Hanoi

[Freestyler69]

HI bros and sigus,

I'll be staying at Sofitel for biz and would like to stay an exyra night in Hanoi for pleasure, could anyone recommend a gal friendly hotel who can offer a room with balcony?

I have heard about Fortuna hotel, any other suggestion?

Thx

[TroutFisher79]

Originally Posted by cheongnewb

I went to Oasis last week. The charges for use of the facilities + massage was 170K. Not sure whether that is more expensive or cheaper than other places as I'm relatively new here. The facilities were OK to me, not fantastic but not too bad. The massage is in a private room with a table, but there is a window.

The girl I had was quite good looking but attitude wise not so good, also looked quite bored and also kept sniffling! (Any chance it's the same girl?) Asked for 300K tips for HJ. I nego-ed to 250K, but after that the whole time she just black face.

This is what I am afraid of happening to me too. So far of course Sakura is the best attitude and friendliness, at Cat Linh. But I was hoping to find someplace similar to this, with regards to services. Pretty girls, good massages and VIP rooms.

I dislike karaoke clubs and night clubs and want to wind down after long work days in Hanoi at the sauna. They are much less trouble for me! I only hope to find one other than Sakura that I like.

[cheongnewb]

Originally Posted by TroutFisher79

This is what I am afraid of happening to me too. So far of course Sakura is the best attitude and friendliness, at Cat Linh. But I was hoping to find someplace similar to this, with regards to services. Pretty girls, good massages and VIP rooms.

I dislike karaoke clubs and night clubs and want to wind down after long work days in Hanoi at the sauna. They are much less trouble for me! I only hope to find one other than Sakura that I like.

I see. How much was the price the last time you went to Sakura? Are the facilities good?

[Seize the day]

Originally Posted by Freestyler69

What's this bar about? Just party,see and be seen type or with some WLs?

Its a sit down bar, with live singer and dance performances. Not the sleazy kind but maybe you could score some with the waitresses ; )

[Kualalumpur]

Originally Posted by retsoor

After years of intensive study @ sammyboyforum, having progressed through the distinguished ranks of con gai viet, I am finally about to seduce an upper-middle class girl.

Her father has a nice car, brother has a good job...in brief, pillars of society. The type of people who usually do not at all like that their goodlooking, tall young daughter goes out with foreigners.

Well I keep my fingers crossed, I know I am almost there.

In hell ?

I have experience with the "high high" class girls in Viet Nam. Official working with huge salary ( about 20x the standard Viet Nam salary), her parents wealthy like crazy. Several houses, bmw cars with drivers, the house in Nha Trang, the other one in Sa Pa, a couple in Saigon, etc... She was gorgeous, well educated, had 1 daughter from a previous wedding ( and divorce, because her husband was mongering whilst she was pregnant blabla) with someone who has been a minister.

I have lived with her for a year and a half, she was out of reach at first, then we made concrete decision to engage, and wedding. I visited her family with my family to make the details for the wedding, I was very welcome by all her family and friends. I was disturbed by her friends though because they were similarly wealthy, gorgeous, well educated, high salary. Their acts were borderline, some were married and had another boyfriends and so on.

She was going to Saigon for official meetings, to Australia and to Japan to prepare some big contracts.

Sometimes I complained, because I did not understand enough vietnamese, but her handphone was full of professionnal contacts, including T.Y. ( according to her a cousin or later I found "Tinh Yeu...") that was calling a lot, and another "A." ( anh, maybe to make difference).

2 days after my request for the wedding, accepted, I visited by surprise her parent's house, to bring quite a lot of presents. A half vietnamese half australian went out, and we discussed a little bit, as I am westener. I felt something fishy, I did not mention too much, but he was sad because her family forced her to marry an asshole. She was engaged with this man for 6 years, made him suffer like hell, had another boyfriend too in Japan, but he loved her so much, and at last for the last 2 years or so ( Japan byebye, carrot hello !), they made projects, she was coming to see him a lot in Australia, and in Saigon when he was in Vietnam, and he was very happy that even if she has to marry, it is a fake wedding, and she will escape to stay with him. I will not tell the complete story, it is very, very long, but that's where I learned really about the lies of women.

I went to her parent house, they welcomed me as usual. The huge roses he brought were on the table, a letter with her name ( closed), and a box from a very expensive jeweler. I asked her parents, that's was a family viet khieu "ong" from Saigon that brought that to her, as he always does for many years, etc... My flowers from 2 days before, in the kitchen hidden.

The whole fuckin'freaking family being a band of liars with big smiles, their happiness to have me as a son in law soon, that I care of her daughter too. The former husband was so bad, drunk, karaoke, many prostittues without condoms, maybe could give to their daughter bad diseases, he had lots of girlfriends, etc... They could not guess, because he was high rank, wealthy, well educated, but a real bastard.

Her friends and relatives were quite strange, enjoying going with foreigner boyfriends, many different ones, but my ex-future-wife always complained that they are not serious ( and I remind, money was not a problem for them, they just wanted to show off with foreigners and have fun !).

A lot of comments, the boyfriend of that one offered to her a motorbike, why I did not do that for her? ("Cheap man" story, but higher level! She could buy 100 Piaggio next day by herself if she wish). Wealthy people want to show it, and if you engage like that, it is expensive restaurants ( not yet, but if it becomes more serious), expensive gifts, and compete with her friend's boyfriends. Very bad thinkings.

I tried to control her for a couple of weeks, not allowing her to go to Saigon without me, etc... but she always found a way to escape. Then I told her the truth, that I was aware about that. "That's her private" she replied, and I told her that a family is like this like that, not many men all around and a stupid husband.

She took her belt, fling it and broke my nose with the metal closure. Then she cried that I am selfish, the westeners must understand, it is like that in the west and the USA, look the films, the woman have boyfriends and it is normal, I hate her daughter for sure if I do not want the wedding anymore, I am a killer, I have no hearth, I want to destroy her life...

I let her crying, and left (to Bach Mai french hospital, nose still bleeding like crazy).

Just to warn you, sometimes people in Viet Nam have money because they are very fake, and very corrupt, and I think a karaoke girl would not have made as much damage as that girl.

I made a depression for 6 months after that, went down, and up again, but it has been very hard.

Life in Viet Nam is not easy, and the wealthy people can be honnest, or many times their brain can be just be like the karaoke girl next brothel, but so bad thinking that they could catch more money than the countryside karakoke prostitute. Beautiful outside and completely rotten to the bone.

So be careful bro with your "middle-high class girl", and watch everything. Before being engaged too much, think about the origin of the family money, if they are wealthy compared to their income, more, less... If you do not have the reply about the money question, drop the case.

A small detail, too many sms, something unexplainable, and you must run away, no explanations, no thinkings. They can be more terrible than the poor countryside girl, and all her friends were of the same type, makes quite a few in Hanoi already.

A year later, I met by chance her stupid, drunk, alcoholic, sex-addict husband. We had a discussion, and he found the same problems as me, but when she was already married with him, and 5 months pregnant.

She had 1 boyfriend ( vietnamese), beating her husband every evening, screaming, shouting at him, locking the house door so he had to sleep at the hotel. He was not drunk, sex addict, or otherwise. She divorced when her child was 2 months old. She did not ask much money to the husband, she had a "sample" from the other powerful family with her child, no need for the money, power was enough. With that children, she could do whatever she wants in Viet Nam, ask anything, it would be granted. Supreme power. The children cared for by her parents, so no hassle for her, 1 bonk, few hours in the hospital, and fake with friends that she loves her child, care, etc...

Other than that, all people who have seen her admit she is "gorgeous, wonderful, well-educated", and if you meet her, you would fall in love immediately.

[Crex]

Field Report from Lang Ha street Hanoi:

Long time lurker, finally getting around to posting. First, thanks to all of gents who have spent the time and the Dong to figure out the best options! Hopefully I can contribute a bit. I've been to about 20MP, 3-4 karaoke, and 3-4 hot toc joints in HN and HCMC and will try to report on all, but I have to go around and collect the addresses. I will be doing that over the next week or two once I return to Hanoi. I usually just stumble upon a new spot, or ask a xe om driver " Anh biet massa tot o dau"?

Do you guys prefer I update this post with all of my Hanoi experiences, about 12 places, or do new posts for each one?

I generally go to locations away from the center. I speak a little Vietnamese, and prefer the more local places vs. the nicer tourist focused ones.

My first, and one of my favorites is 101 Lang Ha. It is next to the Thang Cong Hotel, and doesn't have a name that I remember. There is a lit sign for Sauna/Massage that is easy to see from Lang Ha. Walk about 50 meters towards the hotel and you will see the entrance on your left.

Address: 101 Lang Ha
Price: 80k massage, 100k w/ sauna
Tip: Started at $20 (HA), down to 200k the first time, 150k the second time.

Sauna quality is low, so I would skip that. The massage has been decent, but not great. What I go back for are the amenable ladies. Both times they didn't hardball the negotiation, no problems AR, and gave very quality HJ. The first one really enjoyed herself, and I had two fingers in about as deep as they would go. She begged for my number later, and I see her occasionally. The second one was more subdued, but we still had a great time, and she has great tits.

Both times they seemed very nervous about watching the door, which has a bit of a clear opening, but I just waited until about halfway through, and then things started opening up for me.

She also wanted my number, and no problem going out to play.

I post more about Hanoi next week after I get the addresses, but I will also start a thread for HCMC in that forum later today.

[Bobster]

Halo Bros,

I am in Hang Phen Street, any place near this place for great massage plus special, would appreciate your advise, many thanks.

[condor]

hi kualalumpur,

your story are similar to my bro in law.
he is an aussie who use to work in haiphong, get to know a gal working in the same hotel. beginning she was gal from heaven, nice manners and insist on calling his parents once every few day and would treat my bro in law like king.

in less than 6 mths, she propose to him to married in australia. he quit his job and move back to aust with her to start a new family.
the first 2 years was great! the problem come the 3rd year when she finally got her first daughter and aust resident.
she begin to chat online and miggel ard with the aussie viet friends.
she trusted her aust viet friends more than my bro in law and his family. she would ask him to lend money to her friends and of coz , most never return and would disppear. she forbid my bro in law to visit his family even though it is 10 minutes drive. she forbid his family to visit her daughter.
persuade my bro inlaw to buy expensive car, jewellery, luxury goods for herself.
Now they are divorce and she disappear somewhere along mel, sidney area.
bringing with her 2 kids.

maybe both these are raw cases. but i had more friends who are in similar position.

cheongster bros be careful what u play with. as far as i now, viet gals are as cunning n smart as some china MMs.

[retsoor]

Originally Posted by Kualalumpur

In hell ?

...

Just to warn you, sometimes people in Viet Nam have money because they are very fake, and very corrupt, and I think a karaoke girl would not have made as much damage as that girl.

I made a depression for 6 months after that, went down, and up again, but it has been very hard.

...

ouch.

you have my heartfelt sympathy.

I very much appreciate your warning. I've been travelling the last 2 weeks, thinking a lot, and I also started to realise this is a game which can easily get out of control.

To a certain degree, it already is, as far as I am concerned. Anyway I will try to be careful...

[Pink_Flyod]

The moral lesson is taobao as you go... involving emotion might not be a good thing to cheong in Vietnam.

[Sneaky Tom]

FR Hanoi Hotel KTV
My first post here. I’ve noticed a lack of FR’s lately, just a bunch of sad sob stories. Where’s the fun gone?

Went to check out Hanoi Hotel KTV on a Monday night. For anyone new to Hanoi http://www.hanoihotel.com.vn/5/products.aspx I haven’t been there for about 2 years. Arrived 10.30pm. About 10 girls waiting in the small area before the entrance. None of them caught my eye for beauty. I entered and the door girl asked if I wanted a bar seat or a lounge seat. I opted for lounge seat, close to the bar to observe any traffic. The place is dead. Maybe about 3 other guys in the main area. I could hear the karaoke rooms in the side alleys pumping though.

I was quickly approached by a waiter with drinks menu and he asked if I wanted a girl for company. I slip him 20,000 dong and ask him about 20 questions. I quickly established girl was $32 to sit (non negotiable), tip up to you, can swap girls for free with-in the first 15 mins, all girls are available for takeout fuck. Prices have risen dramatically and so there are no more customers, not many girls and no more tips for him. He has excellent English. I ordered a drink and asked for mama san.

I told mama san I want a young girl, tall girl and can speak some English. I get the usual 10 girl line up with torch. I pick the best one available as I am told there is no more to look at.

I began with the usual greetings, Xin chao em, ten em la gi etc etc. After 10 minutes of auto roaming and joking around I ask my girl if she is available LT for takeout tonight. She answers “No I cannot, it’s my friend’s birthday”. I reply to her with my usual “aahh, it’s your friend’s birthday, your mother died, your father is sick etc”

I call mama and swap her out. I tell mama I’m looking for LT only girls takeout. Pick another one and fun begins. About 11pm 2 bikini babes do some table top dancing for about 10 minutes. Totally boring. The place lacks atmosphere and there are no extra girls to flirt with. It would appear that there are only about 30 girls in here, but I am told all the KTV rooms are booked and the girls are all in the rooms. This is not true as I only saw 2 people come out of the KTV rooms to use the toilet.

At 11.30pm the band stops playing and the lights turn on. Girl and mama explain she will wait for me at the hotel cafe and get a taxi from its side entrance. Paid the bill $32 + drinks. Mama say’s goodbye on my way out, doesn’t ask for anything unlike the pesky mama’s at the Boss.
Meet girl outside and get in taxi. When I explain to the taxi driver my address the girl gets all excited. At this stage there has been no discussion about pricing.

Once I get home she visits the bathroom to clean up. She comes back and turns all the lights off. I turn them back on. Start with a little foreplay but will not kiss on the lips. I take off my pants and motion toward a BBBJ. She is very reluctant, keeps wanting to put on the condom. I say no and insist on BBBJ, last about 2 minutes 6/10. Put on the condom and the sex begins. Hammered her in all positions for about 1 solid hour. Twice the condom that she supplied broke even with lube and so I had to put on a new one. She was talking and repeating some Vietnamese words that even I don’t understand. When it was her time to ride me she was quite good. Her whole body spasming on my shaft. As I was getting ready to blow the 3rd condom broke again. I was beyond the point of no return and dumped my load inside her. When I showed her the condom had broke she ran to the bathroom nearly crying and to wash herself out. I decided ST would be better than LT now as she was getting dressed again. Paid her $40 and 100,000 for the taxi and called taxi to come here. As always she asked for more, but I explained I wanted LT, and her low quality condoms had ruined the evening. I said maybe next time we can discuss something more. She was happy. She gave me her phone number and left.

Overall I wouldn’t go back to Hanoi Hotel. Not many girls, boring entertainment and expensive compared to other local options. If you are looking for this type of experience and don’t mind paying the money like me, then choose the Boss KTV at Fortuna. Similar pricing, more more girls, better entertainment, and you can flirt with others girls throughout the night.

Lesson. Don’t trust local condoms. I did have my own that I stock when travelling through Singapore but they were on another level of my house so we used hers. Use a quality brand preferably purchased outside Vietnam.

[condor]

would like to post a good massage joint for bros who stay tay ho area, sheraton hotel etc.

the name of massage joint: Co so Tam Hoi xoa Bop.
Road: 98 D To Ngoc Van, Quang ba.( i think near the BBS shop).

type of operation: traditional thai massage( i travel to thai monthly, their massage is better than the Thai).
massage gal: toa.
age: 20.
massage strength: 9/10
massage skill: 9/10( it crack every part of my bone, step on your back and use it tip of the toe to crack your back, the way it can menuver my body is exceptional, i am about 80kg muscular man).
look: 7/10( on the in and out i saw many gals fall in the category of 4-6)
special: no, anyway, i din ask for it. but she tickle me more than i tickle her.

damage: 80VND for massage, and i tip 100k.
additional comment: i saw many local in the massage joint, it operation is similar to La thang hotel.

: i cannot gurantee everybody will get the same treatment as it depend on your luck and ability to communicate in viet.

toi, com tay noi teng viet.
( speak no viet).

enjoy!

tomorrow , i will get my motorbike and recce the BBS at NGOC Van.

[condor]

i got my motorbike and recce around west lake. below are my new findings:

the name of massage joint: Rose VIP massage.( it is inside Tay Ho resort, west lake).

i pay USD10 for 1 hr massage and was lead into the room. was surprise to find that there are sauna, steam bath and a jacuzzi inside the massage room. similar to La thanh hotel but, upgrade to VIP style.


massage gal: thuy
age: 30. but i saw younger ones around.
massage strength: 7/10
massage skill: 9/10( it crack every part of my bone, step on your back and use it tip of the toe to crack your back, the way it can menuver my body is exceptional, i am about 80kg muscular man). --- as good massage skill as my previous day.
look: 5/10
special: yes, coz her boobs are at least C cup . while she stroking my did, i drab her booby . its quite handful!

damage: 10USD for 1hr good massage, and i tip 200k for special.
for bros who stay in sheraton, it is about 5 minutes by taxi or motorbike.

[condor]

My objective was to locate the BBS places for other cheongsters looking for affordable ST in Hanoi and operating without a local “guide” or senior brother because no one is available at hand to help.

The result is that I did not determine prices as posted nor check out the quality of the girls. It was also quite early at 2pm and I did not think the best talents would be on show as at that time. The FR that I got the lead from mentioned very young talent shown to him.

My take is that if a foreigner came without speaking Vietnamese, those prices would be valid. Going by what was being charged in Doson, my own belief is that prices should be somewhere in the region of 150,00 to 300,000 for ST maximum.

Perhaps a Viet speaking “cheongster” will be able to verify my “speculation”. I am sure, bro Deptrai4 & other seniors knows this place well too.

At the end of this road, you have a kind of restaurant and just before that, a modern terrace restaurant called “Phuong Quyen” with a large 2nd floor terrace overlooking the Lake.

My thoughts are that if you are going with a taxi, you should give the name of this restaurant (Phuong Quyen), and the name of the road “Duong To Ngoc Van” and let him take you there and drop off at the restaurant. You will have passed the BBS places when you arrive at the restaurant.

Go to the restaurant to enjoy a beer and the view of the Lake to shake off the taxi driver.
(This because I dislike the leeching behaviors of taxi drivers most places and their commission demanding ways!)

After your drink by which time you should be rid of him (hopefully), you walk back to the brothel places and partake of the choices available at the best prices without commission!

My nokia map for Hanoi (as for Ho Chi Minh City) does not have up to date road details unlike the excellent details for much of the rest of Asia!

when u visit phuong Nugyen resturant, must try their claypot beef! and crab beefhoon. all for VND 110,000. = SGD9.00+ 1 bottle of beer!.

it was so crowded during dinner time, i wondering what all the news about hyper inflation in vietnam? after my food, i had a hard time finding my motorbike coz there are hundreds similar ones.
when i found mine, i drive slowly towards to the brothels. Just follow the way the the previous cheongster provided. if you stay in sofitel it should be 5-6minutes max ( definitely no traffic jam). and sheraton( 2-3min)

i ask them how much the reply was VND500,000. i try to bargain to VND400,000 but they decline. even after i drive off slowly, hoping they can call me back, they never.
thus i guess the going rate is about VND 500,000.( thats inflation!)

like some bros, mention it is actually a local motel in disguise. definitely good for someone who look for hassle free fuck for SGD40.00. as far as i know most of the OKT standing outside the nha nghi( motel) can speak decent english.
i cant comment on the service as i dint try coz it was drizzling and i just had my cock massage by the rose VIP massage. i am now in BKK and i hope these comments can help bros to have alternative way to relieve your stress!

[deptrai4u]

Condor bro..., fantastic FR. I tried to up you again but not able to bcos it says I must spread points around and not up the same person again and again.. ;-)

I like your FR, when u coming to Hanoi again? PM me, I will show you around.