Advise please

[Mr.romantic]

Originally Posted by adidas88

bro charmaine .. r u telling me all these while u have not bonk her at all ??
not even once ???

don't think so unless he bonked her in his most recent trip. he did mentioned before he has never bonked her before. what a guy.

[pussyman72]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

1. She texted me non-stop since the end of my fourth trip and made regular trips to the internet cafe to speak with me almost daily. If she had done that to every one of her customers she would have been a very busy girl.

Now I know that she simply picks and chooses who she wants to target based on her instincts of who she likes (but not loves) and who could potentially the easiest to trick (in this instance, me).

well tell me which girl wont try to call their customer often when they feel comfortable with someone who come visit them often.

Especially guys that show weakness to them and they will try to fish u out of the pond.

yes this WL work in this line been cheated before and they are smart after that. so if wanna play the game then play smart. word of advice cannot play the game. then pay n fark off. have a weak heart then better dont go into battle with them, u will lose

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've grown stronger from the experience. There too much to do and see in Bangkok to waste your time focusing your effort and attention on one exclusive person.

good that u learn from ur experience there much more to learn and see in thailand well i dont see this as waste time hehehe there is many way of playing so depends how well u can take it if u really get involved.

some will throw $$$ like nobody business to show they can get the girl. some will use time and $$$ to get into a relationship with the girl n later ditch them.
there many many games to play in thailand is whether u want to be the player or being played.

[pussyman72]

Originally Posted by Mr.romantic

she has never conned you for money so getting back at her is uncalled for. just that you did not know how to play the game right from the start. these girls are experienced players. are you the player or the playee? always point the finger to ourselves first.

it's best to start afresh and go to another club to get a new regular chick unless you still have bottles and drinks from your current membership.

hmm for once i agree with ur point hehehee

[Charmaine]

Originally Posted by adidas88

bro charmaine .. r u telling me all these while u have not bonk her at all ??
not even once ???

Can I choose not to answer that?

I know. I should be barred from this forum for life and you guys should have my testicles surgically removed while you're at it.

It's not that I didn't want to. I thought about it.. but I just wanted everything to be perfect. I'm a sucker for great sex, not just sex. Most of the time we were either drunk or too tired. When I'm drunk I can't perform, and when I'm too tired I just want to sleep.

To be honest it's not high on my list of to-do things, this whole "I need to fuck her" thing. I've screwed my fair share of girls, but over the years what I've realised is that the best sex occurs when everything is.. dreamy. You know, something that you can look back years after it happened that brings a smile to your face, playing the part of a Korean romantic hero and making the female feel special, the whole works. It's got to be sweet, romantic, a lot of kissing (not groping), and which the touching and caressing happens naturally, not because you're pressured to "score". It's hard to explain. Maybe I'm just too sensitive for my own good.

Mr Romantic: I'm surprised myself. Maybe all it takes for me to wake up from my slumber is a good dose of realism. Getting back at her is uncalled for. It's all a game, after all. If there aren't losers there won't be winners. This time I lost - the next time I'll win. You also mentioned "some will throw $$$ like nobody business to show they can get the girl. some will use time and $$$ to get into a relationship with the girl n later ditch them." and I'll readily admit that I was trying to be the latter, but instead got burnt and ended up with egg all over my face. No matter, I'll get up and walk again.

Just for everyone's information and to satisfy this warped fetish of mine to laugh at myself, I've just received my credit card bill yesterday and realised that I blew 2 grand over my last trip. We stayed in the best hotel, ate the best meals, bought the most expensive drinks and went for the best massages. All this for no pussy.

Go on, chuckle away.

You know what the weirdest thing is? I still think of her a lot. But I'm sober now. Maybe the only reason why I'm feeling miserable is because of the whole ego thing. I tried my utmost best but still couldn't get a Thai G-Club girl to love me - that's all there is. I was never really in love with her - just with the idea of "winning". Or am I being self-delusional again?

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Can I choose not to answer that?

i dun think u need to now ...
we know the answer ....

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I know. I should be barred from this forum for life and you guys should have my testicles surgically removed while you're at it.

this is the first time i totally agreed with u ....

Originally Posted by Charmaine

To be honest it's not high on my list of to-do things, this whole "I need to fuck her" thing. I've screwed my fair share of girls, but over the years what I've realised is that the best sex occurs when everything is.. dreamy. You know, something that you can look back years after it happened that brings a smile to your face, playing the part of a Korean romantic hero and making the female feel special, the whole works. It's got to be sweet, romantic, a lot of kissing (not groping), and which the touching and caressing happens naturally, not because you're pressured to "score". It's hard to explain. Maybe I'm just too sensitive for my own good.

my dear ... u just make my day ....
mr romeo .... u don't go to bkk to look for romance ...
it is as if u r looking for a yacht in the desert ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Just for everyone's information and to satisfy this warped fetish of mine to laugh at myself, I've just received my credit card bill yesterday and realised that I blew 2 grand over my last trip. We stayed in the best hotel, ate the best meals, bought the most expensive drinks and went for the best massages. All this for no pussy.

gotta give u a grammy award for that ...

Originally Posted by Charmaine

You know what the weirdest thing is? I still think of her a lot.
But I'm sober now. Maybe the only reason why I'm feeling miserable is because of the whole ego thing. I tried my utmost best but still couldn't get a Thai G-Club girl to love me - that's all there is. I was never really in love with her - just with the idea of "winning". Or am I being self-delusional again?

it's normal for a normal person ...

The stupid neither forgive nor forget;
The naive forgive and forget;
The wise forgive but do not forget.

[Cyberspace Nerd]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've personally never tried that before. That does sound like an excellent, albeit evil, idea.

There is nothing about that. think about it, she might be doing that to you! This is the best strategy to adopt if you want to have fun cheonging.

Originally Posted by Charmaine

I've harboured the (admittedly) narrow-minded thought of going back to the same G-Club to get to know a fresh new girl (hopefully now I won't get emotionally burnt!) just to get back at her, but that would have been too much. Thais value face more than anything else in the world and I'm sure this will have repercussions.

How will I play this??? I will go back to the club (to finish the bottle like mr romance suggested) but will not barfine her or buy her drinks. See how she reacts. If she still decides to go with you, good, you saved the barfine. Otherwise I think she will get the message. remember, u are there to play. If another girl came to ask you for drinks, buy her one. If your girl really into you, I bet she will be fuming. If she did not get jealous, you were probably dreaming all this while, thinking that she really likes you.

[yinyang]

Originally Posted by Mr.romantic

..she has never conned you for money so getting back at her is uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Charmaine

..merely the extension of her "work" and it simply represents a short break from the monotony of reporting to the G-Club everyday. No wonder she was so accommodating. I've grown stronger from the experience.

Bro Charmaine, your therapy may have worked -whatever it takes (with some "wake up your idea" feedback from rest here). Don't quite agree with your cynicism on her. Neither on getting your own back (ok, just some passing thoughts) ...may well backfire. Fault's not hers entirely, but sorry to say this -you make your own bed.

Experience's the best teacher, so long you are stronger for it. So next time, your bullet proof vest comes in handy.

[Charmaine]

Jesus, she texted.

We ignored each other for 2 days. Then out of the blue she texted me 10 minutes ago.

"I have never asked you to support me or told you to buy me phone credits. I said thank you and never thought you were stupid. If you think it's my fault for asking you for the correct serial number, then next time don't buy anything for me."

And then another one just 5 minutes ago.

"I thought you came back because you were happy to see me. If you think you're wrong and I'm not special to you anymore, I understand. Everybody needs someone. Not only you."

And then a third one.

"If I wanted to hurt you I will just bullshit you and say yes we are gf and bf now. How are you going to trust me when I work in this job? I said I was not good enough for you. I really meant that."

If my new-found cynicism is anything to go by, my feeling is she got duped or molested last night while working and she's trying to crawl her way back to me. I'm not so silly this time. I'm battle hardened.

[Charmaine]

And then a fourth one.

"I am not stupid. I know how much you care. But you don't understand too. You really want me to say those sweet words that are not important? What is important is what you do."

I couldn't take the sms bombardment any longer. I replied her some random "Thanks for your sms. I understand now. Yes, I need those sweet words."

The reply came right away.

"Whoever is nice to me, I know and I'll never think he's stupid. I'm very happy that you like me. Very, very happy. I'll never forget the 2 days that you came over and gave me such a special time. I am at (name of G-Club) everyday, it's the same."

Well it all sounds fine and dandy now doesn't it? But it isn't. I'm hardened. I'm not in love anymore. I now find her a gaff. If she's genuine, she's taking far too long to come up with something like that. It's just not believable anymore.

[adidas88]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Well it all sounds fine and dandy now doesn't it? But it isn't. I'm hardened. I'm not in love anymore. I now find her a gaff. If she's genuine, she's taking far too long to come up with something like that. It's just not believable anymore.

bro charmaine .... whatever it is, i think u should leave it as it is and move on with ur new future ...

let me share something with u ...
for one .. they will never see anything wrong with what they have done regardless of what have happened ...
u must understand that we have different culture ... and we grew up in different environment ...
thus their perspective of assessment on a situation is different ...

u can argue with her till the cow come home .... it's not going to change her perspective ...
it will just goes round and round with the situation ...
total waste of time and effort ...

thus i would advise u to close the case and move on ...

[piratedking]

Bro, afterall, she work in G-Club, her role is to make customer happy and have GFE; keeping a happy returning customer is better then having a new one each time. For sure she like you, that's why she choose to go out with you, be it taking a little off days from work or just to hang out with friend (BFE in this case). I mean we all get lonely from time to time (I get lonely all the time )

Also, consider lucky you never send money to support her, the pre-paid card is too little compare to the monthly "maintenance costs" our other bros are sending out to their tirak. And, the SGD2K bills is nothing; come on, you spend half the money on yourself and paying half for the "GF" while you enjoying her companies is a good bargain. i bet you going to spend even more if you bring your GF from Sillypore there.

I don't mind seeing you stay day dreaming while in your Disneyland, but once you back to Sillypore, either u left the things behind and move on, or move on and wait for you next trip. don't think too much.

I bet she don't mean to hurt you. she just want to keep thing as it is for now. She knows in reality that this is the only time she can make a lot of money, once over her peak, I don't think she can work the same job any more.

Can't you just take her as a friend? I mean you might be able to plan for next holiday to go over and bonk her. Or take her as a local tour guide will free car moving around BKK (don't tell me you pay for the gas as having a private car with lady driver is very good deal ya)?

Take it easy my friend

[AdGuy]

Originally Posted by Charmaine

Well it all sounds fine and dandy now doesn't it? But it isn't. I'm hardened. I'm not in love anymore. I now find her a gaff. If she's genuine, she's taking far too long to come up with something like that. It's just not believable anymore.

I haven't read your story in detail enough to know what actually transpired, but I must say you are an extremely honest guy. Your point about it all being an ego thing very much reflects my own perspective on things. And I strongly believe in it.

There is no right or wrong in this instance, no stupid or clever. If anyone tells you otherwise, just wait and see how he'll react when the right one comes along. We are all creatures of emotion, and falling victim to a pretty face or 'sweetness' is not a sign of weakness. It's just a natural attraction between sexes that has made humanity what it is today.

Having said that, WLs also have the right to love and be loved, just like anyone of us. Why is it that a WLs affection is viewed with suspicion and someone else's not? A girl on the street has as much a motive to play with your feelings as would a WL.

Also, how many WLs do you come into contact with? And how many men do WLs come in contact with? For every WL who would want to cheat you of your money, there are a dozen times more men who would want to cheat them of sex. Can you blame them for being battle hardened too?

My point is this. I do believe that true feelings exist. But you have to take time to cultivate that r'ship, just like any other. If you (as in men in general) believe in quick returns by throwing money at her, who can blame her for wanting to chop you? When money is taken out of the equation, and she still chooses to be with you, then it could be a r'ship worth developing. But if you are just like the other men who want to possess a woman just to boost their egos, then Joe, you deserve to be in the heartbreaking position that you are in.

Learn to respect and others will respect you.

Sorry for my 2 cents worth. Just feeling really bored and thinking of my darling at the same time.

[krazyMe]

bro charmaine, thanks for sharing your experiences.

From the various posts, i can see that the girl that you encountered with was much more intelligent and sophisicated, beyond your imaginations. Subconsciously you might be "stereotyping" her as the typical thai agogo lady, but still treating with some respects/gentlemanly as to fulfil your "romantic" love fantasy. She probably sensed that and would not fall into another tragedy or game of love. why? Ultimately, you will be sicked of the game and dumped her for good.

[theUnforgotten]

bro charmaine,

I applaud u in your efforts to come clean and post your experiences.

Always try to remain focused , and remember do not look for love in the wrong places ( G clubs included) . Sometimes it can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff of SMS and determine if her feelings for you are made up or for real .

It can be difficult at this stage to think rationally , as we human beings have emotions too. Bro if u want to make a clean break , do it . Get a new phone number change it , then get on with life.

[Charmaine]

Thank you everyone for sharing your personal thoughts with me as well. It's been a pleasure (although a frankly painful one) to reiterate my story with people who has been through it all and more.

Well, she's sought to stay in touch after yesterday. At 5pm today she texted me again - some random thing about what she's doing. I politely texted back and we ended the day's conversation at that. Yes I still miss her, but it's no longer as passionate as before. I guess time does heal everything. You're right, KrazyMe, she's poised and sophisticated. Not all G-Club girls are (from my limited experience some are still village girls trapped in a hi-so lookalike body), but you could say she's a little more refined. At least she's not stupid - we know that for a fact. She knows men's intentions inside out (to ultimately fuck her) and she knows that she's been cheated once, so she's holding all the aces.

theUnforgotten: Well in my defence (not that I have a lot left in my armour) I never sought out to find love. As cliche as it may sound, it sort of found me. I first stepped into a G-Club not knowing what to expect and not expecting a good time - hell, I was rubbing my hands in glee at the anticipation of a lot of whiskey more than I was excited at the prospect of a girl sitting beside me the entire evening trying to look like she gives a shit. But then she appeared. I think I'm not going to go cold turkey for now - changing phone numbers seem a little drastic (I've had it for a million years now).

I agree with AdGuy. WLs deserve love too. But as I see this thread generate slowly into a philosophical minefield, I'm beginning to see why she's wrong. She's always maintained that she isn't good enough for me. I think the truth is I was never good enough for her. She deserves someone to really love her for who she is. I can never be that person. I'm shallow minded, petty, unforgiving, suspicious and needy. Surely any girl, WL or not, Thai or local - deserves someone better, no?