Long Distance Tirak Relationship - Myth or Reality

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

Have you ever heard of advice given by relationship gurus (mostly western) to observe how someone behaves pertaining to their pets to have an idea of what kind of emotional bonds the person can build with another?

No I have not. I really don't listen to such "gurus" lah. Last I know, the singer of "Don't Worry, Be Happy" commited suicide. So did Dale Carnegie who wrote so many books like How to win more friends, etc, etc.
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Especially when the rabbit is close enough to her to respond to her voice and actually goes to her when she calls its name, even if it at another corner of the room or even the nextm room. I tried calling "Yoyo" too, but it ignored me completely KNN.

Well as far as I know, most Thai girls when call out to something, the something normally comes over, like ...men. Whereas for men, not all the something come over whenever we call them, like... women. also, for some of us, the rejections are more than others lah...

Also, I heard from relationship gurus that pets, like rabbits have instincts on whether a person is a good person or a bad person leh... and they of course avoid or go towards one accordingly... you've heard of that? kekekekekeke
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Actually those gurus were talking about pet dogs but Film did not want to have a dog as yet cos it cost more to maintain it. In fact she rejected the possibility of a puppy again tonite cos she knows it simply will mean an additional financial load on us.

Dogs not so expensive to maintain mah... i've seen a lot of strays and they never seem to go hungry leh....
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Guess you come across to me as a man where a rabbit is just yet another animal, (can u eat your own pet?) and if it's gone can be replaced by another. But in reality (at least for me & I know now for Fim too), once we formed a bond with a pet, it becomes irreplaceable (will not be a 100% substitution). Shit, I ever remembered my pet Moray eel I had 16 years ago! Not to mention my pet dog which died a long time.

I've eaten rabbits, dogs, etc... KNN for the matter I even teach people how to slaughter them leh... BTW, I was a jungle survival instructor in the SAF in Brunei hor...
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And there are the other things that resulted, our exchange of words that meant a lot to us, cos both of us are romantics. Perhaps for u, it may be but a waste of time and energy, but for us, there are the essence that kept us going & the r/s alive. That's why there was no way Rain and I would have made it, even if we really forced ourselves.

Ah.... Rain. And you keep reminding yourself of her by constantly mentioning her. Looks like you do not intent to forget her... why? Keeping her as a standby, just in case it gets too hot?

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

KNN, you Jing reu Bplaao. Cannot understand what bro BM wrote meh?Obviously trying to poke at me again issit? No worry, I Jai yen yen one

kekekekekekekekekekeke jai yen yen,

what do you expect from me? kekekekekekekeke

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by E-Moron

Bro Free ~ You have my envy man... seems like a profound understanding of thai has certainly helped you n Film communicate so much beta n dearer! She can sms u in thai ah? Interesting....

Well, it's becoz Film treats bro Free as a real tirak mah... She wants n hopes 2 share everytink in her life wif him.. b it sad, or happy moments 2gether... n i feel tt is so nice n romantic! ~ Esp. in LDR, since we often cant c 1 another, we cant realli b there 2 console n comfort... Hence a few comforting words from Bro Free made Film just happy...

IMHO, i feel itz kind of Bro Free 2 share his stories wif us... Reagrding d issue of fully trusting a Thai, i feel itz more on a personal note.. depends on the person oso bah ~ Cant 1 pole kill all men on boat oso rite? keke

Why don't you sit down with bro Free every night for a week and let him share his stories with you? I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I'll even pay for all the coffees you both drink... kekekekekekeke

[sacs]

for bros who read my post before.... is my consider to be under this thread?

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Why don't you sit down with bro Free every night for a week and let him share his stories with you? I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I'll even pay for all the coffees you both drink... kekekekekekeke

Bro free had many stories to relate but... usually all without ending one.

Give him another 1yr, he will bring another new tirak into his life.(as usual).

Until you really married a 'thai wife', have a bunch of 'thai kids', stay and live

half your life here in Thailand.Other then that, no one is a love guru here.

Maybe thaivistor and me are exceptional. kekekeke !!

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

No I have not. I really don't listen to such "gurus" lah. Last I know, the singer of "Don't Worry, Be Happy" commited suicide. So did Dale Carnegie who wrote so many books like How to win more friends, etc, etc.

ไม่เกี่ยว (mâi gìeow) . Book writers? Sorry no time to read too many books Those I talked about have never published books. They are just simple normal practising doctors. BTW, many singers dun even write their own songs and in the world they live in, can u even believe them? If you believe in all those lyrics in thai songs, die liao. Almost everybody would be heart broken, kekeke.

Well as far as I know, most Thai girls when call out to something, the something normally comes over, like ...men. Whereas for men, not all the something come over whenever we call them, like... women. also, for some of us, the rejections are more than others lah...

Also, I heard from relationship gurus that pets, like rabbits have instincts on whether a person is a good person or a bad person leh... and they of course avoid or go towards one accordingly... you've heard of that? kekekekekeke

Dogs not so expensive to maintain mah... i've seen a lot of strays and they never seem to go hungry leh....

haha, funny. Luckily I have more respect for u than to think that u can be so shallow. No, I believe u are far deeper than the above. Today, rejecting an available beautiful sexy woman is effortless for me, cos I am not available - unless she is Film of course.

I've eaten rabbits, dogs, etc... KNN for the matter I even teach people how to slaughter them leh... BTW, I was a jungle survival instructor in the SAF in Brunei hor...

Kill for for food and kill one's pet when not inn times of distress is like 100% different. Bad analogy here sorry. In times of distress, a Muslim is allowed to eat even pigs (or pork if u may)

Ah.... Rain. And you keep reminding yourself of her by constantly mentioning her. Looks like you do not intent to forget her... why? Keeping her as a standby, just in case it gets too hot?

Why Rain, because our experience together is a good example of how 01 fundamental underlying difference is enough to rock the whole boat. Guess you played in the jungle. We worked with explosives. No need to put a whole ton of explosives to bring down a tall block (may not even work). Just apply them to critical pillars and columns can liao. The building will then collapse on itself. FYI, Rain has a new thai bf now, as I advised her when we broke up she better look for a good Thai man, cos she cannot adapt to a foreigner as so cannot make it with a typical one, and more so if he is a romantic nut like me. And I run far away from TGs who dun like her tirak to be romantic, no matter how nice or beautiful she is -cos I know it will not work. On the contrary to what u think, we have both move on, and I feel comfortable to use our past together as an analogy, without an iota of pain.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

FYI, Rain has a new thai bf now, as I advised her when we broke up she better look for a good Thai man, cos she cannot adapt to a foreigner as so cannot make it with a typical one, and more so if he is a romantic nut like me. And I run far away from TGs who dun like her tirak to be romantic, no matter how nice or beautiful she is -cos I know it will not work. On the contrary to what u think, we have both move on, and I feel comfortable to use our past together as an analogy, without an iota of pain.

Wasted, should have introduced her to me...

Anyway, I'll be bakc to sG next weekend. See you soon.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Bro free had many stories to relate but... usually all without ending one.

Give him another 1yr, he will bring another new tirak into his life.(as usual).

Until you really married a 'thai wife', have a bunch of 'thai kids', stay and live

half your life here in Thailand.Other then that, no one is a love guru here.

Maybe thaivistor and me are exceptional. kekekeke !!

My kind of guy, kekekekekekeke

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Bro free had many stories to relate but... usually all without ending one.

Give him another 1yr, he will bring another new tirak into his life.(as usual).

Until you really married a 'thai wife', have a bunch of 'thai kids', stay and live

half your life here in Thailand.Other then that, no one is a love guru here.

Maybe thaivistor and me are exceptional. kekekeke !!

My Dear Friend,
First I notice you tend to piggy back on someone's post. Have u not any fresh ideas of your own? ถ้าขี้เกียจไม่อยากคิดเองก็ไม่ต้องมาที่นี้รบกวนคุณต ้องการยุ่งหรือเปล่า

Second, don't you think you are being rather presumptous, if not arrogant? I know that you are "there" - u live there, maybe you have kids there? What ever. Maybe u live there three quarters of your happy life, I dun f care. Whether you are really happy with your life now, only you know. Dun talk big big now cos marry liao but don't treasure what iu have also can divorce one. Met so many women these few days who divorced their husbands (not the other way round), I felt so sad. And I have never claim to be a guru, If there is one claim I can make, it would be that it is my heart's desire to be helpful.

TV fires me yes, and I accepted it, cos he does not hide behind a monitor and he meets me face to face and we discussed things that are not always written down cos we cannot write everything down. We can question and clarify with each other and I am even thankful for in one of his posts, is the advice I needed and was looking for - how to choose the right woman for me.

You do not know me and u have NOT even met me, and yet u said say things that are in fact very sweeping at times. Many times you have passed snipe remarks and I have ignored that. Friend, do not take your experience and put them on another's shoulders and expect things to be seen or experienced from you angle. There are just too many situations and variations in this world to do that. What sounds impossible to one is normal everyday happenings to another. I myself have done things ppl think are are impossible (and today what I have created exist in real physical things all over the world), and similarly I have also seen things that I tot would be impossible to do, and my mind learnt that much more).

Today, as I go onto Live Internet chat with Thais (& typing in Thai), be they male or female in Thailand or in USA, my perpective has widen even more. From enducated men to Transvertites, from happily married women to diviorcees to 19 yr old SYT looking for a chance to practise english to those seriously looking for love. Now with many Internet cafes offering webcam, it has gone into a different dimension. LDTRs may become easier in the future, at least in terms of communication.

TV asked me how does learning to read and write Thai can benefit me? To be able to read what they write in Thai and reply back to them is to me what playing Multi-player Internet games is to another. At the end of it,. I learnt more about another person, another country, how our perspectives are similar or different. same for them too. Generally, even you you meet a Thai who is very good in English (grads or whatever) there is a limit as to how much they will or can share with you. But when your conversation (spoken and written) is in Thai, it puts you into a different world altogether. Today I have within my access a whole range of information resource I never had before. Yes I am proud of what I have achieve, but I am not vain. I use what I know to help and even teach others (like my idea of holding a proper thai language class for serious students), as long as time and resource constraints permit.

My Friend, I have brothers asking me seriously for help with the Thai language, be it learn to speak read or write. Or even understand what a TG may feel (from a different perspective cos I do ask my tirak I am not sure, and now my online female friends). What I know I share, or point them to where they can get help. I even meet with them, that is my help is pro-active. As I receive from others, I also give of myself. E-moron has hinted it and he is just one of the many bros here who have received personal help from me. and I had their friendship and gratitude in exchange - so fully paid for.

As for you? What are you doing? Enuf said.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by free

My Dear Friend,
First I notice you tend to piggy back on someone's post. Have u not any fresh ideas of your own? ถ้าขี้เกียจไม่อยากคิดเองก็ไม่ต้องมาที่นี้รบกวนคุณต ้องการยุ่งหรือเปล่า

Second, don't you think you are being rather presumptous, if not arrogant? I know that you are "there" - u live there, maybe you have kids there? What ever. Maybe u live there three quarters of your happy life, I dun f care. Whether you are really happy with your life now, only you know. Dun talk big big now cos marry liao but don't treasure what iu have also can divorce one. Met so many women these few days who divorced their husbands (not the other way round), I felt so sad. And I have never claim to be a guru, If there is one claim I can make, it would be that it is my heart's desire to be helpful.

TV fires me yes, and I accepted it, cos he does not hide behind a monitor and he meets me face to face and we discussed things that are not always written down cos we cannot write everything down. We can question and clarify with each other and I am even thankful for in one of his posts, is the advice I needed and was looking for - how to choose the right woman for me.

You do not know me and u have NOT even met me, and yet u said say things that are in fact very sweeping at times. Many times you have passed snipe remarks and I have ignored that. Friend, do not take your experience and put them on another's shoulders and expect things to be seen or experienced from you angle. There are just too many situations and variations in this world to do that. What sounds impossible to one is normal everyday happenings to another. I myself have done things ppl think are are impossible (and today what I have created exist in real physical things all over the world), and similarly I have also seen things that I tot would be impossible to do, and my mind learnt that much more).

Today, as I go onto Live Internet chat with Thais (& typing in Thai), be they male or female in Thailand or in USA, my perpective has widen even more. From enducated men to Transvertites, from happily married women to diviorcees to 19 yr old SYT looking for a chance to practise english to those seriously looking for love. Now with many Internet cafes offering webcam, it has gone into a different dimension. LDTRs may become easier in the future, at least in terms of communication.

TV asked me how does learning to read and write Thai can benefit me? To be able to read what they write in Thai and reply back to them is to me what playing Multi-player Internet games is to another. At the end of it,. I learnt more about another person, another country, how our perspectives are similar or different. same for them too. Generally, even you you meet a Thai who is very good in English (grads or whatever) there is a limit as to how much they will or can share with you. But when your conversation (spoken and written) is in Thai, it puts you into a different world altogether. Today I have within my access a whole range of information resource I never had before. Yes I am proud of what I have achieve, but I am not vain. I use what I know to help and even teach others (like my idea of holding a proper thai language class for serious students), as long as time and resource constraints permit.

My Friend, I have brothers asking me seriously for help with the Thai language, be it learn to speak read or write. Or even understand what a TG may feel (from a different perspective cos I do ask my tirak I am not sure, and now my online female friends). What I know I share, or point them to where they can get help. I even meet with them, that is my help is pro-active. As I receive from others, I also give of myself. E-moron has hinted it and he is just one of the many bros here who have received personal help from me. and I had their friendship and gratitude in exchange - so fully paid for.

As for you? What are you doing? Enuf said.

You wrote very well indeed.

Other then that, i still sees you as 'green horn' in thai cultures.

Maybe it the way, you wrote your fairy tales story.

But i can tell you this, you have yet to see the 'true color' of thai culture.

Staying a few weeks in countryside with your tirak family, learn to

speak and write a bit of thai, doesn't mean you will know them better.

You will learn the 'hard way', whether you like it or not.

You past relationships with your ex tiraks, were just a small ' hip up'.

More major problems are waiting for you after you marry her.

My 'ang mo' not as good as you so i better write less here.

I can see that you only want to hear the good stuffs said about your tirak

but strongly reject negative comment by others.

Then why you still continue to post your 'love story' here in open forum ??

I mean you well but you take it too seriously.(or personally)

From now on, i will stop comment, least you jump on me again.

Call hai choke dee !!

[Bangkok Master]

Come on guys...........we are here to discuss about LDTR, no matter who is more successful or knowledgable, all are still the same. Bro Free is the threadstarter and anyone who reads his post knows that he's a bit "Loso"...oops but his intention is good as he shares his informations be it good or bad at least there's the effort and spirit of sharing.

Bro bkkguy is a lao jiao married man in Bkk and he knows the ins and outs after being married to a TG and he's also heard to warn all the bros about the dark side of LTDR.

No matter want each individual got their priorities and intentions so "Mai Tong Ta Lor Gan, Dai Mai". So far this is the first time being a "Kaypoh" to be a peacemaker as before I'm also a shit-stirrer in the tirak thread cos both of you are not the "Cocky" type so I believe so let's carry on from there and "Kor Hai Tuk Khon Choke Dee Na Krub"..................btw today open lottery, those in Thailand, I got kangtao no. 099. Hopefully can help the bros here to "HUAT AH"

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

You wrote very well indeed.
Other then that, i still sees you as 'green horn' in thai cultures.
Maybe it the way, you wrote your fairy tales story.
But i can tell you this, you have yet to see the 'true color' of thai culture.
Staying a few weeks in countryside with your tirak family, learn to
speak and write a bit of thai, doesn't mean you will know them better.
You will learn the 'hard way', whether you like it or not.
You past relationships with your ex tiraks, were just a small ' hip up'.
More major problems are waiting for you after you marry her.
My 'ang mo' not as good as you so i better write less here.
I can see that you only want to hear the good stuffs said about your tirak
but strongly reject negative comment by others.
Then why you still continue to post your 'love story' here in open forum ??
I mean you well but you take it too seriously.(or personally)
From now on, i will stop comment, least you jump on me again.
Call hai choke dee !!

My friend, I have been in and out of thailand since 1987. But there is really no need to talk too much about that because life then revolves around work and the almost "mandatory" R&Rs when I am there, until I got married and stopped. And did not start again until much later, even though I still go in and out of Thailand.

Negative views is one thing - that I dun have any problems. But when ppl take pot shots at others for no apparent reason other than to feel shiok themselves, that is where I make my stand and I will rightly reject it,. Take a look at yr post again, seriously. What do you think I will gain by it, even if I go explore every word in each sentence? The comments you made above? Do you even know me? Or any of the ladies I have dated? What makes you an authority to use "YOU WILL....."? Come on. I have never claim to know the thai culture like the back of my hand. What others want to say about me, I cannot help it. Man I can't even claim to know Singapore culture, even though I have been living here longer than many of us have been alive. I only said I am learning and will continue to learn. And I am now finding more effective ways to learn. Like from a Thai lady with a UK bf, hmmm she gave me interesting perspectives one normally don't get, cos we are not a threat to each other, nor have vested interest.

You think I am so naive to think that there will be no problems in a inter-nationality marriage? Please, even with a SGrean woman (same race, same religion) there will be problems. What I know is that as long as we are prepared to work thru problems, there is hope ahead yet. If I have not dared to face the problems I wouldn't choose this route in the first place. Might as well go and be a monk and not worry about worldly affairs, but I am not cut out to be one. Bear in mind that I had not been a case of hopelessly fallen in love with someone who gave me good sex earlier and I had no choice since I was already in. No, NONE of my r/s revolves around sex in the beginning.

I dun reject everything ppl say as you might like to think, or I would have died on this journey long ago. but I do view opinions in the light of my own situation. Fact is even advise from genuinely concerned bros are what they are:- advice from afar unless u personally know me AND my tirak. Do you? Cos for every situation one u can quote I can always find a counter situation, But it serves no purpose, cos I still have to walk my journey myself.

I do listen and absorb what ppl say if you had been following my "documented" journey here in SB since 2003. However, I dun have the time nor the urge to post everything I have experienced here, but closer friends will know what I went thru and what I improved my situations on the way. If I had misunderstood your good intentions I am sorry cos they were not evident in your post, but really there is no need to write the way u did - putting others down.

Anyway I am too busy to post much, cos I have many other things on my plate. Time to go receive again, this time learning from the Thai people themselves from all over Thailand and the world - people who are more than willing to share their perpectives. One gal I know even did her academic work with a major in "Prostitutes in Thailand". Would love to get my hands on a copy of her thesis.

You want me to listen, give me an example, preferably one that you are personally involved in or at least know the person involved, and you can be sure I will be all ears. Else it is all too easy to make sweeping statements about "experience". What is "experience", anyway?

Sorry I sound rude or crude, but I think it is time ppl think and realised that the more one knows, the more one should realise that he doesn't know. And what is our motivation for posting today?

Am I proud of my achievements in learning the thai language to where I am today and be able to actually chat live in thai? U bet! For I have reached a milestone I set for myself at half the time I gave myself. But I am not vain. What do I do with it? I share what I learnt with others, by giving to them that they too will benefit, if they are willing to put in that effort. Every single post of mine as far as this beautiful language is concerned has only one thing in mind - GIVE

Am I upset with you? Yes a little. Am I mad? No. I just want you to know that sometimes we ought to consider others party's feelings when we write things and just as important what we AND him gain from it. So would appreciate if you rephrase yr words and ask if what you wrote is what u meant. This is a public forum no doubt, but freedom w/o self-discipline leads to Anarchy.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by Bangkok Master

Come on guys...........we are here to discuss about LDTR, no matter who is more successful or knowledgable, all are still the same. Bro Free is the threadstarter and anyone who reads his post knows that he's a bit "Loso"...oops but his intention is good as he shares his informations be it good or bad at least there's the effort and spirit of sharing.
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Hi Bangkok Master !


At least you talk more senses here .
Re regardless, who the thread starter here.
This is , after all an open forum. General publics are 'feel free' to post their comment except *&^% lah. haha !!
From the way he wrote, he more like boasting/ writing a fairly tale story about thailand BGR.But the truth fact is....... nothing he wrote regarding his 'own' thai relationship is closer to the reality here.
If not, you 'WILL' not see so many sg bros here kenna 'blue black' liao.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by free

My friend, I have been in and out of thailand since 1987. But there is really no need to talk too much about that because life then revolves around work and the almost "mandatory" R&Rs when I am there, until I got married and stopped. And did not start again until much later, even though I still go in and out of Thailand.

Negative views is one thing - that I dun have any problems. But when ppl take pot shots at others for no apparent reason other than to feel shiok themselves, that is where I make my stand and I will rightly reject it,. Take a look at yr post again, seriously. What do you think I will gain by it, even if I go explore every word in each sentence? The comments you made above? Do you even know me? Or any of the ladies I have dated? What makes you an authority to use "YOU WILL....."? Come on. I have never claim to know the thai culture like the back of my hand. What others want to say about me, I cannot help it. Man I can't even claim to know Singapore culture, even though I have been living here longer than many of us have been alive. I only said I am learning and will continue to learn. And I am now finding more effective ways to learn. Like from a Thai lady with a UK bf, hmmm she gave me interesting perspectives one normally don't get, cos we are not a threat to each other, nor have vested interest.

You think I am so naive to think that there will be no problems in a inter-nationality marriage? Please, even with a SGrean woman (same race, same religion) there will be problems. What I know is that as long as we are prepared to work thru problems, there is hope ahead yet. If I have not dared to face the problems I wouldn't choose this route in the first place. Might as well go and be a monk and not worry about worldly affairs, but I am not cut out to be one. Bear in mind that I had not been a case of hopelessly fallen in love with someone who gave me good sex earlier and I had no choice since I was already in. No, NONE of my r/s revolves around sex in the beginning.

I dun reject everything ppl say as you might like to think, or I would have died on this journey long ago. but I do view opinions in the light of my own situation. Fact is even advise from genuinely concerned bros are what they are:- advice from afar unless u personally know me AND my tirak. Do you? Cos for every situation one u can quote I can always find a counter situation, But it serves no purpose, cos I still have to walk my journey myself.

I do listen and absorb what ppl say if you had been following my "documented" journey here in SB since 2003. However, I dun have the time nor the urge to post everything I have experienced here, but closer friends will know what I went thru and what I improved my situations on the way. If I had misunderstood your good intentions I am sorry cos they were not evident in your post, but really there is no need to write the way u did - putting others down.

Anyway I am too busy to post much, cos I have many other things on my plate. Time to go receive again, this time learning from the Thai people themselves from all over Thailand and the world - people who are more than willing to share their perpectives. One gal I know even did her academic work with a major in "Prostitutes in Thailand". Would love to get my hands on a copy of her thesis.

You want me to listen, give me an example, preferably one that you are personally involved in or at least know the person involved, and you can be sure I will be all ears. Else it is all too easy to make sweeping statements about "experience". What is "experience", anyway?

Sorry I sound rude or crude, but I think it is time ppl think and realised that the more one knows, the more one should realise that he doesn't know. And what is our motivation for posting today?

Am I proud of my achievements in learning the thai language to where I am today and be able to actually chat live in thai? U bet! For I have reached a milestone I set for myself at half the time I gave myself. But I am not vain. What do I do with it? I share what I learnt with others, by giving to them that they too will benefit, if they are willing to put in that effort. Every single post of mine as far as this beautiful language is concerned has only one thing in mind - GIVE

Am I upset with you? Yes a little. Am I mad? No. I just want you to know that sometimes we ought to consider others party's feelings when we write things and just as important what we AND him gain from it. So would appreciate if you rephrase yr words and ask if what you wrote is what u meant. This is a public forum no doubt, but freedom w/o self-discipline leads to Anarchy.

You indeed wrote very well AGAIN.
You should write a book yourself.
I am not picking at you, don't be misunderstood.
I personally don't even know bro thaivisitor myself.
Did you see me picking on him ?
No ! Why !!
Because he wrote the true facts and i personally can verify it.
Both of us , have been there, done that and come back. Have you ?
I think you that kind of person, who never admits to be 'cheated' by thai gal.
Even though, you have been 'conned' so many times by your ex tiraks.
Why i say that ? I've done my conclusions base on the way you wrote your tirak stories.
More like a fantasy to me than the reality.
You're just 'day dreaming' here yourself.
In chinese saying: "Zhi tao zhi yen " (own director and own acting).


Choke dee ,krap !!

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

Hi Bangkok Master !
At least you talk more senses here .
Re regardless, who the thread starter here.
This is , after all an open forum. General publics are 'feel free' to post their comment except *&^% lah. haha !!
From the way he wrote, he more like boasting/ writing a fairly tale story about thailand BGR.But the truth fact is....... nothing he wrote regarding his 'own' thai relationship is closer to the reality here.
If not, you 'WILL' not see so many sg bros here kenna 'blue black' liao.

What I write here does not refer to you or me alone, som plse dun take it as an attack, please. It concerns everybody whether we like it or not.

In all relationships, there are going to be blue blacks every where. In many countries (USA, SG and LOS included), divorce rates are on the rise. My question is what ponds do we swim in? Like Deli said, if we swim in turtle ponds what do we expect? We drink turtle soup of course. I do not claim much experience in the many circles or groups of TGs that are in existence today. And neither can you claim experience in all the circles that are there. Not even a thai can claim that. If anything I have very little experience as far as the "puying tiang keun" are concerned. Not because of any reason but that I have no interest to play in that circle. I don't know about you, but I have met so many ppl who were born, grew up, build a family and then die with a small radius from where they came into existence. Well all they had known all their life is that turtle pond. Anything outside? Gotta be bad! Or they think all of us are turtles anyway, so how different can we be? But they never knew other creatures with different characteristics exist outsdie their ponds.

What is reality to one is fictitious to another, because one faces and live in a different enviornment from another, even if they are physically very close.. In our case (as an example) what you experienced in thailand, is not what I have experienced and vice versa. Is mine all good? of course not. But I can say I have learnt to avoid most of the potential bad, by starting at the right place. But I have not denied I have spend money on my ex-tiraks nor claimed that I don't. What I will say is that I have spent them on what I can see and verify are right reasons, even if things don;t work the way we expected. I have not faced a case where the money that was spent goes to a poochai that she keeps by the side. You do not know what I have seen or have in my hands be confident enough to say what I just said, so please do not make conclusions base on whatever experience you may have.

But then again, what is right (or satisfactory) for me may not apply to you, for I am sure our needs are differentand we have different thresholds too. However, I have seen and experienced a lot more than you think. I have personal friends who lost everything, and I also have some who live happy like a king. Why, I even have a relative (a tour guide who has been lving there since I was a kid) who could have died in the Tsunami, as he was caught right in it, and he lives to come back to tell his tale simply cos of his quick thinking. The world is a terribly small place at times and yet at times it is incredibly vast.

I have never ever mentioned even once that I have a lot of experience in everything, especially in relationships with TGs, Being a Starter of this thread does not an expert make. I started thjis thread for all LDTR pilgrims to share and learn. Nor am I an expert in anything. It is others who slap those uncalled-for titles on me and then blame me for having them. How can that be? But there is one thing I know. I have known what it is like to kena black and blue and it happen right here on this little red dot. And I have met others who have faced the same. So you tell me what is the difference? Why is LOS any worse? Let no one go away thinking that u got an SG gal, u are safe. Sometimes the emotional stress is even worse. Depends on what you do and where you chose to swim in, isn't it? Surely you can't expect clean fresh water when u swim in Kallang River? Of course one shouldn't. And even the water in the swimming pools in Singapore - all fresh and chlorinated, but they are all different, somehow.

Somehow, from your posts, I cannot help but think that there is a significant, if not majority segment of the Thai world u dun seem to have known or at least not intimately, even though you live right there, and I urge you to explore that if you ever have the chance. This world I have known about its existence all along but never got my foot in. But I am now beginning to explore. A world where there are wonderful educated and gainfully employed Thai women, beautiful (means more than just face), faithful, upright, loving and yes, even ROMANTIC!, women who often laden with the burden of having to raise a couple of young kids on their own, simply cos their bastard ex-hubbies abandon them when they wanted a new wife. Or if theie habbies had been good to them, some unfortunate accident or illness robbed her of his love and care. This is a world of pain and courage, a world so touching sometimes one feels their pain, pity them and even cry with them. And there are those who have not been married before but have emotional scars in their hearts so deep that it will take a long tiem to heal, if ever. Wonderful women who would gladly give 100% (not a iota less) of their hearts, minds and bodies to the one who come come and love them, share their lives with them and most of all, be true to them, one and only? Money is not at the top of their agenda. In fact for many, it is not even a major requirement. Do you know this world? Perhaps you do, though I doubt you would know it deeply.

Do notice that I do not say much about the "working laides" world -because I chose to stay away and thus I disqualify myself. Simple common sense tells me to stay away. It is not worth the potential pain, Of course there are eagles in there who got in for whatever reasons and they are all ready to soar high in the sky with the prince when he comes for them. While I want to believe there are more such women in this circle, I also know that many of them already had their wings cllipped or worse have already accepted that they are turtles all along.

If one has to make statements that cover a spectrum of people (TGs included) let us at least state which spectrum or catergory of ppl we are refering to.