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[123hu]

Originally Posted by Doomas

The real cause for outrage in this case was because this was an illegal prostitution ring + even worse the girl was a minor aged 17.

https://irblaw.com.sg/learning-centr...-in-singapore/

"2012 saw one of the most infamous headlines in Singapore newspaper history, in which 48 men were charged in an online underage prostitution scandal..."

"In the online vice ring case of 2012 that made headlines...The only minor was a 17-year-old student whom Tang represented on the website as 18."

I had replied earlier to TheIdesof March that I expect you are smarter than to tell me the sentiments would be different if it was at GL.

They said that public servants, especially those in senior positions or who work closely with minors, have a moral authority to uphold.

You take this to mean online cannot but GL and look for prostitute is okay. I think you have missed the point entirely. There is nothing illegal about calling a whore, online or in GL.

[123hu]

Originally Posted by Doomas

Well, I am sharing that my experiences and observations tell me otherwise + that article is eight years old and outdated. At the end of the day, our positions differ and are unlikely to change. I respect that difference so I'll leave it at that.

I don't like people who are dishonest. You claim the article is 8 years ago and NOW it is okay for civil servants to visit GL. So if we were to ask Hri Kumar now, he will say "Oh that was 8 years ago, now change. Now okay lah." Give me a break. Want to talk, talk facts.

And the simple fact is this: The public and the government do not approve of civil servants finding prostitute. Your theory is that it is only because it was online that there was an outcry but go GL is fine. Kong simi lj? The sentiment was clearly that even though nothing was illegal, visiting prostitutes brings shame to the civil service and is MORALLY wrong, in the eyes of the public and government. The civil servants were asked to leave. Are you saying now 8 years later, times have changed and civil servants who visit prostitutes will be regarded as heroes and get promoted? You think moral authority to uphold means can go GL but cannot go online, ah? I try to give people the benefit of a doubt until they start to talk nonsense.

Your own personal opinion and my personal opinion is irrelevant. Your suggestion that it is okay for civil servants to visit prostitutes is utter bullshit and an OKT's fantasy. Plain and simple.

[Doomas]

I was hoping for civility; obviously it was a futile hope. I stated that the real trigger for the outcry for the online case was the fact that the girl was underaged, and that it was ok even many years ago for civil servants to go GL.

I also don't like people who misquote me; I never said such civil serpents would become heroes. Hri Kumar would not care if civil serpents go GL and would still have to make a politically correct statement anyway. The righteous public would be mollified while cheongsters would not care. At the end of the day, all men including civil serpents will still go GL; whatever you had preached would have become Ozymandian long before.

Ok, your way or the highway; fine, I let you win and have the last word because your last word matters. It does not cost me anything. Continued arguing won't earn me money

Originally Posted by 123hu

I don't like people who are dishonest. You claim the article is 8 years ago and NOW it is okay for civil servants to visit GL. So if we were to ask Hri Kumar now, he will say "Oh that was 8 years ago, now change. Now okay lah." Give me a break. Want to talk, talk facts.

And the simple fact is this: The public and the government do not approve of civil servants finding prostitute. Your theory is that it is only because it was online that there was an outcry but go GL is fine. Kong simi lj? The sentiment was clearly that even though nothing was illegal, visiting prostitutes brings shame to the civil service and is MORALLY wrong, in the eyes of the public and government. The civil servants were asked to leave. Are you saying now 8 years later, times have changed and civil servants who visit prostitutes will be regarded as heroes and get promoted?

Your own personal opinion and my personal opinion is irrelevant. Your suggestion that it is okay for civil servants to visit prostitutes is utter bullshit and an OKT's fantasy. Plain and simple.

[123hu]

Originally Posted by Doomas

I was hoping for civility; obviously it was a futile hope. I stated that the real trigger for the outcry for the online case was the fact that the girl was underaged, and that it was ok even many years ago for civil servants to go GL.

I also don't like people who misquote me; I never said such civil serpents would become heroes. Hri Kumar would not care if civil serpents go GL and would still have to make a politically correct statement anyway. The righteous public would be mollified while cheongsters would not care. At the end of the day, all men including civil serpents will still go GL; whatever you had preached would have become Ozymandian long before.

Ok, your way or the highway; fine, I let you win and have the last word because your last word matters. It does not cost me anything. Continued arguing won't earn me money

I was being civil. How were you insulted? I didn't misquote you. You are saying 8 years ago so no count. I ASKED are you saying that Hri Kumar and any Minister for the matter, would be agreeable to civil servants OPENLY visiting whores now?

No doubt he was paying lip service, which I agree. But the point is, don't get caught or let people find out.

When you say it is okay for civil servants to go to GL, you're saying they can do so openly, without any fear or repercussions and you IGNORE that they need to be morally upright.

Your claim that GL is not considered a place of ill-repute simply because it is legal and no need to declare on the form is nonsense. Casinos are also legal. Having an affair is also not illegal. By your kind of logic, since I don't need to declare if I'm having an affair, this is okay with the civil service. The truth is that the public and government do not like it.

I thought it was well known that the government allows GL to exist for practical reasons and is tolerated, I stress the word 'tolerated' for lack of a better way of enforcement and to exercise some form of control.

How can it then be that it is okay for a civil servant to visit a prostitute when if society and the government had their wishes, they would rather it be completely illegal, as it is in other countries.

I said you were dishonest because nothwithstanding yours and my personal views, you IGNORE that civil servants are required to be morally upright and that means staying away from morally questionable activities. Looking for chicken and going to Geylang cannot be anything but of ill-repute. You can't acknowledge that civil servants need to be morally upright because if you do so, your theory falls flat on its face. And therefore you are dishonest. Civil servants need to UPHOLD MORALS, how can GL be acceptable? The question was never over legality.

Most people, not just civil servants, have the sense to be discreet about their activities because large parts of society do not approve of it, except for your HR colleague of course.

Civil servants can go casino...can. But before they go, they are required to declare. What do you think is the purpose of this exercise? To reassure civil servants that going to casino is really okay?

At the end of the day, we shall see how many still go GL if they need to use Safe Entry. The government has been silent on what they will do with the data collected.

I suppose it has never occured to you why most people show up at GL alone and hope not to be seen.

[TheIdesOfMarch]

Most people go to GL alone and don't wish to be seen because they somehow feel ashamed about going. Either that, or the society they live in unfairly stigmatises paid sex and legal prostitution because of conservative attitudes.

It definitely isn't because its illegal. And if someone were to face obstacles in their career just because they were seen patronising a GL brothel, trust me their superiors would have far smaller reasons to penalise them all the same and with even more justifiable explanations.

Also one last thing. Society evolves. Last time policeman wear shorts. Last time you can't even leave long hair as a man. So in the same vein, younger generations will be less and less likely to give a damn about paid sex or moralising about it than their parents' generation. And so what if they want to judge? They're also not in the same room as you and the lady when you two fuck.

[omnia]

It would seem like testing and contact tracing are key components in the government’s next phase in dealing with covid-19 - opening up again while keeping safe.

From what I can see Safe Entry and Trace Together appear to be just the start of this initiative. It would not surprise me if more draconian personal identity digital methods are probably in the making as i type this post. From what I hear, all sorts of ideas are being considered and nothing is being ruled out.

GL will definitely be affected.

As for the FLs, it is going to be interesting what sort of draconian methods are eventually going to be rolled out and more importantly how effective these sorts of methods are in 'capturing’ this kind of clandestine sector, eg location in which the FL plys her trade etc.

That said, the impression I get (i might be wrong) is that any information obtained in this regard would be strictly private & confidential, kind of like along the lines of medical confidentiality, with strict restrictions to access of such information. Exception being any issue of criminality. I doubt a 'morality police' would arise from this unprecedented situation, too sticky and would be a hinderance to the paramount objective ie keeping Singapore open and safe(health-wise) at the same time.

[Dignified69]

Originally Posted by TheIdesOfMarch

Most people go to GL alone and don't wish to be seen because they somehow feel ashamed about going. Either that, or the society they live in unfairly stigmatises paid sex and legal prostitution because of conservative attitudes.

It definitely isn't because its illegal. And if someone were to face obstacles in their career just because they were seen patronising a GL brothel, trust me their superiors would have far smaller reasons to penalise them all the same and with even more justifiable explanations.

Also one last thing. Society evolves. Last time policeman wear shorts. Last time you can't even leave long hair as a man. So in the same vein, younger generations will be less and less likely to give a damn about paid sex or moralising about it than their parents' generation. And so what if they want to judge? They're also not in the same room as you and the lady when you two fuck.

Thank you for the erudition of your thoughts with civility. I don’t know much about civil service rules but your other points are spot on.

How I wish I could go down to our playground and find XMM g spot...

[tarma69]

Many years ago I once had a cheonging kaki who is holding some kind of a management position in the civil service. I asked him in the sidelines what happens if he ever gets caught by his superiors going to GL?

2-word answer: Career gone.

I argued that GL is legal mah...

His reply: It's an unspoken code of conduct that civil servants are not supposed to be seen in "questionable places" like GL. But many civil servants still cheong. It's like NS - do anything you want but don't get caught.

[omnia]

Originally Posted by tarma69

But many civil servants still cheong. It's like NS - do anything you want but don't get caught.

Not just civil servants, all levels of the establishment as well. If you include mistresses, the group would be even larger.

This is human nature, doesn't matter whether you are a cabinet minister, judge, priest or coolie.

Prostitution is not called the oldest profession for nothing.

But like you say, discretion is important in this regard.

[123hu]

Originally Posted by TheIdesOfMarch

Most people go to GL alone and don't wish to be seen because they somehow feel ashamed about going. Either that, or the society they live in unfairly stigmatises paid sex and legal prostitution because of conservative attitudes.

It definitely isn't because its illegal. And if someone were to face obstacles in their career just because they were seen patronising a GL brothel, trust me their superiors would have far smaller reasons to penalise them all the same and with even more justifiable explanations.

Also one last thing. Society evolves. Last time policeman wear shorts. Last time you can't even leave long hair as a man. So in the same vein, younger generations will be less and less likely to give a damn about paid sex or moralising about it than their parents' generation. And so what if they want to judge? They're also not in the same room as you and the lady when you two fuck.

I disagree superiors will have smaller reasons to stall your career. You don't seem to understand that most people find going to GL morally wrong. In future what happen with the young generation, nobody knows.

And I don't know why you are obsessed with stressing GL is legal. No big deal. It is legal to pay for sex in Spore anywhere, online also legal. If you're not the pimp or FL, no problem. Nothing wrong with paying for sex.

Walk the talk. You can be the first to reveal your identity here and start a facebook page for GL. No point making all sort of justifications and assure people no need to be scare but ownself also don't dare to reveal identity.

Come be a man. Not empty talk. Ask people to jump, you jump first. Show us how you are fearless.

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[123hu]

Originally Posted by funboi

if one never been asked, it simply mean one not reach certain "level" yet. if one do not know such question do exist, it simply mean one yet to have exposure to such opportunity.




I can only CONFIRMED and say. ITS BEEN ASKED.

Nobody also officially ask if you having an affair. Don't get caught. Many companies will ask you to leave, not just civil service.

[123hu]

Originally Posted by funboi

3. They ask the question cuz wana give you heads up warning. telling you from now on better be careful even if you wana hanky panky.

Usually top management don't go GL lah 555 thats why they always kana at hotel or having an affair. Just like last time those civil servants or that MP kana and resign from politics.

Yes. Keep record you go casino...don't go so often ah. See see look look one time okay, don't go again ah.

Transit CEO asked to leave coz many FL. That's the other thing. Want to get caught, at least get caught with high class one. Get caught for 1 star room budget fuck...wah lau.

[StealthBomber]

Agreed, usually all those higher management don't go GL. They have to be more discreet and can afford it. Have affairs or go for FL / escort or SB.

Then again i have seen higher end cars parked at GL lorongs also occasionally.

But for the rank and file, i do think there is no worry over the data being misused for reasons other than contact tracing, unless got hacked or you go and join opposition party.

[123hu]

Originally Posted by StealthBomber

But i do think there is no worry over the data being misused for reasons other than contact tracing, unless got hacked or you go and join opposition party.

Sporean very trusting and naive.