woes of a tirak

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

...that means part of her integrity probably died long time ago. We get "fucked feelings" but it is still different then work of a whore..

the principles of it is the same though no physical contact. if u dunno how to numb ur pride n hide ur feelings, i'd say u'd be swtching jobs more frequently than u change ur underwear.

Originally Posted by singrakthai

...No offense.. i think u're spending too much time with WL/FL.. which make u over sympathic towards them. Have u ever spend anytime with a NORMAL TG? Sorry hor, sisters of WL/FL don't count... if not, why do u compare WL/FL with normal TG? I raised my opinion only because u compared NORMAL people with a WL/FL... if u have a daughter, and someone says she's no different than a whore... u smile and agree?

u say i stand on their side cos u're standing on the other end of the scale urself. if u can see it in more neutral light.. then i think u can better understand y have to stand on the other end. we can be talking all day n night for eterntiy if we cant reach mutual concensus to shake hands at the pivot pt.

in singaporean context where we're born w some spoon in the mouth regardless gold, silver, bronze, rusted steel etc.. we're still better off n never truly experienced the need to resort to this trade. imagine urself having to perform scavenger hunt on daily basis 3 times a day to bring food on the table for the family. n when u're a failure n incapable to provide a reasonable living for ur family... then perhaps ur perspectives might change.

n i beg to differ on the issue of permitting my daughter to enter this trade. cos i wont start a family till i have the means to provide them a bright future.

[free]

Originally Posted by naemlo

Talk abt happy ending, wat abt u??

Haha, he is onto something goodz - the cream of the crop, if u ask me

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

a con man can talk till the throat burst n cough blood, if the other party refuse to be con.. there's not a chance for the con man to succeed. it takes 2 hands to clap, so its all a 50-50 issue. just cos the WL initiate dun mean the man should accept.

The way you say like dat very funny leh. The victim refuse to be con. Conman got the word con written on forehead meh?

One big difference. If you know this man is going to con money, you still give him money? But I do know is that if a WL want to con money out of the man, the man might still willingly pass the money to her. In the hope of changing her.

SC

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

the principles of it is the same though no physical contact. if u dunno how to numb ur pride n hide ur feelings, i'd say u'd be swtching jobs more frequently than u change ur underwear..

I think i abit boey tahan u already... different means different lah. Getting "fucked" by boss and getting fucked is different lah! What principles same... boey tahan.... then we all might as well quit our jobs and become a real whore lah...

in singaporean context where we're born w some spoon in the mouth regardless gold, silver, bronze, rusted steel etc.. we're still better off n never truly experienced the need to resort to this trade. imagine urself having to perform scavenger hunt on daily basis 3 times a day to bring food on the table for the family. n when u're a failure n incapable to provide a reasonable living for ur family... then perhaps ur perspectives might change.
n i beg to differ on the issue of permitting my daughter to enter this trade. cos i wont start a family till i have the means to provide them a bright future.

what makes u think ALL WL/FL choose this trade because of their family SUPER poor and must scavenger hunt??? This shows u don't really know the situation here in Thailand lah... nowadays, many choose this line just because it is easy money and it makes more than AVERAGE jobs. Or simply because they want change handphone, or carry branded handbag! Just for ur info, average fresh grad here makes 12,000baht/mth.. yes, to us s'porean this is like peanuts! But this is NORMAL to them leh... so are u going to sympathize them??? All of thai???? Factory ladies make only 6,000baht/mth and there're still millions of them working as one.. why? Why u don't go symphatize them? Why don't these factory workers go choose to become WL/FL??? Because they have integrity!!! Thats why I say its unfair of u to compare normal TG with WL/FL lah...

aiyo.. and last part, i didn't say u "permitting ur daughter" to become a whore.. i'm saying.. say if u have a daughter.. imagine ok? Judging by ur essays, i think u got very good imagination... if ur daughter is working as a NORMAL flight attendant... and someone say, "ur daughter is no different than a whore!"... how u feel?

I think we abit wrong frequency.. I say again... i raised my opinion only because u compared NORMAL people with WL/FL....

cheers

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

The way you say like dat very funny leh. The victim refuse to be con. Conman got the word con written on forehead meh?

One big difference. If you know this man is going to con money, you still give him money? But I do know is that if a WL want to con money out of the man, the man might still willingly pass the money to her. In the hope of changing her.

SC

ya lah.. he likes to compare apple with orange leh... then make people confuse... no offense lah... if a old woman kanna conned by conman, we should all symphatize the old woman.. whereas if a man kanna conned by WL, thats different story.. i think he kinda deserved it.. in a way... because most of the time this man like what u say, "willingly pass the money to her in the hope of changing her."


damn.. i'm wasting too much time in this forum!

Originally Posted by singrakthai

damn.. i'm wasting too much time in this forum!

after all his cock and bull , this is what he got to say on pg53:

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

dun have a fool proof plan as yet.. bt it can all be sorted out.. so long as she's willing to include me in the blueprints for her future

huh??

[free]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Sorry, i look down and despise WL of this category

Category chao cheeby WL
This category that use the emotional aspect to con not only con money but also the heart of the man. Though the man is stupid, but doesn't mean the WL is cleared of her actions.

A con man can con an old woman. Yes, the old woman might be naive to be conned. But the con man still has to be apprehended and sentenced for his crimes.

SC

SC, if you are refering specifically to this sub-category of WL (aka same as Joy of Private Dancer) in all your posts and not ALL WLs in general, kindly make it clear. Then nobody gets misled or even quarrel with you. Truly this sub-group is to be despised.

Originally Posted by singrakthai

......Why don't these factory workers go choose to become WL/FL??? Because they have integrity!!! Thats why I say its unfair of u to compare normal TG with WL/FL lah...

....I think we abit wrong frequency.. I say again... i raised my opinion only because u compared NORMAL people with WL/FL....

cheers

I agree with you.

I have a TG friend. A graduate who earns 15000B a month. She comes from a well to do family. She wants to come to singapore to visit me but said that she dont have enough money to buy air ticket.

Should I ask her to do FL for a few days to get the money to pay for her holiday?

[singrakthai]

Originally Posted by sex_maniac2

I have a TG friend. A graduate who earns 15000B a month. She comes from a well to do family. She wants to come to singapore to visit me but said that she dont have enough money to buy air ticket.

Should I ask her to do FL for a few days to get the money to pay for her holiday?

No lah, u give me her contact, then I ask her out then i see how... maybe i pack her into my lauggage when i go back s'pore lor.. hahaha
wat say u? steady bo? haha

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

SC, if you are refering specifically to this sub-category of WL (aka same as Joy of Private Dancer) in all your posts and not ALL WLs in general, kindly make it clear. Then nobody gets misled or even quarrel with you. Truly this sub-group is to be despised.

All along I only despise this group of WLs. I confirmed I never say ALL WLs before too.

And got people quarrel with me meh? Or you guys thinking which group I am talking about

SC

[free]

Originally Posted by singrakthai

Just for ur info, average fresh grad here makes 12,000baht/mth.. yes, to us s'porean this is like peanuts! But this is NORMAL to them leh... so are u going to sympathize them??? All of thai???? Factory ladies make only 6,000baht/mth and there're still millions of them working as one.. why? Why u don't go symphatize them? Why don't these factory workers go choose to become WL/FL??? Because they have integrity!!! Thats why I say its unfair of u to compare normal TG with WL/FL lah...

I am not going to say anything about WLs/FLS normal TGs or whatever. I just want to give a realistic perspective of income levels for fresh grads, esp those from the more "rural" Unis in the provinces and such.

Bro Singrakthai, where in the world did u get this 12,000baht from? Are we talking about the same Thailand here? Your Average fresh grad =- they are grads of which top Uni's in LOS?

I dun know about you but the Uni grads I am personally in contact with then and till this day are struggling to look for a job - or at least a better one that pays a decent salary, not take advantrage of their plight.

My good friend, a 31 yr old graduate and working for years make 15,000฿ as a secretary, and she still as to sell insurance part-time to support her family. And my own tirak's 27 yr old sister is a planning executive in Ayuthaya and she makes 12,500฿ in her new company, whereas the old company pays only 10k฿. My ex-gal and her friends (all 22 and Uni grads from a university in Chiangrai) makes 4,000 to 6,000฿ working in areas far from their home, like in Lampun, where there isn't even a tourist hotel. And many are still jobless or are looking for better jobs than the Factory operators job they are forced to work on a temp basis or they will have nothing to eat.

Not to mention the many vocational college grads I know of who are still desparately looking for jobs. One just went all the way to BKK from CR and finally found a job in a departmental store for 4,000฿.

(I also know of a 28-yr old graduate teacher who has a hard time teaching in the mountains, and she makes only 6k a month, and she has some mouths to feed).

Almost of these gals above had families who had some income, maybe not much but still enough to send them to school all the way to Uni. Some of these poor gals had to resort to other measures to find money for their Uni and for them, it had left a scar in their lives forever.

What about genuinely poor village gal who feels the burden as the eldest daughter in the family, had little or no education and yet faces the stress of seeing her siblings suffer as well, not able to go to school, parents working hard and still not enough to make ends meet? As a responsible young woman, can u understand the burden on her young shoulders? It is not a wild guess on my part, I have seen a few cases for myself and also felt the strain myself.

So all I ask of all her is: Let's get our numbers right, and face the WHOLE truth, not the partial truth as we want to see it (whichever side one choses to be on). If needed, let's do some homework and find out more. Cos the details we provide are important. maybe not to us, but to those who relied on them to make decisions, decisions that may well affect their future.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

nevertheless, cross-referencing of the woman/female gender vs the KC traps of the WL/FL etc.. helps to dispell the common misconception of them in this flesh trade. its afterall still an occupation n nothing's making them change who they r.. so with ample time spent n $ invested in 1... he should know by now the predicaments that put them here, n for fate to unite the 2 lost souls.

Actually, the discussion has spanned across very different channels. Being a tirak of a WL and being a tirak of a TG are two different worlds. You cannot compare an orange to an apple although both are fruits just as WLs may be TG.

So I find it very difficult to contribute effectively as i feel the discussion has actually lost a bit of it's original theme.

But not to worry too much, as I read along and if at any time, I feel that my 2 baht's worth may be of some value to some, I'll put it in.

cheers
thaivisitor

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by free

What about genuinely poor village gal who feels the burden as the eldest daughter in the family, had little or no education and yet faces the stress of seeing her siblings suffer as well, not able to go to school, parents working hard and still not enough to make ends meet? As a responsible young woman, can u understand the burden on her young shoulders? It is not a wild guess on my part, I have seen a few cases for myself and also felt the strain myself.
So all I ask of all her is: Let's get our numbers right, and face the WHOLE truth, not the partial truth as we want to see it (whichever side one choses to be on).

Please can someone step forward and oppose this case, I have heard stories about such as cases and the most recent one being on a M'sia girl. Who am I to judge them if they had made the right move? Sacrificing herself but for the better of 3 or more family members, can we call them noble or plain stupidity.

Since they had enter this trade, then I guess it is normal to go all out to make the most money within the shortest time, whatever way they choose, we can only decide to accept to stay away from. If you walk away, there will be a next one in the queue and mind you, the next one had already his fair share of warnings and stories abot WLs/FLs but yet he eagarly join the queue with pockets full of cash and heart full of love and expectation. So what can we say, he knew fire burns but yet play with it.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

The truth is they have number tags. The other truth is they have OKTs. This is a fact and truth we cannot deny. Yes, they may look chum, but that is the price they have to pay for the income they getting. Look at those 3 rd world countries, I think they desrve our sympathies more.

Not trying to sound crude but do these tiraks show the same amount of sympathy to the kids in 3rd world disaster areas?

And 1 last thing, it ain't shameful to be a sad fuck. Because it takes a sad fuck to know the rest of the sad fucks. What's shameful?

Shameful thing is the sad fuck upon knowing the truth still do not want to climb out of the pit which he has dug for himself and continuing to dig deeper.

SC

fact is, the gals in this line already r providing for their 3rd world countryside family liao. as many already said, even u urself implied that none in the right frame of mind would settle for this kinda job. if its nt for circumstances that 1 in the family gotta sacrifice... <touchwood> the rest of the siblings might eventually have to join in this line anyway.

i never shared w u, bt i know of a string of siblings/cousins working in GL, n yes its truly sad.. cos the father/uncles incapable of bringing home the bacon, younger siblings/cousins no $ to go skool, even uniform also got problem to afford. basically, the 2 (narak/suay mak) cousins decided to go into this line in order to help the family sustain.

c'mon la, if a gal really wants $ n extravagance.. she can easily just marry herself to a filthy rich n dying man(usually angmo farangs), n rip him off, fuck him hard till he die cock stand. no need for her to endure the physical, mental, emotional torment of having to smile n serve some ugly sad fucks around in GL.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

The way you say like dat very funny leh. The victim refuse to be con. Conman got the word con written on forehead meh?

One big difference. If you know this man is going to con money, you still give him money? But I do know is that if a WL want to con money out of the man, the man might still willingly pass the money to her. In the hope of changing her.

SC

wakao.. since u put it this way. then i think u're the easiest target who's always been conned. too easy to trust ppl, so when get conned n realise too late.. wanna get back more than wat u were cheated of. if snicerely wanna help a person, n if in the means to. lend without interest lah. besides, giving $ is nt the solution.

" to give a person a fish.. only feed the person for a day, u teach a person to fish.. u feed the person for a lifetime".

so my fren.. i believe u really need to sit down n re-think ur defination of "help". cos help dun necessarily mean u give in material sense. help also need to render within ur own means too.