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[dathinman]

Originally Posted by KatoeyLover69

My question is: Why is it that the number of S'poreans coming to JB/Johor/Malaysia keep increasing month after after month and year after year ???

Some of them skip JB. They go on up to Malacca and KL.

My friend in Malacca was complaining about all these Singaporeans or Malaysians working in Singapore who come up over the weekend for a holiday. They are making everything more expensive for the locals.

Luckily Malacca not much cheonging activities.

[viewsonic]

Originally Posted by topcook1

JB cost of living is much cheaper..Petrol is 0.83 SGD per lites, Milk powder 50 per cent cheaper , ciggrattes 3 times cheaper and many other more last but not least bonking is about 2 times cheaper.Is the same reasons why Malaysian likes to get into Southern Thailand since there is an insurgency there.

Hi pal,

that wasn't the right way to compare....should compare apple with apple and orange with orange.


Our Singapore average earning is about S$2k. And our petrol cost is around S$1.98

Our friend in Malaysia, their average earning is also around RM$2k. (assume only, should be lesser than RM$2k) And their petrol is RM$1.92

So, it's work out that our standard of living is about the same. Except Spore smaller country among the two is run by a more "efficient" government and also of the advantages in exchange rate.

So to us, their stuffs are cheap but to the local, it's not.

[topcook1]

[QUOTE=viewsonic;2460742]Hi pal,

that wasn't the right way to compare....should compare apple with apple and orange with orange.


Our Singapore average earning is about S$2k. And our petrol cost is around S$1.98

Precisely lots of sporeans and PRs dont mind going to JB for shopping due to the exchange rate.Is the same reason why Malaysian goes to Southern Thailand too.

[ProfessorOokami]

Originally Posted by viewsonic

Hi pal,

that wasn't the right way to compare....should compare apple with apple and orange with orange.


Our Singapore average earning is about S$2k. And our petrol cost is around S$1.98

Our friend in Malaysia, their average earning is also around RM$2k. (assume only, should be lesser than RM$2k) And their petrol is RM$1.92

So, it's work out that our standard of living is about the same. Except Spore smaller country among the two is run by a more "efficient" government and also of the advantages in exchange rate.

So to us, their stuffs are cheap but to the local, it's not.

Many people like to do a comparison via a monetary conversion, so they feel nice to know that a plate of wantan being sold in SG is equivalent to RM 6.40, so MY goods are cheaper. They should compare using the so called "dollar-to-dollar" principle and add on the purchasing power of those residing in the subject countries. It is a fact that Singaporeans who earns an average of SGD 2K per month were to buy things in JB, then the actual purchasing power increased by 100 % or by a ratio of 2.32 [while prices being equal] Say a Singaporean who is hungry and would not like to eat wantan mee in SG wnet over to JB to eat a bowl [so, instead of spending SGD 3 in SG, they only spend less than SGD1.50 in JB - so can buy 2 bowls - increased purchaisng power liao!

BTW, many gets confused with "costs of living" and "standard of living".

Some boring details:
"cost of living, amount of money needed to buy the goods and services necessary to maintain a specified standard of living. The cost of living is closely tied to rates of inflation and deflation. In estimating such costs, food, clothing, rent, fuel, lighting, and furnishings as well as expenses for communication, education, recreation, transportation, and medical services are generally included"

"standard of living, level of consumption that an individual, group, or nation has achieved. The evaluation of a standard of living is relative, depending upon the judgment of the observer as to what constitutes a high or a low scale. A relative index to the standard of living of a certain economic group can be gathered from a comparison of the cost of living and the wage scale or personal income. Factors such as discretionary income are important, but standard of living includes not only the material articles of consumption but also the number of dependents in a family, the environment, the educational opportunities, and the amount spent for health, recreation, and social services. Unemployment, low wages, crowded living conditions, and physical calamities, such as drought, flood, or war, may bring a drop in the standard of living, and, conversely, an increase in social benefits and higher wages may bring about a rise. While standard of living may vary greatly among various groups within a country, it also varies from nation to nation, and international comparisons are sometimes made by analyzing gross national products, per capita incomes, or any number of other indicators from life expectancy to clean water. Overall, industrialized nations tend to have a higher standard of living than developing countries. In the United States, as in most Western nations, the standard of living has shown a steady trend upward."

So, even if MY and SG were to achieve an equal "costs of living", SG still beats MY in standard of living. Whereas, one may spend more to live in a super-inflationary country such as Mexico, yet the standard of living is comparatively lower.

[mmhunter]

I have asked myself:

Why do the minority races in Malaysia continue to live and stay in a country that discriminates against them, treats them as second class citizens, is not efficiently run, has a relatively higher crime-rate, provides jobs that do not pay as well, etc.? The list goes on and on and on and on...

Answer: They love being discriminated against? They love their country? Everything and everyone they have is in Malaysia? The fear of starting afresh somewhere else?

IMO, everyone should read "Who Took My Cheese" and try to live somewhere where they are appreciated. Singapore is just a few hours away.

[CyberOKT]

Originally Posted by ProfessorOokami

Many p
trend upward."

So, even if MY and SG were to achieve an equal "costs of living", SG still beats MY in standard of living. Whereas, one may spend more to live in a super-inflationary country such as Mexico, yet the standard of living is comparatively lower.

True Bro, so the best is to earn Singapore $$ and live in Malaysia.

[dathinman]

mmhunter,

Things aren't as bad as you think.

[Red_Tirak1099]

Originally Posted by mmhunter

I have asked myself:

Why do the minority races in Malaysia continue to live and stay in a country that discriminates against them, treats them as second class citizens, is not efficiently run, has a relatively higher crime-rate, provides jobs that do not pay as well, etc.? The list goes on and on and on and on...

Answer: They love being discriminated against? They love their country? Everything and everyone they have is in Malaysia? The fear of starting afresh somewhere else?

IMO, everyone should read "Who Took My Cheese" and try to live somewhere where they are appreciated. Singapore is just a few hours away.

Coming to Singapore is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire......Sinkeeland got no discrimination? Sinkees also treated like 2nd class citizens la......what is so great about Singapore?

[surbana]

Originally Posted by Red_Tirak1099

Coming to Singapore is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire......Sinkeeland got no discrimination? Sinkees also treated like 2nd class citizens la......what is so great about Singapore?

Sinkees have to do NS and no benefits. Moreover more jobs have been taken over by foriegners. I do agree sinkees are 2nd class citizen.Sinkees have no where to run just kow tow.

[Red_Tirak1099]

Originally Posted by surbana

Sinkees have to do NS and no benefits. Moreover more jobs have been taken over by foriegners. I do agree sinkees are 2nd class citizen.Sinkees have no where to run just kow tow.

You are right.....malaysian garmen may be incompetent but there is still hope for change.....but here 66.6% Sinkee voted in our million dollars "dream team" who in turn sold us down the drain with no light at the end of the tunnel

[singexpat]

lookin at e crime rate, i tink even The League of Superheros will shake head n give up oso..

[KatoeyLover69]

Originally Posted by mmhunter

I have asked myself:

Why do the minority races in Malaysia continue to live and stay in a country that discriminates against them, treats them as second class citizens, is not efficiently run, has a relatively higher crime-rate, provides jobs that do not pay as well, etc.? The list goes on and on and on and on...

Answer: They love being discriminated against? They love their country? Everything and everyone they have is in Malaysia? The fear of starting afresh somewhere else?

IMO, everyone should read "Who Took My Cheese" and try to live somewhere where they are appreciated. Singapore is just a few hours away.

Are you trying to say that ALL the Chinese, Indians, Eurasians, Ibans, Kadazans, etc ( i.e. all the non-Malays) should immigrate to S'pore

Well, there are few reasons why this is not possible :-

1. S'pore WILL NEVER accept ALL the non-Malays who want to immigrate to S'pore because S'pore will then be "flooded" with too many people it doesn't want to be its citizens

2. S'pore will hand-pick who are eligible to be its citizens based on the educational qualifications and skills

Anyway, S'pore is having the best of both worlds ...... there are at least 100,000+ Malaysians working in S'pore but staying in JB ...... and these Malaysians keep the S'pore economy growing ....... imagine what will happen if overnight all these 100,000+ Malaysians were to stop working in S'pore ..... the S'pore Govt will not be able to find enough S'poreans to fill up all these 100,000+ jobs and the economy will really suffer !

[topcook1]

Originally Posted by KatoeyLover69

Are you trying to say that ALL the Chinese, Indians, Eurasians, Ibans, Kadazans, etc ( i.e. all the non-Malays) should immigrate to S'pore


Anyway, S'pore is having the best of both worlds ...... there are at least 100,000+ Malaysians working in S'pore but staying in JB ...... and these Malaysians keep the S'pore economy growing ....... imagine what will happen if overnight all these 100,000+ Malaysians were to stop working in S'pore ..... the S'pore Govt will not be able to find enough S'poreans to fill up all these 100,000+ jobs and the economy will really suffer ![/COLOR]

There are more than 100,000 Malaysians in Spore. Guess you Miss out the PRs too. Most of the Prs are holding white collar jobs here. Well I would like to stress that without Spore JB will be much economy worst off. Take a conservative salary of each workers at $1000 , 100k workers will contribute 10 million SGD per month Which is 120 million SGD per year.Most of the workers are much well off than working in JB, I see most them buying brand new cars and house. So where does the money comes from??From Malaysia?The answer is no.

[KatoeyLover69]

Actually both the S'pore Govt/economy and the 100,000+ Malaysians who are employed in S'pore benefit from the arrangement......

The only "losers" are the normal people of JB who are not employed in S'pore or are not shop-owners/hawkers because these S'poreans help to "push up" the prices of goods/services in JB/Johor

[topcook1]

Lots of Malaysian has been replaced by Indian and PRcs..In the end sporean suffered the most..