woes of a tirak

[Bangkok Master]

Originally Posted by free

P.S. before anyone (as usual) shoots off their hips and said that this SYT is a fiction of my fantasy, a few bros here has seen her photos/videos and even know who she is in the net. In LOS, age gap is not a bad thing. In fact it is actually an advantage. So we in our late 30s/early 40's can take heart, kekeke.

In fact they SYTs in LOS love mature men becos why? Most mature men tends to take care of them better than the"Wai Roon"(younger generation) due to the fact that better financial status and understanding to the other part. But the bad thing is that most of the Thai mature men are either married or attached so they just out to have a "Kig"(mistress or affair) but for the modern thai SYT being the "Kig or Mia Noi"(2nd wife) is acceptable cos they will definately get more attention than the immediate family.

[free]

Originally Posted by zunbo

Hmmmmm... good qns.....How much diff are this r/a with gals from normal life..... Big big diff....

The ultimate qns.... U will never know what will turn out only after the final whistle.

Zunbo, maybe I get u wrong here. I tend to see a different picture. After the final whistle, the game has not come to and end. Rather it just got started. After that, one better see it as a normal BGR with any TG, or any ger for that matter, If one can even do that, don;t get started, cos it is already doomed for failure.

It is amazing many SG guys consider other things so thoroughly and weigh the odds before starting a venture, a job, an investment. But when it comes to matters of the heart, they wear lampshades over their heads! (I mean the one on the shoulders). One may argue that one is already in love so its too late. But I say one had better consider these before allowing oneself to fall in love. Begin with the end in mind, even for BGRs. Selection (or rather pre-selection) should be done at the beginning, not after.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by Bangkok Master

In fact they SYTs in LOS love mature men becos why? Most mature men tends to take care of them better than the"Wai Roon"(younger generation) due to the fact that better financial status and understanding to the other part. But the bad thing is that most of the Thai mature men are either married or attached so they just out to have a "Kig"(mistress or affair) but for the modern thai SYT being the "Kig or Mia Noi"(2nd wife) is acceptable cos they will definately get more attention than the immediate family.

You see, you said SYTs in LOS "love" mature men due to the fact of better financial status and understanding. Finance is the issue and if the mature men is poor, you think the men stand a chance? As for wai roon, they also love. Love for the company, attention, romance and for money can find the more mature men. best of both worlds. If not why many TGs love pii chais?

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Yes, she is a TG trapped in a fix, But you still can't deny the fact she is a WL.

I don't think running errands is a form of action where she places her trusts in you. Buy Kway Teow/Gao Lao at GM? Buy Buri for her so that she got enough to smoke? Help her TT money back to thailand without the need for her to wake up early? Being her personal driver sending her to and fro from DSC?

Telling white lies(for fear that he may be afraid of the truth)???
Show signs of promises and prospects to WL only gives her an additional option. If both love each other, is there a need to lie or even a white lie. When you tell a lie, you have to use more lies to cover the lie. And in the end, everything appears so fake and beautiful...SC

honestly, i think u misunderstood me. she's in this trade when i got to know her, n i have to resign to fate bcos i made a choice. accept the fact that she's being used by other men n be deemed as public property for now only. (wats 2 yrs of suffering in exchange for a lifelong of bliss) nevertheless, the issue here is that i've gotten to know her, enough to help me rationalize n grow to love her more for who she is deep inside.

errands to most ppl is deemed unnecessary, bt in any given rship the same sort of considerations n thoughts still matters. so i wont debate on this issue. to ans yr qn on the sim card: irrelavent cos she's gonna ORD, so no pt signing 2 yr contract so i'm not bound to maintain it, should i eventually move there to be w her for gd.

inevitable that we bear the sgporean mentality, hence its a steep learning curve to learn their culture, mentality & values. to expect her to fulfill things we perceive is right is actually unhealthy cos she's not SG to begin with. so long as her intent is clear that she's doing the right/wrong things to preserve the tirakship, then i'd say its gd effort on her part. n to certain extent i'm glad that she's given me the reassurance of things ongoing too. n if 1 truly is sincere/serious about the tirakship, its necessary to discuss intentions, goals & objectives in life with the gal (as per all other rship w a gal whom 1 has decided to spend the rest of life together with), henceforth projecting promises/prospects of the future with her in the blueprint.

my intent for starting this thread was spelt clearly in the post, n i truly wish for fellow tiraks to share their woes/treats. therefore not a duplication with 'post yr tirak here'. as u can see, its also not a thread to advocate the faint hearted to think or even attempt the TRCR if their objective is only to have a gd time.

SC, nothing personal. just bcos u've encountered failures b4, dun mean u given up on all gals. n i have to say that ur sharing of unforeseen pitfalls r valued & appreciated. just hope that u can try to be less prejudice so as to paint an accurate picture. afterall, thai WL is just a subset of TG... there's life after ORD too.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

You see, you said SYTs in LOS "love" mature men due to the fact of better financial status and understanding. Finance is the issue and if the mature men is poor, you think the men stand a chance? As for wai roon, they also love. Love for the company, attention, romance and for money can find the more mature men. best of both worlds. If not why many TGs love pii chais?

SC

time waits for no man, nor woman. regardless if the SYT can dip herself in SK2 miracle lotion for eternity, she will still age & mature (not unless she got stunted growth lol), n will come a day of reckoning...where she'd learn to see the bigger picture n see light at the end of the tunnel.

cheap thrill of basking in attention from kig, peurn sa-neet & pichai r nothing bt temporary mirage. she will 1 day need a man with whom she can love & spend the rest of her life with, with whom she'd bear kids, help to raise & discipline them etc.

though we're all facinated by the present thrills, lets nt get too comfortable but start looking out for wat comes day after tomorrow & the days that follows after that. its quite unfortunate that most of us sgporeans have tendency to gloat about their comforts of seeing the world when in fact trapped in a poisoned well.

stop kidding ourselves, a man wants a better future likewise a woman, n no less a WL

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

You see, you said SYTs in LOS "love" mature men due to the fact of better financial status and understanding. Finance is the issue and if the mature men is poor, you think the men stand a chance? As for wai roon, they also love. Love for the company, attention, romance and for money can find the more mature men. best of both worlds. If not why many TGs love pii chais?

SC

SC, it is such a pity u tend to always see things from a narrower perspective. Of course money (or rather the lack of it) is an issue; it would be worse for an typical SG gal I believe, unless u dun have that SG-dating experience before. That you yourself know better. Today the typical SG gal has even gone one step further - on top of the 5C's they now want a lot of yr time too. Now that is being unrealistic!

With your definition of "Pii Chai", I believe your quantum of "so many" probably refers to a particular grp of TGs and the reality is that they are actually a small percentage of the entire Thai populace. But perhaps they are the ones you spend much of your time with. I find myself spending less and less time with my Nong Saos in this group, simply because there are other Nongs from other groups whom I am meeting these days. You might want to consider enlarging your thai world, as I am doing today. It is worth the while.

By the way I had not at anytime said "SYTs in LOS love mature men" - those are your own words. Many tend to think that age diference "mai geow" (irrelevant) as they go more for character. Fact is I had observed that amongst the normal TGs many prefer older men, because the younger ones tend to butterfly (and cheonging IS butterflying), be irresponsible and not be family oriented. The family-orientation of these TGs is incompatible with these Wai Run's (teenagers) or a cheongster for that matter in their choice of a life partner. Of course older men tend to have the advantage of being
financially more stable, but he does not necessarily have to be rich. I realised most TGs will choose an financially stable enough guy with good character over a rich playboy anytime. As 1 TG told me, "Today I can be a rich man's wife, tomorrow I may be a poor single mum struggling to meet ends meet, if he finds a new and more exciting woman and he dumps me." That is what I call being realistic. They know their own thai men better.

For many thai women, what they dream of is a responsible man who loves them single-heartedly and when they find one (local or foreigner) the last thing they want is to flirt around and lose their good man. Unless maybe they belong to the equivalent of the 101% thai men u talk about. Given that, they are rare, relative to the whole population.

Again I am just pointing out the differences and compatiblities/ incompatiblities, not trying to say who is right or wrong, cos that is not the issue at hand here.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

errands to most ppl is deemed unnecessary, bt in any given rship the same sort of considerations n thoughts still matters. so i wont debate on this issue. to ans yr qn on the sim card: irrelavent cos she's gonna ORD, so no pt signing 2 yr contract so i'm not bound to maintain it, should i eventually move there to be w her for gd.

SC, nothing personal. just bcos u've encountered failures b4, dun mean u given up on all gals. n i have to say that ur sharing of unforeseen pitfalls r valued & appreciated. just hope that u can try to be less prejudice so as to paint an accurate picture. afterall, thai WL is just a subset of TG... there's life after ORD too.

U don't need to sign a 2 year plan or contract to get a sim card for her. U can just enter any telco to get a sim card anytime with no contractual worries.

Yes, I encountered failures, and only after the 1st, I start to "expect" failures subsequently. Read my words carefully.
Expect failures? I have been testing and testing them and always they failed my tests. I have my own set of lie detectors to test whether they are lying. And they always fail.

You can be one of those to say I am prejudiced, you can say i am against them, but the truth is when i show these people how to put these girls through the lie detector, these people do not have the courage to do that. Why? Because the truth hurts. They are afraid their porcelain heart will break when they see the truth and so they chose to hide and shun away from the real facts of life.

I am a player. To me, if I can use money to book a girl and fuck, I can use money to test them.

Many people say the ones who open sim card for the TGs are stupid. But opening a sim card acts as a tracking device for you. What is a couple of hundreds when we cheong with that amount of money?

With a sim card, you can apply for itemized billing. All the calls she made are tracked and shown. And you can get to know who she calls too. kekeke

Want more powerful tricks? I can even advise you on satelite tracking in singapore when she goes out where you also know.

Want to track in thailand? More tricks on hand to even get a detailed report of what she do, where she go, who she mixed around, what time she go home etc.

The thais also say decent thais cannot be trusted easily, and you expect me a singaporean not to believe what these thais say?

SC

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Actually if there is no difference to you between TGs and WLs, so why bother about the stress of knowing yiur tirak is being bonked by many other men?

Subsconsciously, one does bother after all. Right? What matters is not the past, or the present but the future???

SC

SC, treating them as individuals and respecting them as such versus having one as my tirak are entirely 2 things altogether.

That I cannot accept a WL/FL as my tirak while they are still active at it is not their fault; rather it is a weakness of mine so I stay away and dun have to complain every day. I do admire those guys who can accept.

Hope u can see the difference, ya?

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

SC, it is such a pity u tend to always see things from a narrower perspective. Of course money (or rather the lack of it) is an issue; it would be worse for an typical SG gal I believe, unless u dun have that SG-dating experience before. That you yourself know better. Today the typical SG gal has even gone one step further - on top of the 5C's they now want a lot of yr time too. Now that is being unrealistic!

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By the way I had not at anytime said "SYTs in LOS love mature men" - those are your own words. Many tend to think that age diference "mai geow" (irrelevant) as they go more for character. Fact is I had observed that amongst the normal TGs many prefer older men, because the younger ones tend to butterfly (and cheonging IS butterflying), be irresponsible and not be family oriented. The family-orientation of these TGs is incompatible with these Wai Run's (teenagers) or a cheongster for that matter in their choice of a life partner. Of course older men tend to have the advantage of being
financially more stable, but he does not necessarily have to be rich. I realised most TGs will choose an financially stable enough guy with good character over a rich playboy anytime. As 1 TG told me, "Today I can be a rich man's wife, tomorrow I may be a poor single mum struggling to meet ends meet, if he finds a new and more exciting woman and he dumps me." That is what I call being realistic. They know their own thai men better.

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You really write long tales again, sometimes or most of the time I only take some parts and read them

Read carefully. I didn't say you say SYTs in LOS love mature men. I was replying to bangkok master's post and he was the one who said that and I just reply to him. Those ain't my words either.

And paiseh, today we are in a sex forum talking on the issue of being in a relationship with a Thai Working Lady. The ladies you experienced with or experiencing are decent TGs which you say so, so the stories you apply don't apply here. Decent TGs don't tell white lies, black lies or whatever fuck lies to con men. Don't bring Film, Rain, Dancer or whoever in because they are good girls like what you say. There are other love blog sites in international relationships which you can probably share there too. For that if you keep trying to bring your tiraks in here, people might misunderstood that your tiraks are WLs or once-WLs.

SC

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Originally Posted by siamcutey

Telling white lies(for fear that he may be afraid of the truth)???
Show signs of promises and prospects to WL only gives her an additional option. If both love each other, is there a need to lie or even a white lie. When you tell a lie, you have to use more lies to cover the lie. And in the end, everything appears so fake and beautiful...SC

SC, I am amazed, for I tot you are so familiar with the Thais! Male or female, Normal TGs or WLs - white lies is part of their lives!

It just happened to my good bro - his Teacher gf recently told him a white lie to prevent him from worrying about her. Is that cheating him or is that love or at least being concerned? Or are we being so typical SGrean - no room to interprete gray areas? And this Teacher is the cream of the crop. If I am not attached, I would have wooed her myself (haha, add stress to my bor liao)

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

SC, treating them as individuals and respecting them as such versus having one as my tirak are entirely 2 things altogether.

That I cannot accept a WL/FL as my tirak while they are still active at it is not their fault; rather it is a weakness of mine so I stay away and dun have to complain every day. I do admire those guys who can accept.

Hope u can see the difference, ya?

I am saying subconsciously you do mind, as you admitted its a weakness of yours.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

SC, I am amazed, for I tot you are so familiar with the Thais! Male or female, Normal TGs or WLs - white lies is part of their lives!

It just happened to my good bro - his Teacher gf recently told him a white lie to prevent him from worrying about her. Is that cheating him or is that love or at least being concerned? Or are we being so typical SGrean - no room to interprete gray areas? And this Teacher is the cream of the crop. If I am not attached, I would have wooed her myself (haha, add stress to my bor liao)

I never said I am very familiar, i am just sharing my experiences. Its only others interpret that I am trying to "show off", trying to be spoiler, trying to clock up postings, saying I am showing off my "seniority" in SB by looking at the date I joined. I didn't ever say all these just that people tend to misinterpret. Anyway, i don't live for others, and i am happy to say, I have managed to "save" a couple of people from falling into a big pit which they have dug for themselves. Of course I hope to see these people whom I have helped before in pulling others out from it too. Hope you don't say that I caused many of these people from not living happily everafter with the ones they loved.

Telling a white lie? Everyone does that. Till when you start to question the part on the white lie, you realise that more lies have to be told just to cover a white lie. It then seems as though that this lie isn't so white after all.

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

...Many people say the ones who open sim card for the TGs are stupid. But opening a sim card acts as a tracking device for you. What is a couple of hundreds when we cheong with that amount of money?

With a sim card, you can apply for itemized billing. All the calls she made are tracked and shown. And you can get to know who she calls too. kekeke
...SC

SC, u should know better. if 1 chooses a WL for a tirak, then he must come to terms that she's gotta do wat she gotta do to survive in this trade. call or dun call him is not much of an issue. she can be calling the ROBERT alot more often cos can get gd tips.

the ratio of men to her is so many to 1, n the tirak being only 1 of the many in the calling list. any idiot will know that she'd be calling other men more often than the tirak alone. for her to call the tirak less dun mean she love him any lesser, i'd say its her way of loving him in her own way. many long for the gal to refund or reimburse $ to him for his visits, whilst others work out consensus for 50-50 subsidy etc. its all in their own unique way, n subjected to the goals the gal wanna achieve to begin with.

if the tirak wanna prove his gal's infidelity, then its all wrong to begin with cos her jobscope already is the defination of infidelity. the only way i see the applicability of this test is unless she's in a free circumstance where she dun need to entertain men, n she make her tirak the priority over all the rest of peurn saneet/kig/piichai.

then again, just cos u're both dating, doesnt restrict u from knowing other gals as acquaintacnes/ norng saos. so.. if wanna have WL for tirak.. then those tests r already irrelevant b4 it should be applied. in fact, could only be further disappointed in the findings should 1 discover that she's also calling someone that he knows-close fren, enemy, brother, relative etc

if WL can numb herself to all the issues in the job, the tirak must have heart bigger to accomodate those pin pricks.

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Originally Posted by siamcutey

Yes, I encountered failures, and only after the 1st, I start to "expect" failures subsequently. Read my words carefully.
Expect failures? I have been testing and testing them and always they failed my tests. I have my own set of lie detectors to test whether they are lying. And they always fail.

You can be one of those to say I am prejudiced, you can say i am against them, but the truth is when i show these people how to put these girls through the lie detector, these people do not have the courage to do that. Why? Because the truth hurts. They are afraid their porcelain heart will break when they see the truth and so they chose to hide and shun away from the real facts of life.

I am a player. To me, if I can use money to book a girl and fuck, I can use money to test them.

Many people say the ones who open sim card for the TGs are stupid. But opening a sim card acts as a tracking device for you. What is a couple of hundreds when we cheong with that amount of money?

With a sim card, you can apply for itemized billing. All the calls she made are tracked and shown. And you can get to know who she calls too. kekeke

Want more powerful tricks? I can even advise you on satelite tracking in singapore when she goes out where you also know.

Want to track in thailand? More tricks on hand to even get a detailed report of what she do, where she go, who she mixed around, what time she go home etc.

The thais also say decent thais cannot be trusted easily, and you expect me a singaporean not to believe what these thais say?

SC

SC, I dun doubt what u are saying, for I know they also true. I am saying it is a pity u seem to be restricting yourself to the gals you have to "pay" for as in

I am a player. To me, if I can use money to book a girl and fuck, I can use money to test them.

There really exist a larger world out there (if it has to be a TG at all, like for me, kekeke). Do give yrself that chance.

Bro TV "attacked" me at one point, questioning me if my tirak has a chance to test me even as I tested her. Did you pass your tirak's test yourself? Were you her Reason to change for the better?

Or did u set her up for failure, "by expecting them" instead of preventing them? You'd rather let her commit mistakes (cos she dun know better) than to help her prevent them in ways she never thought of on her own or did it out of habit? That is the Traffic police system here isn't it? Our taffiic cops like hide and catch offenders when they could have prevented the offence in the 1st place. Nowadays when I "catch" them doing that, I give the a piece of my mind.

I worked hard to help my tirak stay out of the pond she was in. But unlike most, I waited for her to struggle and crawl out 1st. Falling back in would have been easy w/o help from her "Reason to change for the better". Today she flies and soars in the sky, never to fall back into the pond again.

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Originally Posted by siamcutey

Decent TGs don't tell white lies, black lies or whatever fuck lies to con men. Don't bring Film, Rain, Dancer or whoever in because they are good girls like what you say.
SC

Sorry SC, Decent TGs also tell lies, whatever color they may be. What is the difference between good and bad gals is probably the motivation behind the lies.

To me a FL doing it full time (that's all she does for her living) is a WL as good as any WL.

By the way u say things, u seem to judge whether the gal is good or bad by the "job" she does. For me, good or bad depends on her heart

Incidentally, all the 3 names u mentioned had been FLs at one point or other in their lives (the others have not) for good reasons I can accept - mainly cos of famly and/or education needs. U can say all will quote the same. Perhaps but I have been there to see things for myself and I am satisfied that they are the truth. Film is the one I loved most and we are now working towards marriage (with that SYT on the net or not) and also had the most "seasoned" past. I had the hardest time choosing her but she also demonstrated the most love and sacrifice for me, as well as worked the haardest to change for the better. That is love to me, not the KCs that I sometimes wish from her, but seldom get, ironically cos we are tiraks.

Much of the tactics, and pains of the "working" TG, I learnt from her. And yes, I asked her to be my tirak only after she had gotten out of the pond on her own. Before that, we were just pals for 1+ year and I never "touched" her even once then. That when she knew I was faithful to Dancer and then to Rain.