercials.


The bright side which i really appreciate is there are no fucking pop ups. Click Page 2, and 10 pop ups appear, closing 5 opens another 5. Closing those 5 opens another 2, closing those 2 finally after 5 mins, I get to see my site.



This one totally with u bro. Im happy that there is No pops up when we are surfing around this forum.

I wana to thank this forum for providing me information and updates since I was single till im married now with 2 big boys.
Shall I say that this forum and I went thru "酸甜苦辣".:)

I feel sad as many members and brother like TS retiring from this forum.
I did that years ago, and back here again to find the "Belonging Feel".
Not for sex desire definitely. This kinda of feel that we brothers missed. Not that kinda of Gay feel also.

Nevertheless, lets wish TS a good retirement from this forum. Do visit us whenever u free.-If u reading this.:)

[VDOM]

The internet is a very complicated place nowadays and overheads are huge.

I lost close to $80,000 dollars to get things going. I managed to recoup my initial investment only when the forum went from being a hobby site to actually accepting paid adverts from the OKTs.

If just 20% of the active members bought premium membership I could keep things going without the need for advertising revenue. Sadly it's more like 0.05% and I'd be USD6000 in the red every month without advertising revenue. Of course I fully understand why people don't want to whip out their credit cards to pay for membership on a website like this one. I have done my best to set up the billing system to be very discrete by involving a third party processor but the reluctance is still understandable.

Finally the IMDA is not helping things. They are doing their best to put me out of business. This is one of my prime motivations is to keep things going rather than succumb to the pressure and the legal threats.

Hopefully the forum still provides value to those seeking an outlet and I would like everyone stay around for as long as possible.

Sad to see you go. I too long for the good old days but nothing lasts forever.

Interesting for the boss to say that.

Today I have my 2 yrs old thread removed without reason.
I created another thread and within hours it's gone.

Again I created one more asking admin what have I done to have my thread deleted, no reply and just removed my last thread.

You said you would like old samsters to stay, but you are doing otherwise.

My thread did not openly posted any juciy stuffs nor sharing openly budget joints. Yet you just remove without reason.

Please don't be a hypocrite.

Been supporting this forum for years this is how sbf treated it's long time supporter. Period.

I asked a legit question and no reply?

Then you as the boss here sweet talking asking long time supporter to stay?

You joking?

[sammyboyfor]

Interesting for the boss to say that.

Today I have my 2 yrs old thread removed without reason.
I created another thread and within hours it's gone.

Again I created one more asking admin what have I done to have my thread deleted, no reply and just removed my last thread.

You said you would like old samsters to stay, but you are doing otherwise.

My thread did not openly posted any juciy stuffs nor sharing openly budget joints. Yet you just remove without reason.

Please don't be a hypocrite.

Been supporting this forum for years this is how sbf treated it's long time supporter. Period.

I asked a legit question and no reply?

Then you as the boss here sweet talking asking long time supporter to stay?

You joking?

I asked to old timers to hang around to talk cock sing song rather than create strife. :D

As far as editorial control is concerned it left my hands when I sold my soul. I am not responsible for figuring out what is spam, what is genuine sharing and what is covert advertising. It is left to those who know what is going on behind the scenes.

[dman19]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

You have to expect some landmines here and there, and there are some that just don’t suit your taste. The way you write tells me you are probably smart enough to do some good homework before you go finding a lady for a commercial fuck. In my own experiences and I have been chionging for a while, I find that at least 60-70% of new visits didn’t leave me disappointed and I only had to do some simple research before each new visits.

Like you, I enjoy long loving cuddles which lead me to think that FL domes may not be for you because the girls are unlikely to give you the kind of gfe you crave. Maybe explore the ML area or spend some effort to find yourself a FWB or FB. Go and get yourself a girlfriend if you don’t have one or volunteer to do some social work to return back to society.

Ultimately, I hope you find some direction after quitting this forum even though I don’t think this is the solution to your problems.feel free to PM me if you do I would very much like to hear about it :) good luck bro

[chatlovers]

Bro you still love butt-hole. :)

Hahaha 😆 😂

[dman19]

I asked to old timers to hang around to talk cock sing song rather than create strife. :D

As far as editorial control is concerned it left my hands when I sold my soul. I am not responsible for figuring out what is spam, what is genuine sharing and what is covert advertising. It is left to those who know what is going on behind the scenes.

Thanks for keeping this place alive. Always gonna have trolls around. Nobody is a saint and it’s up to the individual to make the best out of whatever they can get here.

[chinacuntlover]

If anyone has a workable solution to making the site financially viable without being beholden to anyone I'd love to hear from them. :p

If there's a billionaire out there who can return the site to its roots with a nice cash injection I'd love to hear from him/her too.

Elon Musk are you interested? Twitter cost you USD44 BILLION. You can have this site for a fraction of that.

Majulah Singapura.

Post X
Both have x-rated content:D
Thanks for the forum. Much happiness for the little brother.
To sieve genuine FR, look for bro with long membership and useful posts. Suspect are those with few post and posting too good to be true FR.

[wpns]

[QUOTE=watmidoin;23593794]I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

/QUOTE]

Wish u a good retirement ahead bro. Do drop in see see look look whenever u free.

Soon, it will be my 20yrs in SBF also.
It has been good journey for most of the bro here.:D including myself.:)
Yes. SBF has evolved alot and changed over the years.
Im glad that Sillypore gov still not able to block this website. ( Lets keep it this way please)

I still remember that I got my 1st local FL booking with a minah (She was 19 yrs ITE student, Cfm her age via ID check before action )thru here, cant forget her. Her foreplay and bbbj was the best. Fxxk and did a good CIM for her. She sxxked till clean. That is the moment that I fell in love with CIM mission.

The I moved onto PRC FL ( best one still in Chinatown- Piak her in her rental room, no raw as she insisted protection, no do cim), and then onto Thai FLs.( as 99% of them can do CIM mission).

Those are the days and memories.
I still will login in On & Off to read stuffs, watch AV, other movies, see hot pictures,...etc. I guess SBF has been a part of my life. :)

[Shrader]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o



Sounds more like a hiatus you are taking.

Anyway, time gets us all, each and everyone.
We all change slowly in our own little ways over time, just that we do not feel it.
What I wanted 20, 15, 10, 5 years ago and now is also different.

Till you return, bro.

[Shrader]

Don't want to create new thread, so asking here, is there a DDOS thing happening on one of the weblink ?
Refresh also cannot access.

[lookingaround]

Time flies...don't know how long in sbf liao:D

[Libero]

Wow, what a thread. Glad to have read it.

The Internet now is not the Internet 20 years ago.

It is full of spam, bots, and other money scamming rubbish.

I am glad this forum survived till today.

Where would we have gone punting without it? To the library to get a LexisNexis login? Lol...

With all platforms today, forums, Twitter/X, etc, u need to do your own due diligence more than ever.

Whole bunch of folks these days can't even read, waiting to be spoonfed about all kinds of info here.

Continue in the spirit of yesterdays - take a punt, gather intelligence, and share info for the good of punting bros.

[chatlovers]

Time flies...don't know how long in sbf liao:D

You just completed your 20th anniversary bro. Congratulations!

[rapid75]

If anyone has a workable solution to making the site financially viable without being beholden to anyone I'd love to hear from them. :p

If there's a billionaire out there who can return the site to its roots with a nice cash injection I'd love to hear from him/her too.

Elon Musk are you interested? Twitter cost you USD44 BILLION. You can have this site for a fraction of that.

Majulah Singapura.

Bro, ever consider something like carousell? App that any freelancer can post their photo, once deal the platform takes a cut.

[Lennyberg]

Looking back.. I am since 2008 but I believe I was a silent reader before that.

I had been quite determine to quit the local landscape too after multiple landmines in a row couple of months ago. I believe this time round I will be resolved enough to quit local FL and only cheong overseas, maybe legal GL if needed but I doubt I will ever go to the domes again.

Just to share.. :p I was in Vancouver a couple of days ago... Had a great Japanese girl for 2 rounds for half the cost of what it would be for 1 round in Singapore. :D

Am in US now.. Got kang tao.. but it will be way too ex to enjoy :rolleyes:

[oxeso]

Where would we have gone punting without it?
Can de la.. last time 90s no internet we also chiong until no day no night. Or maybe cos tat time more happenings, simi lobangs also have.. scare no money only. :D

[chatlovers]

Looking back.. I am since 2008 but I believe I was a silent reader before that.

I had been quite determine to quit the local landscape too after multiple landmines in a row couple of months ago. I believe this time round I will be resolved enough to quit local FL and only cheong overseas, maybe legal GL if needed but I doubt I will ever go to the domes again.

Just to share.. :p I was in Vancouver a couple of days ago... Had a great Japanese girl for 2 rounds for half the cost of what it would be for 1 round in Singapore. :D

Am in US now.. Got kang tao.. but it will be way too ex to enjoy :rolleyes:

Japanese in Singapore are certainly over priced. Worst if they aren't real Japanese

[Xgenre]

We are all guests. Day 1 to 20 years later for me, still a guest. Don't think too much. Just enjoy yourself and create future memories.

Last time we come here to find and exchange lobang for good fun. The aim is to find good fun and not to lament about how the process of finding good fun has changed. Now still the same for me. Will find gems, will find landmines. That is the same 20 years ago

No need to come to forum to complain about life, how things were better, how unfair blah blah blah in. All these things you can do in real life. No need to login to do the same stuff

[LordVader]

I come here for the lols you come here for the sex. :cool:

[Rowse]

I remember reading something someone written in SBF before.
It goes something like -

You cannot unknow once you know, you cannot unlearn once you learn.
You can leave SBF, but SBF won't leave you. (or SBF will still be here.)

Heres to hoping will be here for a for a long long time yet.

[Hurricane88]

We are all guests. Day 1 to 20 years later for me, still a guest. Don't think too much. Just enjoy yourself and create future memories.

Last time we come here to find and exchange lobang for good fun. The aim is to find good fun and not to lament about how the process of finding good fun has changed. Now still the same for me. Will find gems, will find landmines. That is the same 20 years ago

No need to come to forum to complain about life, how things were better, how unfair blah blah blah in. All these things you can do in real life. No need to login to do the same stuff

SBF will survived all these times...there is really no reason to quit and really quit...sbf will always waiting for anone to return...:)

sbf have enough info and interesting threads to follow...there are many reasons to login...:)

Some like to come here to correct grammar...
Some like to come here to complain kpkb...
Some like to come here to write their adventures...
Some like to come here to write their stories....
Some like to come here to write ask when they go to a city and ask if anyone wants to join...
Some like to come here to ask from A to Z...
Some like to come here to ask for all sorts of contacts...

sure many other possibilities to login...

[Lennyberg]

Japanese in Singapore are certainly over priced. Worst if they aren't real Japanese

:D Mine was confirm 100% real Japanese!

I was playing google translate with her from Jap to Eng and vice versa. Like playing Thai to English and vice versa.

Damn sexy. This is definitely one of the most memorable escapades.

[sony2002]

Looking back.. I am since 2008 but I believe I was a silent reader before that.

I had been quite determine to quit the local landscape too after multiple landmines in a row couple of months ago. I believe this time round I will be resolved enough to quit local FL and only cheong overseas, maybe legal GL if needed but I doubt I will ever go to the domes again.

Just to share.. :p I was in Vancouver a couple of days ago... Had a great Japanese girl for 2 rounds for half the cost of what it would be for 1 round in Singapore. :D

Am in US now.. Got kang tao.. but it will be way too ex to enjoy :rolleyes:

bo jio, i was in Vancouver last week and fucked a Japanese AV girl

check your pm ok :rolleyes:

[azuretears]

If no fake FR then forum cannot operate? bullshit

Because of the lack of trustworthy FRs, okts are likely getting much fewer customers as many here are put off by the prospects of photoshopped baby elephants with shit service. And why is that the case? Because they have no incentive to buck up since bad FRs can be deleted so easily

Want to run a business, run it properly, dont fuck customers over with fake pictures and shit service and try to cover up

[Aristol]

I never found fake frs a problem. After 2 lessons on ps pics and fake frs, learnt to make lemonade from lemons.
With experience, I found it a very very good guide.

Anyway, forum not just about sex, some threads discussion go off into very cheem stuff, quite a knowledge booster.

[EtherC]

On bad seasons one would be considered fortunate with 30% good lays. It's normal to encounter older chicks or over PSed photos, no one will police it for you. Unless the girl is terribly bad or infectious, few chiongsters would bother with an -ve FR. Its also pointless as it will be soon removed. No one is so free to perform futile tasks.

Its up to us to reject on the spot and give some kopi $.

I used to write FRs for gems but got attacked and labelled a OKT writer LOL. Never bothered after that. Why waste my precious time?

Frankly I think this year we have had some good gems arriving thanks to the China visa waiver . My good lay stats actually improved to 50% this season.

You want a fantastic hitrate then go to high end KTV , but do you have the deep pockets? Everyone wants cheap , fresh & dua liap. Think so easy to find ah?

[WongHinKong]

On bad seasons one would be considered fortunate with 30% good lays. It's normal to encounter older chicks or over PSed photos, no one will police it for you. Unless the girl is terribly bad or infectious, few chiongsters would bother with an -ve FR. Its also pointless as it will be soon removed. No one is so free to perform futile tasks.

Its up to us to reject on the spot and give some kopi $.

I used to write FRs for gems but got attacked and labelled a OKT writer LOL. Never bothered after that. Why waste my precious time?

Frankly I think this year we have had some good gems arriving thanks to the China visa waiver . My good lay stats actually improved to 50% this season.

You want a fantastic hitrate then go to high end KTV , but do you have the deep pockets? Everyone wants cheap , fresh & dua liap. Think so easy to find ah?

Nowsday KTV like hang flowers- Gals are butterfly ard alot. Minimum Tips $50 or $100 if not, they transfer from sweet angels to ugly devils.lols Unlike those days back in 2000s, BS KTV next Shell station is one of the best KTVs I went. Gals are fun to play. Deals in room. Grab those boobs, and fingered the ladies till wet wet, Deep french kiss with them. Bumped into my clients there too. lolx

[Lennyberg]

bo jio, i was in Vancouver last week and fucked a Japanese AV girl

check your pm ok :rolleyes:

Paiseh Paiseh Didnt see sbf until now.

Back in SG now. replied your pm ;)

[Libero]

Don't have to keep thinking about the good old days, 10 years ago... 20 years ago... 30 years ago?

GL, KTV, Dongguan, etc... back then is all memories by now.

Deal with the present, do your research, combat fakes and misinformation, and share good FRs.

[dumbpayingsimp]

Don't have to keep thinking about the good old days, 10 years ago... 20 years ago... 30 years ago?

GL, KTV, Dongguan, etc... back then is all memories by now.

Deal with the present, do your research, combat fakes and misinformation, and share good FRs.

Yes agree with Libero bro, current state we have to do our homework first, to research and do cross check on various posting accounts to judge the FR credibility.

Definitely big changes for the past 6+ years for me. But i guess that's how things are, to keep the web alive and running, with various OKTs posts.

Actually concept is similar to youtube advertisement, there are so many advs to watch on youtube if you don't have youtube premium.

[dumbpayingsimp]

This forum holds great reminiscence for all of us here. We can talk about anything and everything without being condemned. It began even before the Facebook era and has survived to this day.

In my honest opinion (no hate intended), the quality of the forum has gradually declined since the post-Covid era. There are now more fake FRs being posted than genuine ones, and negative FRs are quickly removed (if you even managed to catch a glimpse of them). The FRs are just plainly full marks. I wish they were more realistic - do you even get full marks for your work appraisal?

I suppose that due to higher operating costs post-Covid, there is a greater need to generate revenue from advertisements. Meanwhile, basic users like us dislike the fake FRs and are unwilling to pay a premium since the benefits is rather minimal.

There aren’t many feasible ideas for increasing revenue except for incorporating website advertisements, similar to how youtube evolved from having no ads to featuring 30-second ads. Introducing content updates by different users will greatly increase costs as it require significantly more servers.

I hope new ideas will emerge to help the forum stay alive.

[mangoes49]

I’ve met lots of good brothers (fellow pervs haha) here on SBF. In fact more brotherly than most of my friends irl. DM if you wanna chat about pussy or just life in general

[SirLance]

Dun have to quit. Just dun bother to login.

[Aristol]

I think more than half of the members are into tcss and only sometimes into paid sex.
SBF is also very useful if you are travelling in SEA and want to try out the locals, I have always found it a very useful tool in that case.
People come and go, but good that sbf is still here.

[tankawen]

I think more than half of the members are into tcss and only sometimes into paid sex.
SBF is also very useful if you are travelling in SEA and want to try out the locals, I have always found it a very useful tool in that case.
People come and go, but good that sbf is still here.


SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

[Hurricane88]

SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

Good that boss sammyboyfor reading here...I do empathize with you...:)

You can dun login if you think is rubbish...also can dun need go to International sub-forum since you are so unhappy...:)\\

Also dun need to post...:)

[tankawen]

Good that boss Sam reading here...I do empathize with you...:)

You can dun login if you think is rubbish...also can dun need go to International sub-forum since you are so unhappy...:)\\

Also dun need to post...:)

I was just referring to the statement of SBF being good for international mongering. At the end of the day, boss Sam started this forum, and it's his choice how he wants to run it and make money out of it.

Nowadays I just use the forum for what it is primarily - an advertisement channel, to find FLs being advertised. I'll contribute my reviews to keep what's left of it alive, but it's up to you whether to delete.

There's no need to be passive-aggressively telling people to "leave if you don't like it" when I'm just stating my opinion. As a service user, I know that I can stop logging in whenever I wish to. As a service provider, you don't need to be aggro every time someone says something you don't like to hear. It's just feedback and it's up to you and boss Sam whether to do anything about it.

[Hurricane88]

I was just referring to the statement of SBF being good for international mongering. At the end of the day, boss Sam started this forum, and it's his choice how he wants to run it and make money out of it.

Nowadays I just use the forum for what it is primarily - an advertisement channel, to find FLs being advertised. I'll contribute my reviews to keep what's left of it alive, but it's up to you whether to delete.

There's no need to be passive-aggressively telling people to "leave if you don't like it" when I'm just stating my opinion. As a service user, I know that I can stop logging in whenever I wish to. As a service provider, you don't need to be aggro every time someone says something you don't like to hear. It's just feedback and it's up to you and boss Sam whether to do anything about it.

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...:)

[tankawen]

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...:)

I know you're just a moderator and boss Sam has already explained his difficulties in keeping the site financially viable without selling out. I fully understand this. And my initial opinion was not a controversial one. Boss Sam had already acknowledged that the site isn't as vibrant anymore.

Anyway, I think you shouldn't have this mindset of "you're not a paying premium customer, you have no rights so shut up or leave". Yes, SBF is now mainly a B2B business, whether the main revenue stream is advertising dollars from OKTS. Only a minority of revenue comes from premium membership. That being said, non-premium members like me are still customers of your advertisers, which means we are customers of your customers.

If that's not clear enough, let's use Facebook or Coca-Cola as examples. They are B2B businesses as well. Facebook sells to advertisers, while Cola-Cola sells to bottlers and distributors. But do you think Meta/Facebook will ever tell non-paying users to "leave if you're not happy and go use tiktok instead"? Or Cola-Cola will tell end-consumers to "go drink Pepsi instead if you don't like our taste"? No, because they still need happy end-consumers to sell more advertisements or more bottles.

Anyway, I've said my piece. My original comment was purely on the over-moderation in the international forum, because it's really a shadow of what it used to be. I had benefitted very much in the past when I travelled to Tokyo, HCMC or Jakarta because of the generous sharing by fellow bros here, but now that's no longer possible.

[Hurricane88]

I know you're just a moderator and boss Sam has already explained his difficulties in keeping the site financially viable without selling out. I fully understand this. And my initial opinion was not a controversial one. Boss Sam had already acknowledged that the site isn't as vibrant anymore.

Anyway, I think you shouldn't have this mindset of "you're not a paying premium customer, you have no rights so shut up or leave". Yes, SBF is now mainly a B2B business, whether the main revenue stream is advertising dollars from OKTS. Only a minority of revenue comes from premium membership. That being said, non-premium members like me are still customers of your advertisers, which means we are customers of your customers.

If that's not clear enough, let's use Facebook or Coca-Cola as examples. They are B2B businesses as well. Facebook sells to advertisers, while Cola-Cola sells to bottlers and distributors. But do you think Meta/Facebook will ever tell non-paying users to "leave if you're not happy and go use tiktok instead"? Or Cola-Cola will tell end-consumers to "go drink Pepsi instead if you don't like our taste"? No, because they still need happy end-consumers to sell more advertisements or more bottles.

Anyway, I've said my piece. My original comment was purely on the over-moderation in the international forum, because it's really a shadow of what it used to be. I had benefitted very much in the past when I travelled to Tokyo, HCMC or Jakarta because of the generous sharing by fellow bros here, but now that's no longer possible.

I fully agree with you and when you said your piece...remember I can say mine...is all words...and nothing hurting or insulting...you can say and mod also can say....:)

mod always love forum and for those who contributed I always try to up their points and gave encouragement...:)

remember we are all human and need to be have some humility....btw hcm is only one thread and there were many threads in International sub-forum...why dun you go other threads and see how vibrant those threads were...I disagree with you for Tokyo and Jakarta threads...the threads had been well followed and many had given nice forums...:)

There is a new hcm sponsor and please go support...leave a forum when you support...:)

[Annoymous]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o


I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

Wish you good health. I think SBF is almost like NS for many millennial guys in Singapore. Not too sure about Gen Z, i believe they have much more channels/platforms these days.

Unfortunately, the commercialization bit is. You can't shoot those who pay you unless, like the boss said, more bros here take up the premium membership.

One idea I have is that since quite many bros here mentioned they don't go for paid services, etc, and only come here to tcss, can there be some 'basic subscription' that costs much less (e.g. 2.99 / month like Amazon Prime)? Provided charges are discreet, I am sure more bros will take it up.

[azuretears]

Hard to see a reason why sbf cant continue to accept ad dollars in return for hosting okt ads, and at the same time, moderate in a more neutral way

Its just a matter okts and sbf admins being lazy about doing checks and verifications to ensure girls perform well, and do any investigation/customer recovery in event of bad service to confirm bad FRs

Because of the lack of trustworthy FRs, okts are likely getting much fewer customers as many here are put off by the prospects of photoshopped baby elephants with shit service. And why is that the case? Because they have no incentive to buck up since bad FRs can be deleted so easily

[dumbpayingsimp]

Wish you good health. I think SBF is almost like NS for many millennial guys in Singapore. Not too sure about Gen Z, i believe they have much more channels/platforms these days.

Unfortunately, the commercialization bit is. You can't shoot those who pay you unless, like the boss said, more bros here take up the premium membership.

One idea I have is that since quite many bros here mentioned they don't go for paid services, etc, and only come here to tcss, can there be some 'basic subscription' that costs much less (e.g. 2.99 / month like Amazon Prime)? Provided charges are discreet, I am sure more bros will take it up.

Agree bro suggestion with the basic monthly subscription cost too. Currently the price of USD17.95/month, sorry tk say i don't see a very good reason to subscribe as the premium benefits are not so attractive.

In another perspective, USD17.95x12=215USD per year, equivalent to ~2 visits for dome 1 hahaha

Maybe a basic subscription at less than 6-8 dollars can attract more users to purchase. And maybe the users can access a special thread where it is less moderated, for users to share real FRs/thoughts (not in a way of online bashing the FL or OKT)

[Hurricane88]

Agree bro suggestion with the basic monthly subscription cost too. Currently the price of USD17.95/month, sorry tk say i don't see a very good reason to subscribe as the premium benefits are not so attractive.

In another perspective, USD17.95x12=215USD per year, equivalent to ~2 visits for dome 1 hahaha

Maybe a basic subscription at less than 6-8 dollars can attract more users to purchase. And maybe the users can access a special thread where it is less moderated, for users to share real FRs/thoughts (not in a way of online bashing the FL or OKT)

There is a Donor subscription..do you know Donors can have triple powers and also can delete/undelete your own posts...go read the Donors benefits to find out...:)

Flashback when threads are not moderated..the threads will go into full war zones and nobody can posts becos all the flaming with vulgarities with big fonts in every pages...many members found those threads impossible to read or posts becos there were two or more fighting each other...finally many members or TS will go to admin/boss to come in to remove the war zones...:)

I remembered boss created a special sub-sub-forum for those idiots to fight...ABC VS ZYZ threads...and let them fight in the threads...guess what happened these idiots fight in so many threads whenever one starfted to post in any threads...:)

The No_zap zone was formed due to all these zapping and fighting..the half zap points was also introduced becos many use clones to zap...:)

Legal sponsor moderating iwasanother issue...let me ask anyone reading here...if a non legal sponsor posted all the details of the establishment in 5 pages of a thread...then bother to recomment and giving fake forums about the entertaiment establishment in the thread...so obvious the person was okt or owner of the establishment trying to use sbf for free...then accused moderators of over-moderating...:)

[Marmots]

For the forum to be viable, first the bills have to be paid.
Since the advertisers are contributing the most revenue, concessions have to be made.

To get more paying non advertisers subscribers, there will have to be incentives.
Points and power are nice but no true value.

Premium Lounge are for those who paid.
What if FRs there will not be deleted ?
Have another tier of subscribers who can enter the lounge to view the FRs and post, but no other benefits.

That could potentially address 2 key issues, new revenue and FRs.

There are of course also problems with it, but it is just a raw idea that came to me.

I feel it is something that can be discussed and worked on.

[sammyboyfor]

SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

I don't see why the international section would be subject to the same moderation as the FL domes.

Can you give me an example of what was removed in the HCM thread?

[sammyboyfor]

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...:)

Would you remove a discussion or recommendation in the International section without it being requested by a paying advertiser?

I can understand your removal of obvious spam but if some brother here wrote a glowing recommendation regarding some broad he met is that subject to removal in the absence of an advertiser request?

[sammyboyfor]

When I created the premium forum it was my sincere hope that subscribers would use it to share stuff that they are reluctant to disclose in the open sections

Sadly the critical mass never developed. People subscribe just to want to the photos. There are only a few kind hearted souls who actually volunteer to help out with the overheads.

For the forum to be viable, first the bills have to be paid.
Since the advertisers are contributing the most revenue, concessions have to be made.

To get more paying non advertisers subscribers, there will have to be incentives.
Points and power are nice but no true value.

Premium Lounge are for those who paid.
What if FRs there will not be deleted ?
Have another tier of subscribers who can enter the lounge to view the FRs and post, but no other benefits.

That could potentially address 2 key issues, new revenue and FRs.

There are of course also problems with it, but it is just a raw idea that came to me.

I feel it is something that can be discussed and worked on.

[tankawen]

I don't see why the international section would be subject to the same moderation as the FL domes.

Can you give me an example of what was removed in the HCM thread?

Hi Boss Sam. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

There were specific posts that were removed already, so I cannot quote them specifically. For example, referring to this post:
https://sammy.services/showpost.php?p=23157431&postcount=4952

The post on Day 1 by bro Rey85 was deleted already, so I wouldn't be able to state what was being moderated. But within this post on Day 2 itself, another name was also deleted within the post.

There were other posts removed too, for mentioning "non sponsors". Just to quote a couple of examples:
https://sammy.services/showpost.php?p=22284679&postcount=4145
https://sammy.services/showpost.php?p=22311677&postcount=4179

I think Mod Hurricane88 also stated a certain spa's name is entirely banned from being mentioned:

Anyone discuss the illegal non-sponsor will be deleted...even if short form...although you can still search for info whatever in the past...:)

L* or L*** C***** or whatever format are illegal non-sponsor...:)

mod will not allow any discussion in this thread...pls feel free to post other topics or entertainment places...:)

And we can't even PM bros who have written reviews and have had their posts deleted to ask for contacts:

I am getting suspicious of all this newbie asking for okt contact...I suspect okt is trying to gain something here without paying sbf...bro GreenTea and mod is fully aware of this...:)

Rey85...pls do not PM/DM illegal non-sponsor okt contact in sbf...mod may take action if any...:)

I'm not some OKT or agent trying to promote that place, but I've been to that place before after reading about it previously on the forum, and it's a pretty decent place for first-timers to HCM to check out because of how fuss-free it is. Have recommended it to my personal friends when they went to Vietnam, and they liked it too. But too bad any mention of it has been banned since last year. So a newbie going to the thread wouldn't know about it.

Anyway, I had already said my piece, and as a non-premium member, I guess I have no say, so I am gonna just leave it as that. I'm only replying now because you took the time to reply and ask for examples.

Don't get me wrong. I know Mod Hurricane88 doesn't have an easy task, especially as a volunteer. It's a thankless job. My initial remark was purely directed at the International Section, and I totally understand why the various Domes are being run the way they are now. I have many fond memories after more than a decade being on this forum, so it'd be a sad day for me if this place really dies out

[Hurricane88]

Would you remove a discussion or recommendation in the International section without it being requested by a paying advertiser?


Yes, I will if the post consist of personal details such as external url of a non-sponsor and personal contact details posted in the post…😊


I can understand your removal of obvious spam but if some brother here wrote a glowing recommendation regarding some broad he met is that subject to removal in the absence of an advertiser request?

No, I will not remove such glowing recommendation so long no personal contact details posted in the post...:)

Even if advertiser asked me to remove I will not becos the post do not breach any rule...:)

[Hurricane88]

There were specific posts that were removed already, so I cannot quote them specifically. For example, referring to this post:
https://sammy.services/showpost.php?p=23157431&postcount=4952

I left the day 1 forum on for a few days until I read the day 2 forum...also many had started PM him for contacts...this was obviosuly using sbf without paying...each brother had to pay 9mil dong or close to S$500 per day for a gal to accompany from 1pm to next morning 7am....:)

Day 1 forum contains too many details of the gal which obviously was a company operated by okt...:)


And we can't even PM bros who have written reviews and have had their posts deleted to ask for contacts:

This I disagree...anyone can still PM and PM is confidential and mod cannot read PM...:)


I'm not some OKT or agent trying to promote that place, but I've been to that place before after reading about it previously on the forum, and it's a pretty decent place for first-timers to HCM to check out because of how fuss-free it is. Have recommended it to my personal friends when they went to Vietnam, and they liked it too. But too bad any mention of it has been banned since last year. So a newbie going to the thread wouldn't know about it.

Anyway, I had already said my piece, and as a non-premium member, I guess I have no say, so I am gonna just leave it as that. I'm only replying now because you took the time to reply and ask for examples.

Don't get me wrong. I know Mod Hurricane88 doesn't have an easy task, especially as a volunteer. It's a thankless job. My initial remark was purely directed at the International Section, and I totally understand why the various Domes are being run the way they are now. I have many fond memories after more than a decade being on this forum, so it'd be a sad day for me if this place really dies out

Hi hi...I dunno who are you since I dunno you at all...you can claim you are not this or that....really doen't matter to us....mod only moderate base on rules....:)

Read this why only two places cannot mentioned name in full...:)

https://sammyboyforum.online/showpost.php?p=23666547&postcount=5232

If anyone knew how to search the threads...the two places were mentioned almost every few posts...I didn't remove these posts...:)

Too bad if any brothers who wanted to be spoon-fed and didn't bother to read or search the threads...these places were mentioned repeatedly until I said hcm entertainment places had more than these two places..:)

Another spam that I removed was when a post to say I had PM you...why bother to post to tell us when you PM a person for contact in the info threads...In Brunei thread...almost every posts are asking for contacts and nobody posts sexciting forums...also nobody replied...if replied PM I will not know...:)

There was this person who wanted to share his gal friends from ex-gf...I wanted him to share for free and not charging any brothers here...but he said not free becos the gals need money then this again cannot appear in hcm thread without paying advertising...his idea was to allow his gal to deal with sbf brothers who willing to pay around $300 to 1k and not wasting time to date the gals...

After he read this post
https://sammyboyforum.online/showpost.php?p=23559077&postcount=5164

Vietnamese whores are not worth S$500 per day...if you bother to do research you can get s$30/- for fj inlcude bbbj and HDL...around 3mil to 5mil dongs for overnight...

Thank you for your feedback

[Hurricane88]

tankawen
sammyboyfor

https://sammyboyforum.online/showpost.php?p=23667435&postcount=6356

such beautiful post...definitley will not remove...this post dun breach any rule...:)

[spirits212]

The biggest complaint regarding this forum has always been over the fake freelancer stuff.

However those who started this journey the same time that I did will recall that I never intended to feature freelancers in the forum in the first place.

The forum was started to share information regarding the legal girls at Geylang and the other legal districts and the grey zone in health centres and ktv lounges.

The FL dome came about because the OKTs started flooding the forum. That's when the FL Dome had to be created along with its warning about FLs not going through the necessary check ups and was therefore a "buyer beware" section.

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The forum took off when more and more "illegal" OKTs found the forum to be the best place on the net to make money at my expense.

The financial turnaround came about because one of the members here offered to set up the infrastructure necessary to collect money from the pimp underworld and send a portion to me so that I could pay the bills. It was either that or I would have called it quits. The traffic was massive and required 4 huge load balanced servers to keep things going.

Sadly he ended up paying the price and spent time in jail. Such are the risks of keeping a site like this going in this day and age. It's not just vice that is illegal. Just about everything in this site is now absolutely unacceptable in this woke dystopia we now live in.

Even images of fully clothed girls can be deemed to be "sexualising". Discussions about boobs and pussies are misogynistic and objectifying. Nothing here is celebrated. Everything is condemned.

I'm tired.

I'm also saddened when I read messages of the sort that the TS posted yesterday. It makes me long for the good times too. I'd love all the old timers to stick around because we all traveled this journey together for what is now almost a quarter of a century and we've all shared the same experience of falling testosterone levels, failed relationships, dwindling libido, health scares and all the other factors associated with advancing years.

But life goes on..... :D

Thanks bro Sammy for starting and keeping the forum going. If it wasn't for SBF, I wouldn't have had all the Geylang and then eventually FL fun I had. I did wonder why the forum had changed, now I finally know. The community back then was probably just too good to last forever. It's different now but at least there's somewhere to browse to shop around.

[jabwemet]

I have decided to quit SBF. Again :o

I joined SBF on 17-02-2004, and finally went for commercial sex in 2006 to get rid of my virginity with a PRC FL (https://www.sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?t=57141). Back then, SBF's FL Dome (there was only one dome) had PRCs who were really freelancers. PDMM, factory workers, and "students". Bros would post FRs of their experiences and pass the FLs' contacts via PMs and emails. There were of course OKTs who pretended to be bros, but those were exposed very quickly by an angry mob if the girls did not match the descriptions. Back then, negative FRs remained for all to see. SBF was a treasure trove for people like me. However, I quit shortly after, deciding to give this concept called "love" another chance.

"Love" didn't quite work out and I returned to commercial sex around 2012. By then, agents had set up websites and filled them with photoshopped pictures :rolleyes: But bros were still writing FRs and you could tell which FLs were good based on the FRs. But men sometimes think with our cock and I had the bad luck of meeting a baby elephant PRC FL in a run down apartment filled with Hong Kong feet smell. The horrible Hong Kong feet smell left me so traumatized about hygiene that I quit commercial sex again.

I returned to commercial sex last year to escape life's unhappiness. While sex offered a good distraction, it is not the solution to my problems. And at my age, I really enjoy long loving cuddles after sex. In the commercial world, long loving cuddles are very expensive and my finances aren't there yet. Furthermore, my health is not holding up very well recently. I have thus decided to end my third stint with commercial sex.

I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.


Hey! I dunno if you will read this , but I think you will be back, maybe not to chiong, but to just check out what people are doing/saying and what price levels are today…

I myself have been a member here since the Delphi Forum days.
This site has been great for me to connect back to the local scene everytime I come back from overseas (due to studies, work).

So many happen memories and some landmines but to be honest, the great ones were truly memorable!

C-list celebrities , maybe even some A-Listers here back in day…
Oh my word. Great times.

Thanks to boss Sam for keeping this going, it really helped your fellow citizens out!

Also a shout out to all the ladies who made this brilliant!!

YOU ARE THE BEST!!


P.s eventhough you all saying this site was awesome 20yrs ago.. it still had issues with all the trolls (there were threads of two people ‘flaming’ each other that were 100 pages long , Trussadi vs Duckhunter) and the annual golden pussy arguments about ‘overpriced’ ladies/OKTs). Also June and Dec always had the ‘school holiday again’ fake scams of posting innocent girls numbers and saying they are independent FL.

Still all in all, you learn and become wiser navigating through all the nonesense to find the gems!

[Topper]

Tribute song to Sam and fellow Cheongsters for the past 20+ years with many wonderful memories...
Yes, Delphi Forum days are damn epic.

VLaScTPAb54?

[Ayers]

If sbf never exited, or I never found out about it, I bet my sex life and experience would be a whole lot more boring.

[Libero]

You can leave The Sammy but The Sammy never leaves you :D

[Xgenre]

C-list celebrities , maybe even some A-Listers here back in day… Oh my word. Great times.

Given that it has been 20 years, I wonder if it is ok to name the A listers and C listers? Many of us may not even remember them. Perhaps it can trigger memories of how hot they are in bed.

I feel even though 20 years had passed, most of us are still operating in the same manner. We are lone rangers looking for the best deal. Good service, good price, fresh arrivals, hidden gems.

However, in these 20 years, the sex industry has moved on from OWO and OKTs. Now more ladies operate on their own. Plus massage parlours have undergone corporatisation. Some ladies own more than 30 MPs. Their backend support (admin/accounts/money laundering) is very sophisticated.

The lone ranger looking for the best deal is up against a well oiled organisation these days.

[WongHinKong]

You can leave The Sammy but The Sammy never leaves you :D

Totally agreed.;)

[sextronics]

Always be here since the days of Delphi, this forum is not only about sex, i glad it has broaden beyond that, we even have a resident doc on board dishing out advice. I am sure there are still many of the old timers lurking round just perhaps like me time has caught up we need to slow down..but that doesn't mean we are gone..

With sbf since the Delphi forum days too.
So true bro. Anyway hope sbf would still be around after I mati cook curry. :D

[Thumbonne]

keep more new updates

[SAWgunner]

If you’re interested in sitting through the whole 45 mins, check this out.

https://youtu.be/EC-D_Ithj6s?si=J_dB0p68NmXuwpVC

TL;DR

The interviewee is this memory guy and the interviewer is a medical student.
The student gets berated for his dopamine-fix way of life, i.e. that something must be “fun” then it is do-able. Basically saying that “willpower” doesn’t exist and thst you should be driven by purpose rather than pleasure.

Then something something self inquiry/cognitive behaviour therapy. Something something “the like/dislike monster” is running your life. Clear your thoughts and desires and achieve no mind. Check it out.