SAF armoured vehicles(Terrex) detained in Hong Kong port

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by SiaSuay

No need to understand. He just talking to confuse the general public even more . This will really test Singapore government's foreign policy towards the One China Policy . Looks like China is showing who is boss . Lets see how our government solve this problem .

It's not one China policy issue la
Garbagement is boji wan.
They don't dare treat Taiwan better than how other countries treat Taiwan. There's no Taiwan embassy in spore. N in international conferences, when prc bully Taiwan, spore do nothing also

Garbagement specialise in bullying their own ppl. When they get bullied they lanlan n grovel

This is obviously something else.
Spore offended Prc so they're punished
Now Prc is saying 'So you need a favour from me? You go self examine first la. N decide whether I should help u.
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Exchange points need self examine ma

[arsenal168]

Originally Posted by comm

China newspaper already kan us big time....our side still say good friends and long term partners will have disagreements from time to time...

Jialat la....why like tht

I find it a bit sad...

I think our leaders got carried away n forgot we r just a little red dot & talk like we r the leader n representation of ASEAN, telling USA to continue her effort to contain China & surely many ASEAN members will support USA.

Now got slapped big time by China.

Yet Vivian trying to save "face" by saying how good a relationship we have with PRC when they spit right into our government's face.

Damn sia suay.

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by skyleon

Singapore troop carriers should be 'melted down': The Global Times

Published: 12:54 PM, November 29, 2016

Updated: 2:24 PM, November 29, 2016



BEIJING — Armoured troop carriers belonging to Singapore and currently impounded in Hong Kong should be "melted down", China's influential state-run tabloid the Global Times said on Tuesday (Nov 29), in its second swipe at the island nation in two days.

The nine troop carriers were impounded in Hong Kong last week en route back from Taiwan, sparking a rebuke to Singapore from China about maintaining military ties with self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing considers a breakaway province.

Ties between China and Singapore have been strained in recent months, particularly over the disputed South China Sea, where Beijing, which claims most of the waters, suspects Singapore of siding with the United States.

Beijing has accused Washington of deliberately creating tension by sailing its ships close to China's islands.

The Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, blasted Singapore's "carelessness" with the armoured vehicles, which it said reflected a failure to take seriously China's displeasure over its military relationship with Taiwan.

"Singapore's image in China is now so rotten that ordinary Chinese people think the best thing to do with the 'confiscated' armoured vehicles that 'walked right into our trap' is to send them to the steel mills to be melted down," it said.

The editorial, published in the paper's Chinese language edition, whose website attracts millions of visitors every day, adopts a similarly strident tone to a Monday commentary in its much less read English edition, accusing Singapore of "hypocrisy".

Singapore should use this "interlude" in its relations with China to find "enlightenment" rather than to provoke more resentment, it added.

"All incidents have causes — to grasp and understand them is always wise," the editorial said.


continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/chinaindi...n-global-times

Clap clap clap!

Fucking well said. Even a propaganda rag in China writes better than rubbish spore media.

And stupid garbagement still thinks the seizure is because they never declare.


They should melt the 9 vehicles n use the metal to make an iron dildo. N geng shuang aka more shiok will present the dildo to the son n he lalan must forced to accept. Maybe when albino see it he'll use it to stir his oatmeal in front of his father
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[sadfa]

Originally Posted by arsenal168

Minister won't resign la...some lower rung officers will become the scapegoats n take the rap.

The more garbagement refuse to accept responsibility like sacking khaw n the more they attack wp n low, the more ppl see through them for the assholes they are
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Exchange points got take responsibility ma

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by arsenal168

Can some1 help interpret what is our Foreign minister trying to say? I catch no ball...

Once again this forum needs my post to set the standards.

Cb Vivian is blaming the shippers for not complying with the law which means it's their fault. Sounds absurd. They doing this so long they don't know meh

And if Vivian continue talking his cock n don't deal head on with Chinas issues, n think they can seek justice in Hong Kong courts, confirm they'll get fucked
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Exchange points got set standards ma

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by skyleon

Singapore to exercise ‘full rights’ in recovering armoured carriers: Defence Minister


By Justin Ong
Posted 29 Nov 2016 14:22
Updated 29 Nov 2016 14:30


SINGAPORE: Singapore will exercise its “full rights” in recovering the armoured vehicles that were seized by Hong Kong customs authorities, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said on Tuesday (Nov 29).

Shipping contractor APL will meet Hong Kong authorities later on Tuesday to discuss the matter, Dr Ng said. The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) are closely monitoring the outcome of the meeting and will decide on “an appropriate course of action” afterwards, he said.

“After this meeting, the reasons and legal basis for detention will be made clear. We have to wait for the outcome of the meeting.

“MINDEF (Ministry of Defence) and the Singapore Government will then commence proceedings to recover assets. We aim to comply with all regulations and then exercise our full rights in recovering our assets," Dr Ng said, speaking after a MINDEF event.

The nine SAF Terrex Infantry Carrier Vehicles (ICVs) have been impounded in Hong Kong since last Wednesday, when they were being shipped back to Singapore from Taiwan after being deployed in overseas training exercises.

"WE SHOULD NOT IMPUTE MOTIVES": NG

A Chinese spokesman on Monday stated China's opposition to countries having "any form of official exchanges with the Taiwan region, including military exchanges and cooperation".


continue reading here : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...d/3327110.html


So what happens if China do not want to release the vehicles ? What will Singapore do ?

This cb hen dumb like shit

They expect to know the reasons for seizure n go Hong Kong court to seek justice.

Fuck! Obviously Hong Kong court will bend over backwards to support .......... Hong Kong la!!!! Even if they come up with dumb reasons, they'll say seizure 100% justified.

Stupid spore thinks they're the only ones who can use the countrys system to fix ppl?

Damn idiots. Still think the whole world is like spore n do things by the book
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Exchange points by the book ma

[arsenal168]

Originally Posted by sadfa

Once again this forum needs my post to set the standards.

Cb Vivian is blaming the shippers for not complying with the law which means it's their fault. Sounds absurd. They doing this so long they don't know meh

And if Vivian continue talking his cock n don't deal head on with Chinas issues, n think they can seek justice in Hong Kong courts, confirm they'll get fucked
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Exchange points got set standards ma

Something like that...😁😁😁

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by arsenal168

My view is that PRC will release the vehicles eventually.

They have already achieved their goal of teaching Singapore government a lesson, 下马威了.

They won't go as far as confiscating the vehicles.

They just want Singapore leaders to 好自为知.

Vivian is like talking to himself 自欺欺人😒

I see u improved n learnt something from me. But u need to work hard to match me.

China will return the vehicles la.
If not there'll b an international incident. In the meantime China will lecture spore n teach them a lesson

But before that, theyll rip it apart n attach it back so sloppily to make it clear to dumb spore that they dismantled it. Maybe they'll shit in the engine n fuel tank to show Wat they are capable of.

It's difficult to see wats Chinas endgame here.

Even if spore pull out of Taiwan totally it WONT affect Taiwan. And it WONT affect bilateral ties of spore n Taiwan

As for cb Vivian, spore got no transparency. So Wat they do behind the scenes to China n piss off China, sporeans don't know.

That's why garbagement tell sporeans don't speculate. Cos they don't want sporeans to know they fuck things up. And that's why when China talk, sporeans don't really understand
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[arsenal168]

Originally Posted by sadfa

I see u improved n learnt something from me. But u need to work hard to match me.

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Exchange points got improve ma

Who can match your funny vibes/jibes la? 😆👏

[skyleon]

SAF vehicle seizure: Use of shipping lines by militaries the norm in peacetime, says Ng Eng Hen

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Published 5 hours ago


Singapore has preferred this for decades as it is the most cost-effective and efficient method of transport

Royston Sim

Assistant Political Editor


Singapore has used commercial shipping lines to transport military vehicles and equipment overseas for decades as that is the most cost-effective and efficient method, said Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen yesterday.

It is the norm for militaries to use commercial carriers to ship equipment or vehicles for peacetime training. Many defence companies also do it to deliver hardware to customers or for exhibition displays, he added.

"Only commercial carriers and their vast network of inter-connected ships and ports have the capability to transport heavy vehicles around the globe," Dr Ng told reporters during a visit to Choa Chu Kang military camp.

He was addressing the detention of nine Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) armoured vehicles in a Hong Kong port.

The Terrex Infantry Carrier Vehicles and other equipment were being taken on an APL vessel from Taiwan to Singapore after a military exercise, when they were seized last Wednesday.
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Only commercial carriers and their vast network of interconnected ships and ports have the capability to transport heavy vehicles around the globe.

DR NG, on why commercial shipping lines have been used to transport military vehicles and equipment overseas for decades.


REFRAIN FROM SPECULATION

Until the facts are established, any speculation is premature, unwarranted and I think indeed unfair to the Hong Kong authorities or any other countries.

DR NG, on not speculating about why the armoured vehicles were detained.
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Before the incident, the SAF has not "suffered any loss or detention of our equipment", Dr Ng said.

The SAF conducts overseas training in about a dozen territories abroad, including the US, Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan.

Asked if there were concerns of any sensitive information on the Terrex vehicles that might have been compromised, Dr Ng said the vehicles did not contain any controlled military items that would require a specialised and dedicated means of transport.

In a separate interview yesterday, Chief of Army Melvyn Ong also said the APL shipment did not have any sensitive equipment or ammunition - only combat vehicles, radios and small arms.


continue reading here : http://www.straitstimes.com/singapor...cetime-eng-hen

Now hen say cannot speculate and talk about this issue ? Scare people will expose their mistake ? Why is China seizing the vehicles now and not before ? Why are you blaming the shipper ? So now China is fixing Singapore .

[skyleon]

Singapore won’t let deep ties with China be derailed by a single issue: Vivian

By


Tan Weizhen

Published: 11:55 AM, November 29, 2016

Updated: 7:59 AM, November 30, 2016



SINGAPORE — Singapore will not allow its deep and wide-ranging relationship with China to be hijacked by a single issue, Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan said on Tuesday (Nov 29).

He was responding to a question on the impact on bilateral ties from Hong Kong Customs’ seizure of nine armoured vehicles belonging to the Singapore Armed Forces and en route back from military training in Taiwan — for which Beijing has made representations to the Republic.

Dr Balakrishnan, who was speaking at a forum organised by The Straits Times, did not mention the South China Sea or Singapore’s military training in Taiwan directly in his comments. But he told the audience that there will be differences in perspective between China and Singapore from time to time “because we are such close and long-term friends”.

“To put things in perspective, we have a long-standing, multi-faceted, mutually beneficial relationship, and because it’s long-standing, if you are truly close, there will be from time to time things we will disagree (on),” he said. “Don’t let single incidents or even long-standing differences in perspective get in the way of a very important, fundamental account, which is what the relationship between China and Singapore is.”

Dr Balakrishnan also urged against overreaction to the incident, when asked what the way out was.

“All I would say is we expect commercial providers to strictly comply with the law. We expect the law to take its course,” he added.

Following Hong Kong’s detention of the SAF’s nine Terrex Infantry Carrier Vehicles last week, Beijing made representations to Singapore and called on the Republic to adhere to the One-China policy, reiterating that the Chinese government opposes countries that have diplomatic ties with it to have “any form of official exchanges with Taiwan, including military exchanges and cooperation”.

Dr Balakrishnan said on Tuesday that Singapore has remained consistent and transparent, even though different perspectives will emerge over specific issues from time to time.

“When that happens, our belief is that it’s better to be upfront, and be honest about it and do it in a non-provocative way, and honestly at the most senior levels and at the leadership levels, there’s a deep appreciation that this is a long and wide-ranging relationship, and we will not allow any single issue to hijack it,” he added.

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen also took questions on the incident at a separate event on Tuesday.


continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...d-single-issue

[SiaSuay]

Originally Posted by sadfa

I see u improved n learnt something from me. But u need to work hard to match me.

China will return the vehicles la.
If not there'll b an international incident. In the meantime China will lecture spore n teach them a lesson

But before that, theyll rip it apart n attach it back so sloppily to make it clear to dumb spore that they dismantled it. Maybe they'll shit in the engine n fuel tank to show Wat they are capable of.

It's difficult to see wats Chinas endgame here.

Even if spore pull out of Taiwan totally it WONT affect Taiwan. And it WONT affect bilateral ties of spore n Taiwan

As for cb Vivian, spore got no transparency. So Wat they do behind the scenes to China n piss off China, sporeans don't know.

That's why garbagement tell sporeans don't speculate. Cos they don't want sporeans to know they fuck things up. And that's why when China talk, sporeans don't really understand
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Now Ah Hen said cannot talk about it . My questions here is why cannot talk about it ? Seriously something MUST be wrong enough for China to seized the military hardware . If this training in Taiwan has been going on for a long time why did the Chinese ( PRC ) not bring it up earlier ? also Ah Hen said that the shipping is also a routine assignment. So how can this still happen ? There is something that our government is not telling us . Talk about transparency .

[SiaSuay]

Originally Posted by sadfa

This cb hen dumb like shit

They expect to know the reasons for seizure n go Hong Kong court to seek justice.

Fuck! Obviously Hong Kong court will bend over backwards to support .......... Hong Kong la!!!! Even if they come up with dumb reasons, they'll say seizure 100% justified.

Stupid spore thinks they're the only ones who can use the countrys system to fix ppl?

Damn idiots. Still think the whole world is like spore n do things by the book
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Exchange points by the book ma

This you are wrong . The Hong Kong courts will bend over to support Beijing . They will follow the instructions of their Beijing masters .

[localla]

veri interesting thread,thk ts. leon

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by SiaSuay

This you are wrong . The Hong Kong courts will bend over to support Beijing . They will follow the instructions of their Beijing masters .

Me wrong. Fuckin impossible.
U might as well say garbagement is worth Wat they're paid.

In the court case it'll b spore n shippers vs Hong Kong government . China not in the picture but they call the shots no doubt

And I won't be surprised China deliberately catch them in hk not xiamen. Cos spore will complain China court not transparent if seized in xiamen

So xi da da say nvm.
We let u fight in hk since u love English law so much.
U can hire your team of qc for million dollars. At the end garbagement will still lose
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