Tieng Viet lovers club

[retsoor]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

ruou nhap cuong dam noi loan = ???
anyone know what it means?

when it's from you...maybe it's a dubious sentence?

I see words like wine, rape, and rebel/rebellion, but I don't see very clearly late at night. interesting sentence, like the others you posted before

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by jackbl

Anyone hint of the previous sentence before she reply u the below sentence?

scenerio:
I was with a girl and I sms a sbf bro...

me: i know you will bring the gal to hotel lah
sbf bro: dun noe yet
me: troi, a biet e hom nay khi ton tai nao...
the girl beside me add in "ruou nhap cuong dam noi loan "

Originally Posted by retsoor

when it's from you...maybe it's a dubious sentence?

I see words like wine, rape, and rebel/rebellion, but I don't see very clearly late at night. interesting sentence, like the others you posted before

I see the words wine, by heart, rape... but cannot make out the sentence
The gal beside me dunno how to traslate as she only speaks tieng viet.

[jackbl]

I go to vdict to find each words and they joined up to be "Liquor add force dare say disorder".... Meaning asking the sbf bro to Drink liquor to be more daring so that can do messy thing????

Words w/o the signal is difficult to translate if we dun know the language well. Can some of the native speaker help this out? Thanks

Originally Posted by KangTuo

the girl beside me add in "ruou nhap cuong dam noi loan "

[VietnamLover]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

ruou nhap cuong dam noi loan = ???
anyone know what it means?

rượu nhập cưỡng dâm nổi loạn.
Alcohol rapes rebel.

KangTuo, is that woman from South Vietnam?

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by VietnamLover

rượu nhập cưỡng dâm nổi loạn.
Alcohol rapes rebel.

KangTuo, is that woman from South Vietnam?

yes. she is from south.
what would she mean by "Alcohol rapes rebel"...

[VietnamLover]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

yes. she is from south.
what would she mean by "Alcohol rapes rebel"...

I am not really sure what she actually meant. Let me ask my Vietnamese friends for their confirmation.

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

the girl beside me add in "ruou nhap cuong dam noi loan "

sorry for all the trouble... i miss out 1 word

ruou nhap tam cuong dam noi loan

Originally Posted by jackbl

I go to vdict to find each words and they joined up to be "Liquor add force dare say disorder"....

Originally Posted by VietnamLover

rượu nhập cưỡng dâm nổi loạn.
Alcohol rapes rebel.

I also only make it out the meaning word by word...

rượu = alcohol
nhap = ?
tam = ?
cưỡng dâm = to rape; to violate (a girl or woman)
nổi loạn = Rebel, revolt

[Santaclaws]

appreciate if anyone can help me translate this to vietnamese

"without you, i've lost my motivation to learn vietnamese"

thanks

[jackbl]

1. Daily Greeting

Chao e! E khoe kg? An gi chua? Dang lam gi vay?
Hello! How are u? Eat anything already? Wat are u doing?

Other than "CHAO e", you can use:
Xin chao/Chao=Hello
Chao Buoi Sang/Chieu/Toi=Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening

Ngu day chua? An com chua? Doi bung kg?
Wake up already? Eat rice already? Are u hungry?

hom nay em the nao?
how are you today?

anh khoe
I am well.

Anh binh thuong
I m as usual, normal

con em?
And you?

Alo, e dang o dau? Dang lam gi?
Hello, where are u now? What are u doing?

Answers:
o nha = at home
o khach san = at hotel
o cho = at market
o ngoai (duong) = at outside (road)
o chùa = at temple
o cho lam = at working place
o trung tâm buôn bán } shopping centre
o trung tâm thương mại }


Em co nho anh kg? A nho e nhieu lam! May ngay nay kg gap em, a rat buon.
Do u miss me? I miss u alot! These few days didnt meet u, I very sad


2.Wishing Good day/nite

Chuc em ngu ngon! Co giac mo dep!
Wish u good night! Have a nice dream!

Ngu som nhe!
Sleep early!

Dem nay em di ngu di...em se gap anh trong giac mo nhe
Go to sleep this night...you will meet me in your dream

Chuc a 1 ngay moi co that nhieu niem vui, hanh phuc va gap nhieu may man
Wish u a new day have really many joys, happiness and many lucks

3.Time

Toi/Dem nay= Tonight
Hom/Bữa nay= Today
Now= bây giờ, giờ đây, hiện nay, ngày nay

[lovesprout]

Originally Posted by Santaclaws

appreciate if anyone can help me translate this to vietnamese

"without you, i've lost my motivation to learn vietnamese"

thanks

Khong co em thi anh bi mat le de hoc tieng viet nua.

Here, I change "motivation" to "reason (le)".

[jackbl]

This 2 weeks not recommend to go hcmc for tour

Record high flood threatens HCM City
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VietNamNet Bridge – Floods are on the rise, submerging many streets in HCM City since September 21.

Many roads in District 2, District 8, Binh Thanh and Phu Nhuan districts have been flooded up to 40cm depth.

The Hydrometeorology Forecast Station of the Southern Region said that the water level measured at the Phu An station in the Saigon River was 1.40m at 6.30, September 21. Floods are expected exceed 1.42m on September 22 evening, the highest level so far.

The HCM City Flood and Storm Control Steering Board has asked some hydropower plants like Tri An, Thac Mo, Cam Don and Srok Phu Mieng to not discharge water to diminish flood for HCM City.

It is forecast that the flood risk will last until September 23 with peak areas of concern from 4-8am and from 4-7.30pm everyday.

The areas most prone to floods are includes wards in district 12, Thu Duc, Go Vap, Binh Thanh, Binh Chanh, Cu Chi and Hooc Mon districts.

VietNamNet/Tien Phong

[retsoor]

So I post on Facebook

ai đi chơi súng phun nước?

(anyone come to play with waterguns?)
I get a few replies, the best one was this one:

Yes.
Meet u soon.
Time: Oct.
Place: Langkawi.
We'll play with ur gun and water

gotta love girls...so sweet

[jackbl]

Why friends ask “Are you getting any extra benefit?”
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VietNamNet Bridge – Whenever government employees can’t live on their salary, they have to “calculate” and “eat on the sly,” according to readers who shared their opinion on VietNamNet’s forum on administrative reform.

Hundreds of readers have now sent their opinions to VietNamNet ‘s Administrative Reform Forum. Many comment that it is impossible for government employees to support their families by salary alone. The result, they say, is that these officials have to “calculate” and seek every way to compensate for the inadequacy of their pay.

Officials who have worked for the Government a dozen years or more told VietNamNet that they never dare to dream of buying a house or a car on their starvation wages. Others said that it’s obvious that government employees don’t live by their salary, and commented that “many people are willing to pay tens of millions of dong to become a government employee”.

Therefore, renovating procedures by cutting down and simplifying formalities is tantamount to pruning the twigs at the top of the tree (papers), not chopping away at the roots (personnel), analysed reader Phan Bao Lam from HCM City.

Nguyen Duc Hung, a masters degree holder and a government employee in the city of Hai Phong, said that his salary is 1.5 million dong ($85) per month, not enough to support himself. Phong said he is “lucky” because he lives with his parents and doesn’t have a girlfriend, so his living expenses are low.

To survive as virtuous government employees, young people like Hung have to ask for support from their parents. If they want to get married and build their own house, they have to spend their parents’ money or they have to “calculate”.

Reader Toan Thang from the northern mountainous province of Lang Son complained: “I’m a top official of a ward in Lang Son City. I have 10 years of experience but my salary is only 1.6 million dong ($90). How can I live on that pay in this current situation?”

Many readers frankly said that they want to work for state agencies to have stable jobs but to earn their living, they have to “calculate.”

Reader Bui Quang Anh from Tuyen Quang province, who worked for nine years as a government employee, said that because of low salary, government employees have to “calculate.” Where they can “calculate”? The answer is from administrative procedures.

Quang wrote: “The more cumbersome procedures are and the more people that are involved in them, the better it is for officials. If a task can be accomplished in one day by only one employee, but he is allowed five days to do it, he can leave it for five days while investing the time in seeking money for themselves.”

“I think the state needs to have a proper mechanism for government employees so they can support their families by their salary so they don’t have to ‘calculate’. Freed from the need to ‘calculate’, they will focus their mind on the job instead of harassing or raising difficulties for the people,” Quang added.

Prevent administrative formalities from becoming a “source of benefit”

Many readers wrote that the state is paying starvation wages to its employees, which starves virtuous officials while others “calculate,” resulting in broken rules.

Hoang Son from the central province of Thanh Hoa, who quit his prestigious by ill-paid job as a university lecturer to go into business, suggested: “We must immediately reconsider the way we appoint government employees. Only skilled and energetic people should become officials.”

Son called the current state machinery “cumbersome. It must be narrowed and streamlined so the state has enough funds to pay alaries appropriate for capable government employees.”

“Administrative formalities are not to blame. The problem is the people who manage them,” Nguyen Duc Vinh from Hanoi analysed.

He said the first objective should be renovating man’s nature, choosing worthy government employees, and paying them a decent salary.

Reader Nguyen Thong Long wrote: “We’ll know that the problem of ‘administrative formalities’ has been solved when the relatives and friends of government employees no longer ask them ‘do you have any extra benefit from that job?’ Then we can be assured that government employees can live well enough on their salary and their thoughts will incline to the public benefit. While they are hungry, they must try to eat on the sly.”

When the day comes that government employees no longer consider administrative formalities as a “tool” to earn money, they will seek to simplify them, Son added.

Nguyen Trieu Dan from Gia Lam district, Hanoi complained: “We must streamline the system of government employment. At my office, officials sip tea from morning to noon. After lunch, they sleep until 2-3 pm”.

Many readers pointed out that all government employees complain that they are paid starvation wages but a few of them quit their jobs.

“Many people try to hold their position at state agencies to have untaxing jobs, wait for promotions and to harass the people,” write Nguyen Hung from the Czech Republic.

A reader signing himself ‘patriot_vn’ from HCM City wrote that most government employees have never lived by their wages because each of them springs from a privileged class in society.

Thus, it is difficult to trim away any formalities because one immediately bumps against the “roots.”

As the man in charge of the reform effort, Nguyen Xuan Phuc, chief of the Prime Minister’s Office, put it, “Formalities may be reduced but if government officials still harass the people, the people will still suffer.”

Le Nhung

[Spectrum17]

Originally Posted by jackbl

2.Wishing Good day/nite

Chuc em ngu ngon! Co giac mo dep!
Wish u good night! Have a nice dream!

Ngu som nhe!
Sleep early!

Dem nay em di ngu di...em se gap anh trong giac mo nhe
Go to sleep this night...you will meet me in your dream

Chuc a 1 ngay moi co that nhieu niem vui, hanh phuc va gap nhieu may man
Wish u a new day have really many joys, happiness and many lucks

Bro jackbl. Thanks man!! Please keep posting. I believe many bros will find this helpful. I am going to use this tonight!!
!&!!

[jackbl]

Vietnam has much to teach the world
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In Vietnam, history is used as a reminder of why Vietnamese should be proud of their independence and that their destiny lies in their own hands.


It might be possible to live in a country for three years, spend all your time thinking about it, and not be affected by the place. Some expats do - they float above the country, observing it dispassionately. But I've not found that possible for me. And in the case of my posting to Vietnam, it has been impossible. Living in Vietnam has changed me and my perspectives in a way that I know will enrich my professional and family life.

As many other British expats will tell you, coming to work in Vietnam requires you to completely change your working style. In the UK, we approach many business issues via logic and analysis. When we finally get a meeting with someone very senior at which we can put forward our case, we need to be conscious of that senior person's limited time and set out our objectives and our business case very quickly. In Vietnam, I had to turn this approach on its head. To dive straight into business without first talking about issues of family, weather, how I am adjusting to life in Vietnam would be considered rude. Instead, I had to start focusing on the important elements of a personal relationship.

And this taught me a hugely valuable professional lesson. In any negotiation, you need to know where the other person is coming from, what makes them tick and what their key interests are. That way, it will be easier to find a mutually beneficial solution to any business problem. By taking time - as the Vietnamese do - to understand the person across the table from me rather than just focusing on the overwhelming logic of my case, I know I will be a better negotiator. I learned this from those Vietnamese I worked with. I had the honor of working with some extremely professional and clever officials and they taught me so much - if they read this, they will know who they are!

Thanh Nien told me they were interested in whether I thought Vietnam had anything to teach the rest of the world. I would say yes, without hesitation. I'd highlight two things. The first is how to wear a difficult history. Many tourists visit - as I did in 1998 - and come away amazed at how little bitterness there seems to be towards nations who have fought against Vietnam. Living in Vietnam has allowed me to understand more about this. The Vietnamese wear their history very well. Unlike in some other nations, it is not usually used as an excuse for the shortcomings of a government or society, as an opt-out clause for not taking charge of their own destiny. It is used as a reminder of why Vietnamese should be proud of their independence and that their destiny lies in their own hands.

The second thing Vietnam could spread to the world is the passion Vietnamese have for self-improvement. Everyone is striving to make their tomorrow and that of their kids’ better than theirs today. That means everyone is doing something to upgrade their skills, taking charge of their own future rather than sitting around and waiting for something to be handed to them. There are many people in highly developed countries - including my own - who could learn from this approach, to the benefit of themselves and of society as a whole.

What are my hopes for Vietnam's future? I think the most interesting challenge for Vietnam will be how to promote and harness the creativity and dynamism of the people, keeping opportunities for betterment and for achievement open to all. Achieving this will require courage and far-sightedness and a commitment to allowing circulation of ideas and innovation. But if they do, and given the other amazing resources Vietnam has, I'm really confident that I will see Vietnam's prosperity and international standing grow yet further.

And finally, what will I remember most about Vietnam? The smell of bun cha, the sheer noise created when my Vietnamese friends get together for lunch, my friends' senses of humor as they gently tease each other, and me! The chaos and the noise and the ingenuity of Vietnamese people finding their own solutions to everyday problems - many of them involving hair-raising levels of risk to my "health and safety conscious" European eyes. The ease with which I could strike up a conversation with anyone I met, a conversation that was bound at some point to end up in smiles and laughter. Yes, Vietnam changed me, and for the better!

By Kara Owen*

*Kara Owen is deputy head of the UK mission in Vietnam 2006-2009.