woes of a tirak

[thaivisitor]

I had a discussion with bro Free in GM the other night when I was in SG.

Basically I really don't understand this "tirak" issues. I can understand if a guy loves a WL and vice versa, or even an ex WL. But I would think that under normal circumstances, if a guy treats a WL as his tirak, should he have made IMMEDIATE efforts to have his tirak stop working?

I'm trying to understand what kind of guy can allow the girl he loves to be continued being fuck by 10 different men everyday? What kind of guy can stand the girl he loves sleeping with a different man nearly every night? We already know what the WL does for their customers... bath them, BJ them in the bath, cathbath, BBBJ, some even AR or AL, even allow anal, etc, etc,....

I tried imagining myself and really can't find any reasons or excuses to allow the girl to continue to work there.

For those guys who can stand that, and proudly let everyone knows that he has a tirak, do you "cheer", "admire" give him moral support? Or do you condemn a guy who allows his GF to work as an WL?

I really don't know.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

I tried imagining myself and really can't find any reasons or excuses to allow the girl to continue to work there.

For those guys who can stand that, and proudly let everyone knows that he has a tirak, do you "cheer", "admire" give him moral support? Or do you condemn a guy who allows his GF to work as an WL?

I really don't know.

IMHO, It's not possible to buy out the girl right away, neither is it logical to buy her out. Either the hse boss tock your chai tao or the girl tock your chai tao.

And there are actually many social, financial, cultural issues that really need to be sorted out before thinking of asking the WL to stop working

SC

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

IMHO, It's not possible to buy out the girl right away, neither is it logical to buy her out. Either the hse boss tock your chai tao or the girl tock your chai tao.

And there are actually many social, financial, cultural issues that really need to be sorted out before thinking of asking the WL to stop working

SC

I understand.

But IMHE, there is no necessity whatsoever to "buy" out a cat40 WL so there's no payment to the hse boss or having the hse boss tock your chai tao.

It is VERY possible for a WL to stop working immediately.

As for the girl tock your chai tao, well, we're talking about the guy's tirak mah... the one he loves.

Do list the social, financial, cutural issues with regards to asking your tirak to stop working.

The above is IMHE, which means "in my humble experience" as a previous owner of 3 cat40 houses.

[DNAT]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

It is VERY possible for a WL to stop working immediately.

Maybe the cat 40 WL 1 2 make enuff $ first .. talk love also must eat bread 1 mah - lidat you also duno meh? [oh no, me 1 liner again ]

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Basically I really don't understand this "tirak" issues. I can understand if a guy loves a WL and vice versa, or even an ex WL. But I would think that under normal circumstances, if a guy treats a WL as his tirak, should he have made IMMEDIATE efforts to have his tirak stop working?.

I think most guys who are absolutely sure of their tiraks will try do that, IF they have the means. For those who dun, it is really painful. My heart goes out to them, especially in the genuine cases that I have come across. I see pain on both sides, both for the WL who can't wait to get out as soon as possible (whatever attractive possiblities of extension there might be) and the guy who is upset at himself for not having the financial means to help out.

I'm trying to understand what kind of guy can allow the girl he loves to be continued being fuck by 10 different men everyday? What kind of guy can stand the girl he loves sleeping with a different man nearly every night? ,...

No normal man who genuinely loves his gal enjoys her doing that. The first thing he would do if he can, is to let her stop and if she does not take up that offer (assumming he can and wants to help), I also doubt her love for him.
And SC is right, even if she can cut short her contractual term and go home, it takes time to make arrangements, for the boss to find replacements,etc. In one case I know, we were even considering what legal action we could take if the boss wanted to play punk and delay things, even if the gal is willing to lose a few thousand dollars, but it would have turned ugly,. Fortunately her request for early discharge was granted and she was allowed to leave even earlier than hoped for.

And yes, unlike what I hear about what some WLs may tell their "guy" (who thought he is THE ONE), that the guy cannot send her to the airport cos of AV and other stories, he went back with her on the same plane. So brothers who has all sorts of excuses from your "tirak" may do well to remember this point.

As far as I know the gal will surrender her passport to AV (or related department) the day before her departure. Instead of her passport she has something like an exit pass, where she will exchange for her passport at the customs on her way out of SG. The day before departure, she is a "free" woman. She can go anywhere with the guy, even late into the night. Night Safari is a place she probably has never been to. Try it - nice & romantic. How I know? I went thru it myself a couple of years ago, and I was at the airport, and could also witness her collecting her passport at the counter next to the immigration counters.

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

I had a discussion with bro Free in GM the other night when I was in SG.

Yeahm, good meeting as we talked about many diferent things. Though we didn;t really touch on the above topics. But Bro TV, I have nothing against bros who have WLs as their tiraks, only I myself dun have it in me to go thru the pain of her having to sleep with other men. My past long gone had taught me I can't bear the paim/

[RocketScience]

TV, interesting that we see the same light in terms of stopping an WL/FL from working if we feel that we are in love.

I can understand if there are cases of financial issues but for the most part it is a non-issue as the ger works because she needs the money for (a) short term issues which could be due to debts OR (b) she needs lots of money for long term issues for debts, savings etc. (c) and there are those that really want a boyfriend (about 1 in 50).

I think sometimes the tirak problems is because that we like to be Robin Hoods/Heroes. IT will never happen other than in a case of 1 in 300!

Like I said before, if you want a LOS Lady, go to thailand and find one who doesn't work in this line or who has never worked in this line. And there are many, even in Golden Mile.

If you want t be hero then you must be prepared for the pain that comes with being a hero. This is a fact!

I met so many thaigers and could have had many but I only chose one and even that couldn't make it. WL/FL, I suggest that you have fun and take care. If it will happen, you will know because it will not be painful. If it is painful, then you know it is best to get out soon.

Because if it is painful, then it will most likely get more painful later on. If you really love someone, then make sure she is worth it. She doesn't have to look beautiful or allow you to do it raw, or CIM. If you really love someone, she must be that someone that really loves you and is she really loves you, she will not want to hurt you, even a little bit. Not even with a simple or a single lie.

And, that my bros, is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Once she lies, you better get out and go buy a Big Sweep ticket because your chances are better at winning the Big Sweep than it is at she falling in love with you forever!

[Hasa Sas]

Bro rocketscience,

good advice

How can someone accept their tirak(WL/FL) who is pack with full shit of lies yet HE can still take it as per normal because it is part of their culture.
Who are we trying to fool.....sad case.

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

TV, interesting that we see the same light in terms of stopping an WL/FL from working if we feel that we are in love.
I think sometimes the tirak problems is because that we like to be Robin Hoods/Heroes. IT will never happen other than in a case of 1 in 300!
Like I said before, if you want a LOS Lady, go to thailand and find one who doesn't work in this line or who has never worked in this line. And there are many, even in Golden Mile.
If you want t be hero then you must be prepared for the pain that comes with being a hero. This is a fact!

Hate to admit it but this is the fact. If really want a Thai Girl, why not go find a decent one, from the web, from Thailand itself. Why go continue to dwell in the same place where afterall the odds are against you?

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by Hasa Sas

Bro rocketscience,

good advice

How can someone accept their tirak(WL/FL) who is pack with full shit of lies yet HE can still take it as per normal because it is part of their culture.
Who are we trying to fool.....sad case.

Answer is simple.
The someone is trying to fool himself.

SC

[suteerak1099]

alas~!! finally some real discussions!!

about the issue of guy condoning n ability to accept the occupation of the gal, indeed is not an easy thing. not trying to boast my endurance capacity, bt to be frank n honest... i've had my fair share of weeping on countless occassions. as for the urgency to redeem the gal, there's some subjective issues too... no legal contract to enforce that the gal completes her 2yrs tour of duty, contracted deposit amount of $ can either be redeemed upon completion of contract or be forfeited if early ORD (subject to different hse rules), redemption price to bail gal out to be named by boss - could be impossible amount to afford for the genuine hearts, no redemption fee applicable - just forfeit deposit fee etc... all subject to the different bosses too.

even if the willing can redeem/bail her, after the immense amount of $ paid out, wats the gal & family gonna feed on? if its not for the dire consequence that drove them into the line, wouldnt be necesary for them to spread the legs. many tiraks here r bound by permutations of woes n concerns that they financially wouldnt be able to make happen according to their will.

priority for gals to be here is for the sake of "yusof ishaak", whether she meets/finds that man willing to see beyond her profession n appreciate her for who she is, is something rare... so she'd also be wary of the proceedings in the tirakship. takes time n effort on both ends to build n develope that trust, n then perhaps there's a tiny glimpse of hope for a next phase after she's ORDed.

then of cos comes that day of reckoning where she's got her final day in SG, prior to depature, according to many...she's likely to be free as a bird for a day, sunjected to the bosses descresion to confine or not to confine her. cos without her passport (given that receipt to collect passport from AV en-route to boarding gate)... the receipt is considered invalid identification if there should be (touch wood) medical emergency when outside of the hse too. i could be wrong... bt i've the tendency of thinking & worrying about things in adverse situations/ circumstances.

prepare for the worse.. hope for the best

[red-perrier]

Originally Posted by +++++++for

Does red-perrier sound like suteerak1099??

hahaha~!! how farny this seems. just bcos i suddenly wrote abit more than my usual, suddenly kena mistaken/speculated to be bro suteerak1099. how farny... eh, bt then again, i consider it an honor if i'm him lah. i dont think any cheongster here is capable of doing wat he's done for his gal.

me n him go back a long way back in the days of guillemard camp. back gate is GL liao haha. nights off simply = shaggathon in GL. even CSM sometimes will organize sexcurssion during nights-off. bt sad to say i felt i lost 1 cheonging buddy liao, bt happy for him in some ways lah.. in some ways.. i think my tirakship pales when compared to his...

[red-perrier]

Originally Posted by +++++++for

hey, thanks for the joke.

hahaha.... :|

li-dat very farny meh? dunno y its so farny to u also? unless of cos u already attained nirvana as ultimate tirak in the GL scene. hmmm, if thats the case, must burn some incense offer u liao. instead of hellbank note, maybe must burn rolls of toilet paper+cartons of sanitary pads/tampons, for u to clean up each time u cum too soon, dry yr tears when u laugh too hard, dry ur nose bleeding from seeing puying suai. considering u got poor threshold for humor, let alone other forms of thrills.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Do list the social, financial, cutural issues with regards to asking your tirak to stop working.

Financial Issue
First of all, money has to be thought of. No money, don't talk about their family in thailand, but they themselves, also need money to survive. How much is needed to support these girls? The girl is because of money thats why in GL. Not because of the sex. So substantial amount has to be there in order to even comtemplate of making her quit.
Presently, some in Lor 18 are earning at least 10K SGD a month. Yes, presently, not last time. If last time, maybe more.

Social Issue
By telling the girl to quit means you gotta take care of her, her family and possibly means to be with her and marry her. Someone who can make a fast decision to ask the girl to quit, even if he has no money problems, also have to think of how to make the girl blend into our society. Or even blend himself into the thai society

Cultural Issue
For one who can ask the girl to quit right away, probably has deep pockets, but not rational thinking n how long does he know the girl? And IMHO, he probably hasn't know much of their culture as one who does know, wouldn't probably make such a rash decision.

First of all, if really want to ask the girl to quit, better have money. Many Many money, probably earn "peanuts", hopefully as much as Mr TT Durai. Then I think the social issue and cultural issue can slowly be taken care of.

SC

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by +++++++for

hey, thanks for the joke.

hahaha.... :|

Come on, each to his own. Nothing wrong there for he choose his path. Bottom line, appreciate his willingness to share.

[free]

Originally Posted by OceanEleven

Hate to admit it but this is the fact. If really want a Thai Girl, why not go find a decent one, from the web, from Thailand itself. Why go continue to dwell in the same place where afterall the odds are against you?

This is the mystery I am trying to fathom. Why must people go to the most unlikely places to find love?

Truth is while I have personally come across successful cases (just met one more lucky brother today, tho I had tot she was good bet for him even in the earlier stages), the number of failures far outweighs the successful cases.

If u are already in a tirakship and u are sure by now that she is quite for real (cannot really confirm until after ORD, hor), I suppose the best thing to do is to endure till the end. Better yet, (like for this dear bro I met) send her out of this airport, go thru customs together and on fly on the same plane, go home with her and spend time with her family. Haha for those whose "tirak" tell you everything also cannot do, think again We have a real life example here.

If you are not in a tirakship as yet, there are alternative places, as Ocean himself mentioned. These places allow u to build up a friendship w/o pressures or even spending money until the heart finally takes over. Much safer, perhaps.