Please be careful - Daylight Robbery

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

Hey jeff retarded one. Of course I believe my garment can manage the economy well. Thats why we voted them. Of course I also understand your garment officials corrupted too. I shall not dwell into that cos politics are very complicated. As for my garment, there were some unpopular policies that really hurts man in the streets. I already gave an example on the 3 foreign talents employed by a local hotel. If you think its a right policy then you should come with your rebuttal. This is a discussion forum. No need to get personal and start using vulgarities. This is cyber and I dont even know you. Understand Moron jeffkl?

lol, pls lah xdecep, the only thing u along with other typical kiasi singaporeans like to do is to complain and complain (if you are not the typical kiasi type, then this statement don't affect you). as i said before and i will say again, if u don't like these unpopular policies, why bother to vote for them? i don't like my govt so i don't vote for them! simple isn't it?!

i am not saying that ur sg govt is right in every way, but all i'm saying is that for every unpopular decision sg makes, malaysia makes 10 unpopular decisions. at the end of the day, most of the unpopular SG decisions were made on the basis of "the lesser of two evils". so i think you should also consider the what-ifs should the govt did not implement such measures! ur economy is growing faster than others in SEA, and wants to match HK and switzerland in terms of financial hub. so, the govt got no choice but to take in foreign talent! from the top management to the sweepers to construction workers to factory operators! pls don't generalise and say foreign talent only applies to the management or white collar jobs type. then you're telling us how shallow u are in the understanding of your economy. u can blame the govt all u want cos ur population is declining, the aged is increasing, and ur govt wants to move ahead in the world economy and moving ahead only means recruiting the best talents to sg cos sg got no natural resources. get the whole idea? does this answer your question about why the govt needs foreign talent? your SG homegrown population is simply not big enough to sustain its fast growing economy, as simple as that!

why don't you start rebutting some of my points on the goodness of your sg policies compared to msia policies for a change instead of beating round the same bush all the time?

see, this is what i mean by giving reasons and sound logic to my side of an argument. no need to provide statistics, that's for kids who can't think and rationalise facts put before them.

and i;m too lazy to even start getting personal here. pls use ur rationality in this debate. u can scold me from now onwards if you want, if that makes u lose some steam. frankly, your abuses don't affect me at all cos as i said before, it's just friendly banter, i don' take things personal. you shouldn't too cos as YOU said, u don't know me.

lol, give one example and think u won the debate? pls look thru at all my posts. i gave soooo many examples on either side of each govt and u say u want to claim credit just by naming one problem u face? so don't try to get all gung ho and think u want me to start challenging you based on your one small complaint! honestly, you're wasting my time cos you're not even addressing the issue at hand here.

if you want to start talking debate, then state ur stand on the sg and msia govt policies on the following issues :

economy well-being in terms of GDP, FDI and share market index,
political freedom,
job opportunities in terms of unemployment rate and govt assisted opportunities,
public services aka medical and crime issues
corruption (needless to say)

if u can start taking a stand and state ur reasons for doing so, we can start having a debate, if not, shove ur foreign talent issue problem aside, cos singapore is not the only country in this whole world facing this problem.

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

Yes, I may have a job but the foreign talents policy dont really help my singaporen diploma holders colleagus and many are still jobless till today. What more those uneducated ones? I personally know of some Msians holding employment pass working as accountant/ system analyst post here. And the co pay them quite well too. So Moronic one, you tell me in what way it benefits us as far as the foreign policy is concerned? The way you talk like as though you know so much about employment crises here. Sure, PM get high pay and it is his duty to create jobs that serves sporean. And you still think most of the singaporeans are fully employed?

you're a funny fellow aren't you? first u say that i got no degree, then now u say u are thinking of the welfare of your fellow diploma holders. and i'm being sarcastic here if you don't understand my earlier sentence. AS i already said earlier, singapore unemployment rate is at an all time low since 1996, this is STATISTICS! so if those unemployed got no jobs, they probably are thinking they deserve a high pay, 9 to 5, 5 day week and overseas travel job with their diplomas! no offence to diploma holders, just trying to make a point here. i buy the straits times every saturday when i go in sg to eat mcdonalds breakfast and i think ur classified ads for recruitement is even thicker than my new straits times! no jobs??! u sure??! u got statistics?? there are so many headhunters in sg, my msia frens want to get a job there is so easy! if u or ur fren only got PSLE, dun blame govt! blame urself! as of 2005, i know that poly grads get a higher starting pay than uni grads in the majority industries and that's STATISTICS! you know how i know? cos my brother is a sg poly grad too! so prove your statistics! don't give me that hearsay or ASSumption thing again, or challenge me to proving my points when your points are so weak in the first place! just becos some of your diploma frens can't get a job, it means the whole foreign policy is bad? what kind of stupid logic is that? just you because u cannot get you 5Cs, the govt is also bad? u sure u even thinking like an adult?

if you so worried about ur poly frens not getting a job, then ask them to go for further studies lah! or aim for lower paying job first lah, get ur experience then move on to something better! pls be realistic! u are a diploma holder! not a PHd holder!

and if you are SOOO genuinely worried about unemployment, then u shud join Worker's Party la! be the opposition! Move your house to Potong Pasir or Hougang! change the govt policies by getting into parliment since your frens are not getting jobs! if not, shut ur mouth and accept life as it is! or be practical and do something about it!

of course i talk as if i know the employment condition in sg cos i can back it with facts! so stop ur childish challenging with your rhetorts if you cant think of better facts to disprove me! is that the best you can do?

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

You talked about rising costs in Msia. So you think your situation is worst off than in Sickapoor? Since you claimed you read alot fm the press/blog and what have you. I uneducated lot. So cant produce much evidence. Maybe you show us some statistic to prove your point?

of course i think my situation is worse than singapore! why do you think i'm saving money and planning to migrate? did you not understand my earlier posts? pls read end of post 420 to refresh your memory and stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

my goodness, now that i re-read your post again, i realise i'm fighting a losing battle here. you're one of those singaporeans who know how to complain becos all ur other frens are complaining the same thing but dunno the real reason why you are complaining. no matter what reasons or statistics i produce, you will still say i am wrong and blah blah, and singapore is a worse off place than malaysia and no matter what the sg govt do, the sg citizens always will find something to complain. damn if u do, damn if you don't. i pity the sg govt, no wonder they want to get higher salary to face their citizens. who want to do this kind of thankless job?

but i do continue to encourage you to continue ranting about ur foreign policies and how the sg govt is treating you lot badly with their policies and taunt us malaysians why we are so stupid to hold on our citienships when we shud be jumping to sg. and the best part is come next election, YOU will still vote for PAP. and the process repeats again. am i right mr. singaporean?

u mentioned in your earlier post that we malaysians shud be grateful that we are not indon? i think u instead should reflect on what u said and be grateful u are not malaysian. think about it.

i'm not here to justify what your sg govt does is fair or unfair and i don't have to cos i'm not a singaporean, all i'm trying to say to you or get across a message through your thick skull is that they are still doing a better job than malaysia govt, so just be thankful. i just can't stand whiny singaporeans for some reason and those not whiny ones already migrated to australia, NZ and USA.

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Joseph81

I believe Freedom referred here is about littering, spitting, urinating without flushing,smoking etc...yes in Malaysia we have plenty of rules and regulation but short of enforcement, practically one can get away with the offenses but may I ask why would u like to do all those undesired act?

lol. joseph my brother, i believe u are from malaysia. so i shall answer u on your question. the sg govt is not stupid. they know singaporeans can be ruled with an iron fist. do this, do that, have 2 kids, speak mandarin, smile when the overseas IMF delegates arrive in sg and etc. its actually a favourite joke amongst me and my singaporean frens.

the fact is singaporeans are too used to following what the govt says. singaporeans are always on auto pilot mode. they think that what the govt say must be right, that's why our fren xdecepticon still voting for PAP. But see now, their service standard has improved so much after all those complaints! i go singapore shopping also feel like a king even though my pocket is empty.


once u have ur "freedom", then u will see the difference. litter all u want, spit all u want, urine all u want. Be a slob, who cares? then u will see that the standard of living decreases. compare our private condos and singapore condos, i also feel shameful. it's like comparing mud and clear water.

certain restrictions are necessary because humans by nature are lazy, although at times such restrictions seem like an infringement on freedom. if singaporeans didn't spit or litter in the early days, the govt wouldnt' have to impose such laws. the smoking ban is a decision which will benefit the population in the long run health wise and money wise. even in europe where human rights are strong, they are following suit. we want to move towards a better life, not regress. as xdecepticon always wants me to prove my point with statistics, you should also know doctors have proven that second hand smokers have a higher risk of developing cancer than smokers.

i think freedom is a very big word, depends on what areas you are talking about. there is no generalised answer for whether freedom is good or not.

by the way, u mentioned its an undesirable act? then why is malaysia still such a dirty place?

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

Someone just zapped me 3 points and left tis msg:

06-01-2008 03:15 AM Malyasia Boleh!!!Wawasan 2020!!!Singapore only
LKY nothing much to shout..


Anyway, I dont have to stoop so low like jeffkl. I dont even have to curse or hurl vulgarities at your Msian zapper. Ya, Malaysia Boleh, alright.

sorry if a malaysian zapped you for no good reason. on behalf of the country we apologise to you. again, pls dun automatically assume i am one of them. it;s a bad habit of yours.i didn't stoop low or zap you. if i could, i would like to give u points, but then again, i not qualified to give u points.

i didn't know retard and moron are vulgarities. if so, again i apologise if i hurt ur fragile ego. i believe the word moronic should also be a vulgar word then by your own standards. So since i've apologised, i assure that from now onwards, only you now have the sole right to hurl vulgarities at me. be my guest, i don't care.

[surbana]

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

Someone just zapped me 3 points and left tis msg:

06-01-2008 03:15 AM Malyasia Boleh!!!Wawasan 2020!!!Singapore only
LKY nothing much to shout..


Anyway, I dont have to stoop so low like jeffkl. I dont even have to curse or hurl vulgarities at your Msian zapper. Ya, Malaysia Boleh, alright.

Vision 2020 ??Left about 12 years from now .Still cant see any much progress in JB.

[Orgasmic]

actually, i donno how come people can think malaysia is better than singapore.

if u are earning money in singapore and spending in jb, of course people will say malaysia is the best.

however, i think it will be fair to say something if u have tried living in malaysia and singapore. the difference is definitely there.

dont talk so much into politics or economy, ask yourself, if u can choose, would u wanna be seen with a singapore passport or a malaysian one?

for me, the fact that i tell people i am malaysian and drive a malaysian car in malaysia and abandon my singapore car is not because i am pai-seh to tell people i am singaporean. it is more due to being integrated with the society up north because when someone knows u are a tourist, they will wanna rob u and find trouble for u more than if they know u are malaysian.

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

Someone just zapped me 3 points and left tis msg:

06-01-2008 03:15 AM Malyasia Boleh!!!Wawasan 2020!!!Singapore only
LKY nothing much to shout..


Anyway, I dont have to stoop so low like jeffkl. I dont even have to curse or hurl vulgarities at your Msian zapper. Ya, Malaysia Boleh, alright.

thanks alot to J S and G B for your up points. you know who you are. i now qualify to give back points. i will give back my humble 3 points to xdecep who got zapped.

for the person who zapped me and never leave name, to each his own opinion. if you can prove me otherwise, you're always welcome to have a discussion here online.

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Orgasmic

actually, i donno how come people can think malaysia is better than singapore.

if u are earning money in singapore and spending in jb, of course people will say malaysia is the best.

however, i think it will be fair to say something if u have tried living in malaysia and singapore. the difference is definitely there.

dont talk so much into politics or economy, ask yourself, if u can choose, would u wanna be seen with a singapore passport or a malaysian one?

for me, the fact that i tell people i am malaysian and drive a malaysian car in malaysia and abandon my singapore car is not because i am pai-seh to tell people i am singaporean. it is more due to being integrated with the society up north because when someone knows u are a tourist, they will wanna rob u and find trouble for u more than if they know u are malaysian.

haha, bro i can empathise your situation. 3 years ago, my sg good fren drove up to taiping for CNY holiday with his family. he was driving a Scooby WRX. He told me he felt so uncomfortable with all those funny stares he received. It's like every souped up ah beng proton wira also want to challenge him to race on the roads. You know lah, tailgating and revving up the engine at the side. His wife also scared to shit. I feel your discomfort too man.

[HY1209]

That's why I always ppl to avoid jb where possible.

In the early 90's when i was a technician, my office offen send me to JB (tampoi). The company i worked in has a big factory there for full production of hard disk related products. When they hit a technicial problem with the machines, we will have to go service it. Trips to the factory was own time own target kind of arrangement.

To save money, will take public transport in the morning. After the passport is stamped, will take a short walk to the main road to take a cab to factory as told by seniors. From the imigration to the main road, i was robbed few times.

First,

1 guy, skinney and tanned walk towards me and toldme without warning:

'Ah TEE, lai lai. Last nite there was a incident behind the coffee shop and my friend has identified you as the culprit!'. For a moment, i was shocked. New and fresh and green into the working world, scared and LL listen.
I denied but that fellow pointed to a fruit knife that he was holding. More LL.
I asked him what incident and he told me his gang brother's gf got raped last night!!!!!!!! I told him i just arrived 10min ago. He told me to shut up some more.

He told me don't worry, just follow me to the coffee shop and wait for lau da to come and solve the problem. with his knife in his hand, and another over my shoulder, he accompanied me to the coffee shop. All these while, many ppl passed me and no one bother.

At the coffee shop asked me to treat him breakfast and coffee and will say good thing for me when lau ta arrive.

Waited for 1 hour and the lau ta still never appear. Pager kept beeping.

Then he told me this: bro. i help you, you help me. How much you have, why you in malaysia?.' Told him work and have at most 50 to 60sing. Asked me open the wallets and show him. When he saw my wallet, he curse and fuck at me for being a poor ass! Then he requested for 50 and told me to keep the 15 balance as transport back. He let me off soon saying that he will expain to lau ta that i was not the one after interogating me.

Go factory kena fucked by the manager for being so late. told him the story and he say normal. they are drug addict, next time ignore them or give themRM 5 will do!


After that incident, there were few other occassion, but different guys. All have the same charateristic: skinny!

Their few tag lines:\

My friend girl got raped/molested last night
My brother was assualted lat night
My brother's sister got bullied last night
My brother bike got stolen last night
My brother say you stared at him last nite
etc......followed by, we suspect you are the culprit and wait for lau ta to settle.

Will tell them, you help me, just arrived this morning. Here's some coffee money (RM5). thank you. and just walk away. Sometimes I just ignore and walk off.

thinking back, i feel stupid to give in. But at that time really green, so no choice. These loser robbers are some weak that i think i single punch will make them lay flat on the ground. But we are not sure how many of their buddy are looking out!

There are some other incidents of small time robbery in JB that happened to me. Will share when free

[Joseph81]

There's a famous quote from a JB guy, "If u've never been robbed in JB then u r definitely not a JB guy"

[Joseph81]

Originally Posted by JeffKL

by the way, u mentioned its an undesirable act? then why is malaysia still such a dirty place?

Malaysia is still a dirty place because lack of enforcement, even if there was, one will need a few RM10 to bribe the officers.

Fyi, Singaporean are not the obedient type, I was told when they come over to Malaysia, they couldn't resist the FREEDOM to smoke anywhere they like, not sure about other undesired act

[Xdecepticon]

Lol. Just cos your fam still in spore and you working in msia, you start giving me lectures on foreign policies? Let me remind you theres no winner or loser here and I never once in my posts claim that i am gung ho and I am the winner. You are indeed a weird/combative guy who like to assume things and putting words in ppl mouth.

Let me humbly declare that I know nuts about Msia politics or policies. Happy? But wait, dont for a sec think you have won. Since you claimed you know so much about Spore economy and policies, especially foreign policies, I hope you dont beat about the bush, come straight to the point and answer my questions.

1. The example with rgds to the 3 GRO scenario. Tell me in what way these so- called 3 foreign talents benefitted the so many unemployed diploma holders who also qualified for the above posts.

2. And how about other professional posts like bank officers, system analyst etc? Why are those post not given to Singaporeans? Plse hor. Dont be like those Ministers who bray like donkeys fooling us by saying we are fussy about pay. $2k - $3K and above mind you. I dont think any stupid fools would turn down such pay especially if you are unemployed in this very stressful, hectic and competitive environment.

You dont need to be a diploma or degree holders to understand what foreign policies all about. Yes! If it benefit the economy. Yes! If it benefit you or me and those unemployed. Sure, you would say no such policy would benefit every one. But we are talking about bread and butter issue. Now how would you feel if your neighbour, rented out to employment pass or work permit holders and holding professional jobs. But some of your family members unemployed, holding diplomas and above, been searching for jobs past 6 mths or so and yet couldnt get a full time job? We are not even talking above 30 yrs of age ok?

So my question to you Mr Smart Alac "Singaporean", may you be the spokeman for Sick&poor garment since you praised the garment sky high. Just answer the above issue. Alot more such issues up my sleeves like rising costs but I am also too tired to argue with you. We can argue till the cows come home and there will still be no winner or loser. All i can say is theres pro and cons staying msia or spore.

[Xdecepticon]

Originally Posted by JeffKL

sorry if a malaysian zapped you for no good reason. on behalf of the country we apologise to you. again, pls dun automatically assume i am one of them. it;s a bad habit of yours.i didn't stoop low or zap you. if i could, i would like to give u points, but then again, i not qualified to give u points.

You really macam pot calling the kettle black. Its you who always like to assume things. Smart alac like you always anyOhow accused ppl. Look..

"Anyway, I dont have to stoop so low like jeffkl. I dont even have to curse or hurl vulgarities at your Msian zapper. Ya, Malaysia Boleh, alright".

Did I insinuate it was you in any way? In fact I did specify "your Msian Zapper". Maybe you need to have a new spec.

Originally Posted by JeffKL

i didn't know retard and moron are vulgarities. if so, again i apologise if i hurt ur fragile ego. i believe the word moronic should also be a vulgar word then by your own standards. So since i've apologised, i assure that from now onwards, only you now have the sole right to hurl vulgarities at me. be my guest, i don't care.

You sure the word "tiu" is not vulgarities? Want to check with BOSS? Your very first posting was directed to me with such flowery remark. Nothing to do with image here. But certainly speaks volume of what kind of person I am discussing with.

"Moronic" is a vulgar word? I leave that to the readers to decide whether "tiu" or "Moronic" are vulgarities...

Your apology accepted and its not my principle to hurl abuses or vulgarities at anyone lest you. And also my purpose for coming to your "turf" is not to start an arguement but mere discussion. Look like I discussed with the wrong person. I rather discuss with one Msian bro here by the name of PROFESSOROOKAMI. A very learned bro I must say.

[Xdecepticon]

Originally Posted by JeffKL

thanks alot to J S and G B for your up points. you know who you are. i now qualify to give back points. i will give back my humble 3 points to xdecep who got zapped.

Actually its not necessary to up my points. We dont owe each other anything. Anyway I already reciprocate with my 3 humble points too. So we are even now.

Bro Jdc, tks for those points.

[Xdecepticon]

Originally Posted by surbana

Vision 2020 ??Left about 12 years from now .Still cant see any much progress in JB.

Bro, Msia is a big country. Unlike Sick&poor which is just an island.

[JeffKL]

Originally Posted by Xdecepticon

So my question to you Mr Smart Alac "Singaporean", may you be the spokeman for Sick&poor garment since you praised the garment sky high. Just answer the above issue. Alot more such issues up my sleeves like rising costs but I am also too tired to argue with you. We can argue till the cows come home and there will still be no winner or loser. All i can say is theres pro and cons staying msia or spore.

haha. mr singaporean, now look who's starting to provoke who. I'm not a smart alac singaporean, so pls don't start giving me unecessary names. if you are sincere in your arguement and want to cut short the mind games, i suggest you start acting sincere when you say u want to have an intellectual debate here.

in the first place, u haven't even answered my post, and now u want me to start answering your post? if u can't remember or u always like to have selective reading, pls look at post 424 again. i don't like people who sidestep my challenge for an answer and you coming to me with your questions and want me "again" to tell you what already has been discussed in the earlier posts. waste of bandwidth.

i don't think i'm qualified to give anyone a lecture on foreign policies, but it seems to me your understanding of the BIG picture is found wanting. hence, pls dun get offended when i start explaining some stuff to you about foriegn policies.

since you don't like to answer my questions, it looks like i got no choice but to have to answer yours, so as to show my sincerity. as usual, as in the last few posts, i always have to give in to your unusual demands because that's how an adult behaves.

1) If you like to read and believe everything a newspaper says, by all means go ahead. what i'm saying is that you should read a govt controlled media and think to yourself what is the govt trying to tell u? so u believe everything straits times say? why don't u start believing that the foreign policy is good? isn't that in the newspaper too? you are selective in your reading, believe in bad things, dun believe in good things.

HOW the heck should i know or should i even care if that 3 GRO are foriegners? maybe they got hotel management degree? they got exp in working in hotel management? how the fish i know?do i want to know? NO i DON'T! you know why? cos it's their problem! not mine!

Maybe the other diploma holders not suitable for the job? have you thought about it? maybe your fren looks ugly and the hotel management industry is all about pretty looking pan-asian looking girls?? how the heck i know??! are you going to blame the govt for selecting pan asian looking girls for tv and magazine models? why? singapore girls not pretty enuff isit? how the fish i know what they are looking for in an employee? why don't you go ask the hotel, what are their requirements?

maybe it's becos hotels need foreign speaking employees? who can speak euro languages? and the BEST your diploma frens can speak is hokkien and singlish? Have you thought about it? As i have repeated many times in my previous posts, there can be many reasons! and i am not here to give you reasons or to satisfy your ego! do you even know what a stupid question you are asking me?

i already mentioned in my earlier post.. sg economy is all about manpower and talents cos sg is an island with no natural resources as you already admitted in your previous post! its a simple case of SUPPLY & DEMAND! the best job applicant wins!! SIMPLE as THAT! get that into your head!stop questioning me why your loser poly frens did not get a job and why do i keep having to justify their loss?

WHY don't you start telling me what is so GOOD about your frens that they deserve the job MORE than the foreign talent for a start? DO you EVEN know what the hotel is looking for in an employee? Can you answer me that question?? amongst other question which u havent even start answering me?? and here u got the cheek to again want me to answer your pathetic questions?

qualified? HOW sure are u ur frens qualify? IN terms of relevant degree? in terms of experience? in terms of other skills such as ability to speak foreign language and understand foreign customs? in terms of networking aka ability to get in business cos of foreign connections? just becos they are singaporeans they shud be more qualified than others? is this how you measure a job applicant? i cannot believe it? if u are the HR manager, i think ur top management will faint!Prove to me for a start that your frens deserve the job more than the other foreign talents! if not, stop assuming things !

why? your frens got NO other industry to go into except hotel industry only is it? is this what you are telling me? if they can't get into this hotel, is this the only hotel in the whole of SINGAPORE? you so sure they tried all the other hotels and not even one bothered to interview them becos they are singaporeans? u so SURE that there are no singaporean GROs in other hotels? i tot u like people to give you STATISTICS? why don't u back up ur claim with statistics? Just becos one hotel got 3 foreign GROs, u make such a big fuss about it!

as for question 2) pls read my answer above carefully and use your common sense. as i already said, it's a matter of SUPPLY & DEMAND! PERIOD! I am a manager too. when i interview an applicant, i don't care if he indian or malay or chinese or half malay half indian! it doesn't matter! what matters is whether this bugger got the right qualifications and whether his exp or market connections can help my company grow! simple as that! there is no secret agenda at all! why are you so paranoid?!

if he is a fresh grad, i will look at his grades and ECA and family background and talk to him about his concept of a working life and ask him how his attitude in working life can help contribute to the goodness and growth of a company! if he give me that sloppy answer and expect to work from 9 to 5 and only do the things without having extra initiative, you can have him as your staff! i dun care if he foreign talent or singaporean, all i want is a good worker!! who got brains! who got common sense! who can see the facts and formulate a logical opinion!

haha, so u think your diploma should earn you 2 - 3k? are you even a manager? do you know what the market is like out there? if i were a diploma holder, i dun care if the pay is less than 2k. u know why? cos i know for a fact that in this stressful and competitive environment as you have already admitted, being unemployed is not a good thing. so why can't i take a lower paying job, stop comparing with others, gain my experience and build up my marketing connections, then find a right opportunity to jump company!! that should be the way!! not comparing with others la, complain malaysians with EP get the high pays la, everyday only know how to compare and compare, but never stop to see whether u got the quality to even dream of such jobs in the first place. compare somemore la! no wonder got no time to look for jobs.

you asked me how would i feel if i found my neighbour is a malaysian, holding EP and getting a higher pay than me? for a start, why dont u tell me WHAT do you propose you will do if u are in such a situation.. sit around and complain? sit around and blame the govt? sit around and blame ur lousy diploma?

cos if I were in that situation, i will want to get to know my neighbour, make frens with him, ask him how he got the job, and see what diff is there between his qualifications, exp and mine, and see if i can do anything about it to match his qualities, and at the same time, make contact with him and see if there's any similiar job capacities in his or other similiar company so i got chance to jump company!! that's what i will do!! not sit around sammyboy forum and ask me stupid questions like " since u so smart alac singaporean , why dun u tell me how the foreign 3GROs benefit the unemployed singaporean diploma holders?"

again, mr selective reader, i already TOLD you I stated my stand in my earlier posts, i am not here to say sg govt is the BEST! so stop provoking me and say i am PRO singaporean and like to praise govt high high. I am not! please clear your mind and read my post. i already told u i am comparing two sets of govts! and i already said that not all govts are perfect but some govts are better than others! which part of that statement do you not understand?

and if u EVEN want to start a forum on rising cost, i am more than happy to discuss with u the diff between sg and msia. it is true that there are pros and cons living in sg and msia, but i'm telling u now, there are MORE pros staying in sg than in msia, PERIOD! esp for those who are working adults!

and EVEN before you start bombasting me in ur next post with more questions for me to answer, pls start to answer my questions first. i don't like to give people all the answers if they don't even stop to think about the facts i gave them.

and before you continue with your silly tirade about foreign talent and etc, think about this issue. YOUR sg got gives out ASEAN scholarships to the bright students around ASEAN. many of my malaysian schoolmates were receipents of this award, why dun u start clearing ur mind and see what the govt is trying to do? are you again going to tell me it's not fair la, the govt shud give scholarships to sg mediocre students la, the bright students from ASEAN countries shud be allocated to neighbourhood schools instead of premium schools la, why is it that bright malaysian student can enter good schools but my sg fren poor PSLE result go to normal stream or lousy schools la. think about it first before u even start talking. sg talks about meritocracy. that's the name of the game!