Ok, maybe let me rephrase what I said previously...
Losing temper is losing composure only if you have feelings for the gal. In other words, in a normal relationship when you lose your temper with your significant other, it is because you have feelings for her. In relationships like this, which I had previously, my feelings for my gals are always zilch although they have feelings for me. So whenever I lose my temper at my gal, it's a way to show her whose the boss. End of the day, since I have zero feelings for her, I don't give a damm whether she comes back to me or not. If she comes back, then she has to abide by the rules of the relationship that I set. Whatever happens, I don't lose.
If you succumb to the requests of your gal, even if it is only a few times, this shows up as your weakness which she will exploit to no end. Don't be surprised that even if you remain calm and composed, she is able to read you perfectly well. The fact that you tell her to fuck off and yet when she comes back, you accept her again with no conditions attached, shows to her that you were never serious about ending the relationship. Again this is a weakness that she will exploit.
You are correct to say that if a gal plays hard to get, we should just move on.
For Bro WB, his modus operandi is BY-ing the gal, meaning he makes an offer to the gal and if she accepts it, then the gal is his for that period. Of course, there will always be offers and counter offers and of course he may decide not to BY the gal even if she accepts his offer.
I could be wrong, but I believe what Bro WB meant when he said the one who shows the least concern controls the relationship means the one who has the least feelings in the relationship will be the one controlling it. Simply put, if you do not have feelings for the gal but the gal has feelings for you, then you will be in control of the relationship. It is a very simple concept but it is something that most people cannot or are unable to put into practice.
Bro WB posted tips and gems and methods of chasing (and maintaining relationships with) gals you fancy, gals you want to develop into a relationship, be it normal BGR, BY-ing, ST, ONS.
Least concern or least feelings, what's the difference? Least feelings doesn’t mean no feelings right? If you have no feelings (eg, feeling of wanting to insert your hard on inside her) for a gal to start with, why would you wanna chase her? Or maintain such relationship with her?
Lesser feelings for your gal? Zilch feelings for your gal? But how do you know her feelings for you is more than you for her? How do you know she even has any feelings for you? She is in it for the money no? So "least concern" or "least feelings", to me its just for argument and I won't dwell on it because to me, its quite meaningless.
The message is very simple: don't let your target know she is indispensable. Reason: you will be seen as a loser and be easily manipulated.
Bro WB posted tips and gems and methods of chasing (and maintaining relationships with) gals you fancy, gals you want to develop into a relationship, be it normal BGR, BY-ing, ST, ONS.
Least concern or least feelings, what's the difference? Least feelings doesn’t mean no feelings right? If you have no feelings (eg, feeling of wanting to insert your hard on inside her) for a gal to start with, why would you wanna chase her? Or maintain such relationship with her?
Lesser feelings for your gal? Zilch feelings for your gal? But how do you know her feelings for you is more than you for her? How do you know she even has any feelings for you? She is in it for the money no? So "least concern" or "least feelings", to me its just for argument and I won't dwell on it because to me, its quite meaningless.
The message is very simple: don't let your target know she is indispensable. Reason: you will be seen as a loser and be easily manipulated.
Feelings refers to feelings of love for the gal.
Were the gals who were with me previously in for the money? No, I doubt it very much. Unless you are saying the 10K baht I gave monthly to my Thai tirak many years back was a lot of money...
How do you know if a gal has any feelings for you? Well, for WLs, if you give them peanuts and they still stick to you regardless of how much shit you give them, then I guess they must have some feelings for you right?
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Were the gals who were with me previously in for the money? No, I doubt it very much. Unless you are saying the 10K baht I gave monthly to my Thai tirak many years back was a lot of money...
How do you know if a gal has any feelings for you? Well, for WLs, if you give them peanuts and they still stick to you regardless of how much shit you give them, then I guess they must have some feelings for you right?
My gal told me she went to her galfriend's condo in Robertson Quay over the weekend. The bf pays $3,800 per month rent for her.
I don't spend that much a month on my gal (sometimes, even less than half of that) and she takes care of her own rent. Granted, I don't give her shit but I don't buy her flowers or gifts. She is still angry with me for not giving her money when she went back to China for the CNY.
She can jolly well find a rich man to BY her for $10K to $20K a month, easily, becos her galfriend doesn't even come close to her in the looks department. (And according to my gal, her gf doesn't enjoy sex with her bf!?!?!?)
I asked her why she still with me? She didn't answer me. So does that mean she has some feelings for me?
My gal told me she went to her galfriend's condo in Robertson Quay over the weekend. The bf pays $3,800 per month rent for her.
I don't spend that much a month on my gal (sometimes, even less than half of that) and she takes care of her own rent. Granted, I don't give her shit but I don't buy her flowers or gifts. She is still angry with me for not giving her money when she went back to China for the CNY.
She can jolly well find a rich man to BY her for $10K to $20K a month, easily, becos her galfriend doesn't even come close to her in the looks department. (And according to my gal, her gf doesn't enjoy sex with her bf!?!?!?)
I asked her why she still with me? She didn't answer me. So does that mean she has some feelings for me?
I gather your gal is still working at the KTV. So she should be easily earning 5K/mth which would cover all her expenses here already. And you are probably giving her around 2K+/mth on average based on what you stated. Also you don't give her any shit which makes it a reasonably ok relationship for her.
Well, you should know how she feels about you. But since you have always maintained that this is a monetary transaction with her, most likely she doesn't want to leave you because you are another source of income for her.
Now my question is how would you feel if one day someone offers to BY her for 10K/mth and she accepts and that is the end of your relationship with her.
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I gather your gal is still working at the KTV. So she should be easily earning 5K/mth which would cover all her expenses here already. And you are probably giving her around 2K+/mth on average based on what you stated. Also you don't give her any shit which makes it a reasonably ok relationship for her.
Well, you should know how she feels about you. But since you have always maintained that this is a monetary transaction with her, most likely she doesn't want to leave you because you are another source of income for her.
Now my question is how would you feel if one day someone offers to BY her for 10K/mth and she accepts and that is the end of your relationship with her.
Yes bro, she still work in Havelock. And yes, I pay/spend on her thereabouts. But she averages $12K a month, including what I pay her. Their shelf life in the industry is very limited (and she's not a SYT anymore) and they know so they will try to earn as much in as short a time as possible. Don't ask me how I know she averages $12K/mth - I will tell you offline, but not here.
Yes, I always maintain that it is a monetary transaction because beneath all the “老公，亲爱的，宝贝”, money is still involved. And I don't mind paying her as long as the sex is still great. I don't want to take advantage of her and I don't want to be taken advantage of.
How would I feel if one day someone offers to BY her for 10K/mth and she accepts? Well, I would be happy for her. Seriously. But if she accepts to be BY for, say, $3K/mth, then I will be pissed - I will see it as she is charging me a premium.
Accepting someone's offer to be BY also doesn't mean end of our great sex. Last year, she was, in a way, BY by another guy who pays her a fixed monthly income (more than $5K/mth I think) on top of showering her with expensive gifts, handbags, pays for her course fees, fetch her to and from school. He, a bachelor, who had all the time in the world, thought she would be loyal to him and be a faithful gf to him. And despite he being in the KTV chionging scene for 18 long years, and knowing how these PRC KTV gals behave, still fell flat on his face - he was dumped by her after half a year. And for 2 months thereafter, stalked her. She had to spend that 2 months convincing him she has all along only treated him nothing more than a paying customer.
During that period when he thought she was his gf who only works at LV but not doing ST, we continued to have sex secretly. There was one night, we were happily pumping away in her house, the guy was in his car making phone calls parked outside her place. We could see his car. Sometimes, he will just stand downstairs to finish his ciggie.
The reason for her "infidelity"? He was lousy in bed. He usually cum within 2 minutes of penetration. I could make her cum many times and I can last way longer than him. At first, I don't believe the guy can be that bad and I always think, maybe she just want me to continue our relationship that’s why always sing praises to me but then, she doesn't really need to do all that right?
OK, that much I will disclose. It is because of all these things, I know I will never BY a gal unless I'm in a situation like Bro WB - I have both the time and money. I don't trust these gals unless she is with me 24/7 or unless the stakes are too high for her to "stray". The sex part shouldn't be a problem because if the chemistry is there, the sex will be good. If the sex is not good, then like what Bro WB say, dump her.
I'll be there in early March. Will join u another time.
Where in CP can I find the prettiest SYTs? Any 5-star hotels?
Ths!
Cheers!
Bro WB
I think the only 5 star hotel now is Yihao... the girls there also command higher fees. Hope you can go again in April..
Check me out and see if I am an Ok guy first.. maybe at one of your HH session.......Have fun.
Yes bro, she still work in Havelock. And yes, I pay/spend on her thereabouts. But she averages $12K a month, including what I pay her. Their shelf life in the industry is very limited (and she's not a SYT anymore) and they know so they will try to earn as much in as short a time as possible. Don't ask me how I know she averages $12K/mth - I will tell you offline, but not here.
Yes, I always maintain that it is a monetary transaction because beneath all the “老公，亲爱的，宝贝”, money is still involved. And I don't mind paying her as long as the sex is still great. I don't want to take advantage of her and I don't want to be taken advantage of.
How would I feel if one day someone offers to BY her for 10K/mth and she accepts? Well, I would be happy for her. Seriously. But if she accepts to be BY for, say, $3K/mth, then I will be pissed - I will see it as she is charging me a premium.
Accepting someone's offer to be BY also doesn't mean end of our great sex. Last year, she was, in a way, BY by another guy who pays her a fixed monthly income (more than $5K/mth I think) on top of showering her with expensive gifts, handbags, pays for her course fees, fetch her to and from school. He, a bachelor, who had all the time in the world, thought she would be loyal to him and be a faithful gf to him. And despite he being in the KTV chionging scene for 18 long years, and knowing how these PRC KTV gals behave, still fell flat on his face - he was dumped by her after half a year. And for 2 months thereafter, stalked her. She had to spend that 2 months convincing him she has all along only treated him nothing more than a paying customer.
During that period when he thought she was his gf who only works at LV but not doing ST, we continued to have sex secretly. There was one night, we were happily pumping away in her house, the guy was in his car making phone calls parked outside her place. We could see his car. Sometimes, he will just stand downstairs to finish his ciggie.
The reason for her "infidelity"? He was lousy in bed. He usually cum within 2 minutes of penetration. I could make her cum many times and I can last way longer than him. At first, I don't believe the guy can be that bad and I always think, maybe she just want me to continue our relationship that’s why always sing praises to me but then, she doesn't really need to do all that right?
OK, that much I will disclose. It is because of all these things, I know I will never BY a gal unless I'm in a situation like Bro WB - I have both the time and money. I don't trust these gals unless she is with me 24/7 or unless the stakes are too high for her to "stray". The sex part shouldn't be a problem because if the chemistry is there, the sex will be good. If the sex is not good, then like what Bro WB say, dump her.
Well, at least I understand a bit of your relationship with your KTV gal. But in the past I would never have accepted this sort of arrangement though... My philosophy has always been that once the gal is with me, then she must be exclusive to me.
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My dear Guru WB, you have indeed evolved into a Class A predator, thus, kudos to you, Master WarBird
My Dear Mr. Chairman,
There r many "gurus" n "masters" at SBF, but only one Chairman.
Ths in large part to u, I hv been making slow progress, one step at a time...and if I'm now a Class A predator, u r the Apex Predator!
Take it as the ultimate compliment, u r like the cold-blooded giant crocodile of the Nile. I pity the hapless prey u hv set ur sights on. Once u pounce on her, what chance does she hv?
Cheers!
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Well said bro WB!
Just an update on my issue at hand - my gal’s request to increase her pay (per fxxk) by $100:
I didn’t answer her. Of cos I want! But only on my terms.
Hi bro FA,
Way to go! He who pays the piper calls the tune.
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Bro WB,
I would put all my successes to BY-ing in the past down to pure and simple luck...
The secret in my opinion for successfully BY-ing or KC-ing a gal is basically to make them feel that they are your one and only during the time when you are BY-ing or KC-ing them. ...
One of my ex cheong buddies once told me, the ultimate in KC-ing a gal is to let yourself fall in love with her but to maintain control of your feelings..........
Hi bro TD,
No no, ur success is not pure luck. Luck favors the prepared mind. You're well prepared bcos u treat all failures as learning experiences.
I dun know, I now always let my gals know that I hv many, many options...
Controlled love is an oxymoron. If a man falls in love w/ a gal, by definition he has lost control of his objectivity n is now addicted to her.
Sometimes, I do allow myself some KC for a gal I like very much. I show that I love her, but I'm not in love w/ her, hehehe.
Cheers!
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Bro, I didn't read your previous posts so I'm quite confused by your term "pay per fuck"???
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Haha, yes, rest assured I told her that - except I didn't ask her to fxxk off.....................
Also most importantly, the chemistry we share in bed cannot be duplicated in GL.
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Bro, u shouldn't worry about telling her to fuck off..............................
You are wrong to say that chemistry in bed cannot be replicated in GL or with other FLs for that matter.....
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Although I don't go for GL bonks but I heard the level of service is tok gong....?
How could u retire at such a tender age?!!
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Haha, yes bro, you are very experienced...................
Yes, pay per fuck or pay per month, like prepaid or post-paid phones, they are all monetary transactions, what’s the difference? Except to her, she takes it that I’m just taking care of her..........................
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Losing your temper at her is not losing control or losing your composure unless you were never in control of your emotions.......................................... ......
You feel that by using the pay and fuck method, your gal feels that you are taking care of her?.....
.................WLs are not stupid. As long as they do not have any real feelings for you, they will always push the limits of your tolerance.
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Losing temper is losing composure. Losing temper is losing control of my emotions. That, of cos, is only my opinion/definition.
What's the point of acting cool? .................................................. ................
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Serious la...used to go 5 times a week....looks like only our BRO WB is really going strong!....hehehe
I'm doing my best, God willing...
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Ok, maybe let me rephrase what I said previously...
Losing temper is losing composure only if you have feelings for the gal............
If you succumb to the requests of your gal, even if it is only a few times, this shows up as your weakness which she will exploit to no end.....
You are correct to say that if a gal plays hard to get, we should just move on........................................ when he said the one who shows the least concern controls the relationship means the one who has the least feelings ..............
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You are like me meh???
I already retired from KTVs/HFJs for many years already...you still going KTV/HFJ hor...............................
As for FLs, will probably be quitting soon also...
Pls dun quit. I enjoy ur posts too much.
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Bro WB posted tips and gems and methods of chasing (and maintaining relationships with) gals you fancy, gals you want to develop into a relationship.................
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Feelings refers to feelings of love for the gal.
Were the gals who were with me previously in for the money? No, I doubt it very much.................................
How do you know if a gal has any feelings for you? ...
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My gal told me she went to her galfriend's condo in Robertson Quay over the weekend. The bf pays $3,800 per month rent for her.
.................................................. So does that mean she has some feelings for me?
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I gather your gal is still working at the KTV..............................
Now my question is how would you feel if one day someone offers to BY her for 10K/mth and she accepts and that is the end of your relationship with her.
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Yes bro, she still work in Havelock.................................
Accepting someone's offer to be BY also doesn't mean end of our great sex. ................................
During that period when he thought she was his gf who only works at LV but not doing ST, we continued to have sex secretly.............................
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......Have fun.
OK, pls PM me ur ctc. Plan HH at LV this Fri.
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So many gurus in this thread. Respect.
Many experienced bros here.
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So many COS executors in this thread. Respect.
Isn't giving COS wonderful?
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Well, at least I understand a bit of your relationship with your KTV gal............... My philosophy has always been that once the gal is with me, then she must be exclusive to me.
I'm fascinated by the exchange or should I say dialogue between bro TD n bro FA. I hv read their posts carefully. They r very experienced cheongsters n I hv learned a great deal from their insights n wisdom.
My conclusion is that both of them r right. I'll not go into the argument of what is BY-ing, ST-ing, feelings, caring, loving, sextisfaction, etc. It's just a matter of semantics.
Both bros hv their own unique M.O. n their preferred arrangement. And both of them hv enjoyed their RS w/ various gals n both r very successful in their own right.
To each his own. No one method is better or superior. Every man is different, hahaha.
I like to take this oppty to thank n salute bros TD n FA for sharing their very interesting sexploits w/ us here. Pls keep it up!
My key investment n all the markets hv declined n r still going lower. My loss today is severe. In the last 24 hrs, I hv lost what I could hv used to BY 2 chio SYTs full-time in Xiamen for many, many yrs. Am I still happy? Yeah, if the markets go lower, It would be a great buying oppty.
I hv decided not to BY FF. I'm not going to break the law for any pussy, no matter how beautiful. I'll take her out for dinner as promised. I'm going to french her. I'll wait for her return...
Life is strange. When I search for something diligently, I may not find it for a long time, but when I dun expect anything, what I crave may just pop up from nowhere. That was how I met the gorgeous FF. There is another one.
The other day, I dropped by to say Happy Birthday to a childhood fren at a KTV. I stayed for abt 20 min n was abt to leave, then I saw a gal of my type QQ. She sat w/ me for 12 min n I left. After knowing her for 5 min, I popped the question of ST. And to my surprise n great delight mixed w/ disappointment, she answered: 可以，你很斯文, etc. What so special abt ST w/ her? She is certainly among the very rare KTV gals who do ST n who r also my type. To me, she is the most attractive gal in that category n more attractive than most of my BAO-ees. Rashomon Effect? I hv seen many gals who do ST, including GL cat 150 n FLs, both local n PRCs. Among the GL Cat 150 gals, only the retired Sugar of 2060 n Linda of W06 (?) r comparable. But QQ is a bit taller n has more perky ass n more proportionate figure. I'll up her asap. BTW, she arrived in SG just days ago, according to her passport. She never told me how much yet.
pls DO NOT BOOK the hotel room thru tis website cos it's very much expensive. pm me for contacts to book at much more reasonable rate.
the main selling point abt tis hotel is its strategic location; very central & convenient. will share wif u more info abt tis hotel & other info when u pm me.
hello bro sorry i read your chatting with other bros and have to interrupt,
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I'm not BY-ing FF bcos she is only 17 according to her passport. I guess I may hv to add her to the list of gals who hv consented to BY but I wont or couldnt consummate the deal, at least for now. I hv not given up yet since she is so cute n so fresh...my didi becomes very stiff just thinking of her. I'm checking w/ my lawyers to find a solution. She is leaving SG soon. I may hv to wait till the 2nd half of the yr when she turns 18. If I take her out for dinner n only french her, am I breaking any laws? I'll tell her to apply for a student visa.
bro ,i tot Singapore the minimum age is SIXTEEN so 17 shld be ok????
Just an update on my issue at hand - my gal’s request to increase her pay (per fxxk) by $100:
haha bro and then some more not just that price is not set by "cost increase" but by SUPPLY ,if S$ go up up up then MORE SUPPLY COME and so actually price should go DOWN, not up,correct??? if market price cannot match inflation then is HER PROBLEM not yours!!! she shld just fuck more often to make up for increase costs!!!!
but i think if say that to her she even more unhappy hahahaha
No no, ur success is not pure luck. Luck favors the prepared mind. You're well prepared bcos u treat all failures as learning experiences.
I dun know, I now always let my gals know that I hv many, many options...
Controlled love is an oxymoron. If a man falls in love w/ a gal, by definition he has lost control of his objectivity n is now addicted to her.
Sometimes, I do allow myself some KC for a gal I like very much. I show that I love her, but I'm not in love w/ her, hehehe.
Cheers!
How could u retire at such a tender age?!!
I'm fascinated by the exchange or should I say dialogue between bro TD n bro FA. I hv read their posts carefully. They r very experienced cheongsters n I hv learned a great deal from their insights n wisdom.
My conclusion is that both of them r right. I'll not go into the argument of what is BY-ing, ST-ing, feelings, caring, loving, sextisfaction, etc. It's just a matter of semantics.
Both bros hv their own unique M.O. n their preferred arrangement. And both of them hv enjoyed their RS w/ various gals n both r very successful in their own right.
To each his own. No one method is better or superior. Every man is different, hahaha.
I like to take this oppty to thank n salute bros TD n FA for sharing their very interesting sexploits w/ us here. Pls keep it up!
Cheers!
Bro WB
Bro WB,
You are the guru here...not me or Bro FA...
You are right that luck always favours the prepared but there are times when the gal has a favourable impression of you right from the start and this makes it much easier to KC her. To me, this is plain luck...
I doubt that I'll be able to share more than what I have already done thus far since I've already retired from KC-ing gals since 8 years ago. Currently I do not have the inclination to start KC-ing KTV gals/Pub hostesses/FLs since in the words of Austin Powers, I've lost my mojo....
I'm actually considering total retirement now, something that I did a couple of years back but at the end of the day, I came out of retirement last year to the FL scene again.
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