Long Distance Tirak Relationship - Myth or Reality

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by free

I dun doubt what you say and I never have. But do think about what if you can do what you do now, and then still be able do speak, read and write Thai like any other tha (ok ok granted not as good lah but ok enough), wouldn't your life be the richer for it? U can read all that you want to read out there in the original thai text, not somebody's edited and interpreted version. Not being able to speak/read/write Thais is not a shame, but you would accept that to able to do so, has to be an additonal advantage, surely? Wouldn't you agree with me? Why stop our learning process when the road ahead is obviously lined with more and better things to come? The human mind is capable of much more.
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Seriously I do not think it has any advatage for me if I can read or write thai.

I know it won't get me a better job as no companies employ foreigners because of the ability to read/write thai but rather on certain expertise that they could not find in Thailand (they can find 65 million people who can read/write thai).

I don't think it can get me better girls as the girls don't really care whether you can read/write thai. They care more for the amount of security you can provide for them.

I don't think the Thais will look up to me at a higher level as more often than not, my collegues, friends, etc prefers to me have a translator next to me whenever I have official discussions, etc as it gives the other party a very different impression than if I speaks on my own in Thai, or read and write everything rather than the translator checked every document in front of them for me.

My brother speaks "Kang" "Nua" and "Yisan" perfectly that he could easily pose as a thai and you wouldn't even know the difference. Even the Thais wouldn't know so they thought of him as a Thai. Heck, I wouldn't want that to happen to me. I Would want Thais to know I'm a foreigner.

My sister reads and writes Thai better than you (I don't even have to check) and she also acts as an official translator during her 3 years term in the SG embassy in Bangkok. And as she said, picture this " Do you prefer to be the translator or do you prefer someone translating for you when you are in an offical meeting?" Who calls the shots?

As for being able to communicate online with Thais, etc... These are unimportant things and it doesn't really help a person in life.

Like I said, I do not find it any advantage if I were to be able to read/write Thai.

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Seriously I do not think it has any advatage for me if I can read or write thai.

I know it won't get me a better job as no companies employ foreigners because of the ability to read/write thai but rather on certain expertise that they could not find in Thailand (they can find 65 million people who can read/write thai).

I don't think it can get me better girls as the girls don't really care whether you can read/write thai. They care more for the amount of security you can provide for them.

I don't think the Thais will look up to me at a higher level as more often than not, my collegues, friends, etc prefers to me have a translator next to me whenever I have official discussions, etc as it gives the other party a very different impression than if I speaks on my own in Thai, or read and write everything rather than the translator checked every document in front of them for me.

My brother speaks "Kang" "Nua" and "Yisan" perfectly that he could easily pose as a thai and you wouldn't even know the difference. Even the Thais wouldn't know so they thought of him as a Thai. Heck, I wouldn't want that to happen to me. I Would want Thais to know I'm a foreigner.

My sister reads and writes Thai better than you (I don't even have to check) and she also acts as an official translator during her 3 years term in the SG embassy in Bangkok. And as she said, picture this " Do you prefer to be the translator or do you prefer someone translating for you when you are in an offical meeting?" Who calls the shots?

As for being able to communicate online with Thais, etc... These are unimportant things and it doesn't really help a person in life.

Like I said, I do not find it any advantage if I were to be able to read/write Thai.

You are who you are and I am who I am. The way we measure benefit and advantages are obviously very different; not only we use different yardsticks, we even defined "benefits/advantages" so differently. I don;t always looked at things in Economics terms, which u did in your above analogies. Most of what I do with my Thai are for my personal life. If I am in an official meeting, of course I will let the translator do his/her job for my function is not to be a translator. But I wouldnt be dragging some one along if I am say renting a car or signing some personal documents.

And reading information on my own to satisfy my own desire for knowledge (not necessarily economic), my knowledge helps me to do today waht I could not do last year. You are still very "Singaporean" (kekeke) and that is perfectly OK. I myself never quite behave nor think like one, and LOS is but one of the options I have been thinking about for a long time. Of course having a thai tirak is a major reason why I finally chose LOS over other Western options, even though economically I may not do as well in LOS, as my strongest skills are not so much in demand there. But nevertheless it is a choice I made.

Some food for thought, 2 nights ago, I had privy to 2 letters in Thai written by 2 TGs to their SG Bfs. One asked her bf "What is love to you? Is it,,...." and another "What is happiness? Is it worldly possessions? Is it .....". I am sure your answers will be different from mine. Not right, wrong, better or worse, jsut different. What matters is you believe in your answers and you seek to make them real to you. So do I for my answers.....

I think you are one of those ppl who really put an effort to master the thai langauge,kudos to u!. Personally I had been staying in LOS for quite sometime and I feel that it's good that if u can converse, read and write in thai but frankly speaking I think there not so much advantages even you can do all the above when you settle down in LOS. For you to totally understand the thai culture, you will have to sacrifice a lot of time and effort and also sometimes through learning valuable lessons. I also can speak and read but not writing but I see no reasons the thai doing a favour to me by giving more business to me. No matter how good are we are disguising ourselves, afterall we are still singaporeans.

No offence to u:
I had read through your stories and I admired your persistance towards your LDTR. After so much posts and talk, you said that you're planning to settle down in LOS in future, it's good to master the langauge but do you know what is the real preparation that is the most important? Let me give my 2 cents worth, if the lau jiaos here think that I'm wrong please zap me all you can, if it's gam tya u can also up me!

FINANCIAL AND CAREER STABLITY

Sorry to be a bit crude as I would like to see u here 1 day but with all the talk here, there's no way u will be able to end up here 1 day even you can read, write and speak like a native speaker cos staying in LOS is not like a piece of cake and I experienced it first hand and if I can, I wish I could turn back the clock to have more preparation before I'm here. Without the 2 points above, I can say whoever wants to settle in anywhere overseas also cannot survive. As for the culture part, no need to worry too much as you will learn as time passes by when you are here.

I know that I had been too crude over my post but I sincerely hope that your r/s can work out and maybe see you here in future. I just here to comment the truth but not to engage in flame war so I hope you dun take it too hard!

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by Sex Pistol

FINANCIAL AND CAREER STABLITY

Very true indeed!!

'Love' CANNOT survive on bread and water alone.

Money is still the key issue here.

Unless you have a big piggy bank/ stable career to finance your stay here.

Your skills and experience back home is not going to help you survive here at

all. Even those elite white men (ang mo) also had a hard times survive here.

Unless you are currently on 'pensions',then it still ok.

[free]

Originally Posted by Sex Pistol

I think you are one of those ppl who really put an effort to master the thai langauge,kudos to u!. Personally I had been staying in LOS for quite sometime and I feel that it's good that if u can converse, read and write in thai but frankly speaking I think there not so much advantages even you can do all the above when you settle down in LOS. For you to totally understand the thai culture, you will have to sacrifice a lot of time and effort and also sometimes through learning valuable lessons. I also can speak and read but not writing but I see no reasons the thai doing a favour to me by giving more business to me. No matter how good are we are disguising ourselves, afterall we are still singaporeans.

No offence to u:
I had read through your stories and I admired your persistance towards your LDTR. After so much posts and talk, you said that you're planning to settle down in LOS in future, it's good to master the langauge but do you know what is the real preparation that is the most important? Let me give my 2 cents worth, if the lau jiaos here think that I'm wrong please zap me all you can, if it's gam tya u can also up me!

FINANCIAL AND CAREER STABLITY

Sorry to be a bit crude as I would like to see u here 1 day but with all the talk here, there's no way u will be able to end up here 1 day even you can read, write and speak like a native speaker cos staying in LOS is not like a piece of cake and I experienced it first hand and if I can, I wish I could turn back the clock to have more preparation before I'm here. Without the 2 points above, I can say whoever wants to settle in anywhere overseas also cannot survive. As for the culture part, no need to worry too much as you will learn as time passes by when you are here.

I know that I had been too crude over my post but I sincerely hope that your r/s can work out and maybe see you here in future. I just here to comment the truth but not to engage in flame war so I hope you dun take it too hard!

No, ur post is certainly not offensive and your are damn right. FINANCIAL AND CAREER STABLITY is not only important, it is the most important. For w/o that, going any where (even in SG) is an issue,. not just in Thailand alone. Immigration is always accompanied by a host of related problems. Jsut because I dun talked about it in this thread doesn't mean I dun consider it or I am just going uo there armed with only the ability to speak, read and write thai, and expect things to fall in place. I got to utterly mad to do that. For me, learning the language is but one of the 1st steps I am taking to prepare myself, and certainly not the only thing I do.

All I am saying that it has already benefitted me and benefits are measured in many ways, not just economically. It is amazing how ppl put words into my mouth cause they choose to see only a certain pespective of the overall that i refer to, and then blame me for saying what they chose to read. Sigh, guess this is the intolerant society we live in today. Life goes on and I shall endeavour to continually enlarge my world view each day.

[bkkguy]

Originally Posted by free

All I am saying that it has already benefitted me and benefits are measured in many ways, not just economically. It is amazing how ppl put words into my mouth cause they choose to see only a certain pespective of the overall that i refer to, and then blame me for saying what they chose to read. Sigh, guess this is the intolerant society we live in today. Life goes on and I shall endeavour to continually enlarge my world view each day.

I think you finally attainted 'enlightenment'.

Words from wise man.

[airbrush]

Originally Posted by free

only the ability to speak, read and write thai, and expect things to fall in place.

...to speak a foreign language..take a year but you do it everyday....to write a foreign language take 3 years...you do it everyday...to understand speak and write foreign language take 5 years or more....

[free]

Originally Posted by airbrush

...to speak a foreign language..take a year but you do it everyday....to write a foreign language take 3 years...you do it everyday...to understand speak and write foreign language take 5 years or more....

Yes, I do it everyday, no actually a few times a day. And I count my blessings each and every time I could do it.

Two nice smses I'd like to share cos I know a brother is waiting for it:

Me SMS: ถ้า คุณ เป็น ดวงเดือน ผม ก็ อยากจะ กลาย เป็น ดวงดาว แล้ว ได้ หวิด กับ คุณ ให้ คุณ สุข ใจ
tâa kun bpən duang dʉan pŏm gɔ̂ɔ yàak jà glăai bpən duang daao lɛ́ɛw dâai wìt gàp kun hâi kun sùk jai
If you are the moon, let me be the stars that I may be near you & give you happiness

Her Reply: หาก คุณ เป็น ดวงอาทิตย์ ฉัน จะเป็น ท้องฟ้า ได้ เจอ ดวงอาทิตย์ ทุกวัน
hàak kun bpən duang aa-tít chăn jà bpən tɔ́ɔng fáa dâai jəə duang aa-tít túk wan
If you are the sun, I will be the sky that I may see you everyday

[airbrush]

Originally Posted by free

Yes, I do it everyday, no actually a few times a day. And I count my blessings each and every time I could do it.

Two nice smses I'd like to share cos I know a brother is waiting for it:

:

....good you are already stepping into the success ladder...keep climbing brother...rest if you needed but don't stop..

[OceanEleven]

Originally Posted by free

Me SMS: ถ้า คุณ เป็น ดวงเดือน ผม ก็ อยากจะ กลาย เป็น ดวงดาว แล้ว ได้ หวิด กับ คุณ ให้ คุณ สุข ใจ
tâa kun bpən duang dʉan pŏm gɔ̂ɔ yàak jà glăai bpən duang daao lɛ́ɛw dâai wìt gàp kun hâi kun sùk jai
If you are the moon, let me be the stars that I may be near you & give you happiness

Her Reply: หาก คุณ เป็น ดวงอาทิตย์ ฉัน จะเป็น ท้องฟ้า ได้ เจอ ดวงอาทิตย์ ทุกวัน
hàak kun bpən duang aa-tít chăn jà bpən tɔ́ɔng fáa dâai jəə duang aa-tít túk wan
If you are the sun, I will be the sky that I may see you everyday

Hoi, copy right fees hor, remember to pay up later.

[free]

Originally Posted by OceanEleven

Hoi, copy right fees hor, remember to pay up later.

Eer.. good idea, cos by now I see ROI liao. Just fees from u alone, can buy 1 cow oredi or start build my 3-storey thingy liao, kekeke

[free]

Originally Posted by bkkguy

I think you finally attainted 'enlightenment'.

Words from wise man.

Finally? Well u never asked! The reason why I dun talked about FINANCIAL AND CAREER STABLITY is cos they are so basic and fundamental I dun even feel they need to be mentioned. That u assumed I dun think about these and shot off your hip without even giving me a chance to tell u that I had actually thought much about them, and even worked on my options (still WIP). Kind of makes me wonder what were your objectives in posting thing in the manner you did. Perhaps you are concerned (and if so I thank you from the depths of my heart) cos there are a lot of ppl who just go up to LOS with a knapsack on their back, just to be their gals forever? If so, that "forever" wouldn't last very long, would it? Man cannot live on Love & Air alone that's for sure/ And neither can the Woman

I tend think if these idealists exist at all, they have to be in very small numbers. Any bros here did that? care to share?

[Bangkok Master]

Originally Posted by free

I tend think if these idealists exist at all, they have to be in very small numbers. Any bros here did that? care to share?

I do know somebody who actually did that and now still staying in LOS. I truly respect his courage for doing that but not on the "pii chai" part relying on the girl. It's not a good thing to eat soft rice and I always thought Singaporeans got backbone but each has it's own preferences.

[free]

Originally Posted by Bangkok Master

I do know somebody who actually did that and now still staying in LOS. I truly respect his courage for doing that but not on the "pii chai" part relying on the girl. It's not a good thing to eat soft rice and I always thought Singaporeans got backbone but each has it's own preferences.

I know of one case where it mades me sick inside. I dun know him personally but he is the tirak of a good friend of my beloved. He was dependent on her even when she was FLing in SG with 5 months pregnancy! How can he!

Today that innocent baby (Pic of my tirak carrying her when we visited) is now a few months old, but the dad has not only never assumed his responsibities, but is somewhere in Khon Kaen and has not seen his tirak for months. Nor did he pay his baby even visit, Still can call her to ask for money. Yet she still loves him! Guess who is feeding this woman and her 3 young gals? Her 50+yr old mother, a retired teacher! She speaks very good english! Our hearts goes to her, really.

Gives me an idea how big a mess a TG can get heslef into.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

I know of one case where it mades me sick inside. I dun know him personally but he is the tirak of a good friend of my beloved. He was dependent on her even when she was FLing in SG with 5 months pregnancy! How can he!

is now a few months old, but the dad has not only never assumed his responsibities, but is somewhere in Khon Kaen and has not seen his tirak for months. Nor did he pay his baby even visit, Still can call her to ask for money. Yet she still loves him! Guess who is feeding this woman and her 3 young gals? Her 50+yr old mother, a retired teacher! She speaks very good english! Our hearts goes to her, really.

Gives me an idea how big a mess a TG can get heslef into.

This is karma on the girl's part. She can blame no one but herself. Not say I am hard-hearted. There are more people out there in the world who need more pity and sympathy than these girls. And there are more worst off cases than what you see. Of course your judgement will have swayed in a way or another as you said the girl is a good friend of your tirak.

She chose the man. She love the man. She chose to have the baby. She chose to give birth to the child. She chose to support the man. She chose to make her mother suffer to support her baby. All this can be avoided if she made a correct decision. No pun intended.

What goes around turns around. We con the girl's feelings, one day a girl will con us back. The girl con our feelings, one day other men will con her back. KARMA!!!

SC