Happily Married with an ex WL(VN)

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by JueShiHaoJian

If u are stranded in a foreign country, cannot work... only can work in sex line to survive and eat.... will u do it or will u starve to death.......

May god bless u with your thinking.....

[BoLiang]

Bro Cas, read this thread from page 1 all the way to 32. Pretty impressive and I think you gotten abit of my admiration for pulling this off. Will upz you when I recover.

Kudos mate, nothing is more impt than happiness.

[jackbl]

Cung chúc tân xuân

Phát tài phát phúc

Luôn luôn thành công

Dồi dào sức khỏe

Chúc Ngày tình nhân vui ve

[Maosterz]

Like to thanks the TS for starting this thread.

Hope I can find my own light after reading this thread.

[SammyHulk]

Originally Posted by casannova03

it does not matter what others think and say cos frankly speaking they do not pay you if you listen to them and when they are found to be wrong in the end, they will not compensate you either....So why the hell do i need them to tell me what to do in my life??

This is good stuff. We human are conditioned in such a way that we are mindful about what others say of us, more so in a Chinese society where face value is hold utmost importance. This more or less will shape or influence our thoughts, decisions making and ultimately our actions towards a specific issue, espeically those negative one. To listen only to thyself and not others' except positive or constructive opinions requires some sort of a mental training.

TS's above extract really worth a serious reflection whether or not to choose to listen to others and when to shut off from those unnecessary comments or gossips that will cause damages.

[specko80]

Bro Cassnova

Great thread! Just started reading it today by chance and man, my eyes really tio stamped reading all 32 pages of it!!! But serious, this is a great thread in breaking the notion and silly myth that all Vietnamese girls or more specifically, all WLs are not good etc. In fact, I went clubbing back in Singapore yesterday and found some SG local girls to be more havoc than those WLs working for a living.

I attest to the fact that there will always be some greedy girls out there irregardless of country but then, there will be girls who geninuely are looking for love ...i mean, which girl happily looks forward to kena molested every night by different men?

I am working and living in HCMC now and am happy to have a great gf - honeymoon period now but she's a local uni grad and working in managerial position in hospitality line. She's nagging at me already for bringing her to expensive restaurants in HCMC (what the heck, I am willing to pay and I kena scolding?!?!)...

Ex-WL doesn't matter: what now matters the most is the love to keep lasting and growing each new day. Wish you and your wifey ever bliss and do buzz me if you and her are coming HCMC...always great to catch up with fellow Singaporeans in HCMC...hehe

Now, I am counting down to next Sunday...to return to HCMC...(am back in Singapore for CNY and buay tahan the weather already)...

Chuc Mung Nam Moi to all!!!

[Super White]

Thanks for the info. I don't agree with the encouragement this gives to people to try relationships with WLs, but I am glad yours made it.

... if according to the statistics 10% of WLs can be trusted, plus the 'health' problem also helped in the trust issues - Since it only happens to pron 0.1% of woman at that age, your success is even more miraculous 0.01%

Those angry insulting comments are probably from those who got hurt. They were sharing in their own way.

Cheers to the lucky one!

[hornyness]

any bros can advise me why isit soo addictive to Vietnam pubs? i just started trying out in vn places....now find it damn addictive...wanting to go ther everydae lol...any bros can advise on happening Vietnam pubs...for now..i only go to one in ard gl lor 7...everynight tinking of going there lolol

[BoLiang]

Originally Posted by hornyness

any bros can advise me why isit soo addictive to Vietnam pubs? i just started trying out in vn places....now find it damn addictive...wanting to go ther everydae lol...any bros can advise on happening Vietnam pubs...for now..i only go to one in ard gl lor 7...everynight tinking of going there lolol

cause your being KC by a particular girl? or you like the way they shower you with attention?

Honestly..get some other hobby lor to keep your mind from wandering there lor..

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by hornyness

any bros can advise me why isit soo addictive to Vietnam pubs? i just started trying out in vn places....now find it damn addictive...wanting to go ther everydae lol...any bros can advise on happening Vietnam pubs...for now..i only go to one in ard gl lor 7...everynight tinking of going there lolol

i think u post on the wrong thread... try to post here http://sbf.directory/interna...hread-169.html

[BlackerKnighter]

Been a longtime reader of Bro TS thread. Think it do illustrate how a successful r/s with someone from the commercial sex trade come about.

You will always have my utmost respect and the respect of most bros for the choices you made and for having the courage to see them thru thick and thin.

But then hor fm wat my own eyes see out there any kind of try to have happy ending with whore sort of plot typically is have disastrous n destructive ending. Know a few sucess case and cheer to them but vast majority is head for trouble. Has happened to many people I know. Very sad but wat to do?

Wat I mean to say is that ur example is success but look at detail n circumstance oso hard to translate n replicate to everyone's example. Anyway dun mind me post here coz I onli responding to the somewhat disturbing fairy tale attitude of tis other bro below so borrow ur thread a bit to tok a bit more..

Only sharing a diff view thatz all. If got sumthg to debate why not?

Originally Posted by JueShiHaoJian

bro... see u happily married is great news to single bros.
... but hey WTF, a person should always be judged by their hearts n soul.... not their profession...
..re importantly, u married a WL to be wife not the other way round..
.from wati understand.... When WL really falls in love with u... they will feel ashamed of their profession and will try to return to normal life....

this is the real world... just
.If u are stranded in a foreign country, cannot work... only can work in sex line to survive and eat.... will u do it or will u starve to death.....

..use their body to get incentives.... these woman are down right cheap..... SOOO..... CHEAP..... worst than WL... the most fuck type word in the history of dictionr also cannot describe.... ad if such person is ur wife...

..dun have black marks.... if u fucking tink u are a good person... than u are not human at all.. coz all human will make errors.

Agree that people should be judged by actions and character not stereotype. But here we have one group of people (doesnt matter what den they operate out of, the farm they hail from or the stock they are bred from) in an sumwat unique occupation that enable them to gain advantage of others.....so even if individual variation happen, if you gong gong go in think "open minded" give 'benefit of doubt" to every single broad believe everything and take lies as truth how you think the outcome usually is?

And if that is the case I think anyone venturing into the scene oso ought to know wat they are potentially going into and to be careful and weary right from the start. Dun believe jus hear it fm those fallen bros who kana left, right center!!

Must say that when fools n morons tio fleece you oso got to ask who more at fault: the kways doing the con job or the idiots who willingly deceive themselves to buy illusion? To me hor before you attempt to pass the buck always ask urself if you got lie to yourself first mah! If not blame who the most? Coz u got CHOICE oso leh.

The commercial sex scene is not a love market or part of the dating game. People by and large do NOT EVER come here to look for GF or partner or watever (n no typical whore is looking for real love during work either, at most a passport out). It is just a ultra short term sexxtisfaction thg. Like it or not its the iron truth and any loser who ventures into this scene for EXPRESS purpose of finding a life long partner or looking for 'love' is seriousy going to get burnt lor.

Keep it at F&F and the honesty and respect between patron and provider is clear. Because the lines neatly drawn. No baggage no bullshit. Go on a RTF rampage and you'll see the scale tipping lor. How much of the BS can you believe? All the lovey dovey fake romance crap make ur hair stand kind they oso say to every blardy customer they think got chance of promo to chye tow status so how can anyone lap it all up like its golden true?

Can you blame the whores? Yes and No. Talk to one and try to befriend beyond the usual KC traps and you'll hear them admit candidly if they can be lulled into letting their own self guard down that they cannot trust cheongsters fully coz to them whoremongers are usually lying cheats who play with the bodies and (sometimes) feelings of women (in general but whores specifically).

Thus while they are human like everyone else and do oso want to belong, the smart ones usually try to get their REAL love (n not just chye tow $$$$ support) from o/s the scene. GFE? KC? its juz WORK to them and there is no LOVE or even affection in their wk. In that sense maybe expected but the way some of the really conniving ones manipulate oso go beyond wayang and show n tell lah. When you play with the other party's family and career etc without taking any responsibility I think its plain wrong, selfish and devious lor.

Nevertheless hor..Judge a person for who she IS and oso not who she WAS. People change. An ex-whore is NOT a whore (though my experience tell me the past can still skrew them up ) so if you marry someone formerly a prostitute dun see how it is major issue as long as both party sincre n honest. If you look down on hookers then wat for you look for a partner in this scene only to ridicule and hurt their dignity esp aftr they leave past behind? For same reason, ex-whores oso prefer to pick a clean slate non-whoremonger partner. Make sense mah.

Thus one of the main circumstance to make a r/s work with a whore is for her to actually be a ex-whore right from beginning! Past becomes immaterial as long as old habits do not revert and become issue (unless you can be totally understanding of her continuing commercial pussy status but dat is another kind of semi-'r/s' altogether and most pbly not long-term meant or end in marriage kind). If not then next best alt is to make her an ex-whore soon. But actually in that case the more important thing is to remove the commercial (MONEY FOR SEX) from the r/s. If you treat a kway like a princess showering her with material stuff, only reinforce the fact that she is a toy cum plaything n tat the thg is just another commercial exchange. Real love cannot juz be so simplistic kind right? Look at Bro TS experience and you'll see wat i mean..

Marriage even if not for life is an impt milestone so choose ur partners wisely. Whether she kway or not there has to be trust and sincerity.

So no trust no sincerity how? My point is just that most punters in so-call 'r/s' with whores havent even got 1/10 of the distance there. They throw money & gifts and think it will move hearts but realy can meh? Still stuck in a simple kio kway contract with enhanced GFE(and higher renumeration)! The whole BS is still based on lies and illusions plus a calculative exchange so how to work? Due to nature and opportunities of job kways just treat punters as money trees. And Commercial sex make men tink money can buy fake sub fr real affection. Unfortunately real r/s and love need both side on same page leh! If its so easy to find 'love' with kways you won't see all the horror stories in tis forum or the adult discussion side liao.

Life isnt a fairy tale. It is tough work!!

Anyway bro, you urself say being a kway might not be so honorable and proud n be ashamed coz its black mark yet you imply that whores are oso pitiful victims? 'Victim'..realli meh? Dont make sense coz almost ALL whores you see in Sg (true for locals and definitely even more true for imports)have a choice! Money problems? Family distress. Always got alt! Taking the easy n fast routes out dont make it a situation of being cornered or 'forced' leh.

Whether its VN or PRC population so big so many are poor yet how many choose to be whores? In the big pic, not many AT ALL leh..so how you explain?? "stranded' in a foreign country? Erm..these kways choose to come here to sell their bodies for easy money watever the reason..so the situation oso large extent is THEIR choosing leh!like it or not, individual sob story (fake or not) and watever moral or right/wrong involved(everyone ownself decide) you CANNOT say that they no CHOICE. It is something they choose and whether shame or glory they oso got to live with it. Same thing goes for whoremonging cheongsters who choose their lifestyle tio bo?

No need to look down but no need to pretend that they are MORE than wat they are oso lah. Works for both cheongster and kways.

And as for ur remark about 'normal' women in gd profession who sell their bodies to get ahead, ahem, they are all whores too right? only thing is that they get the opportunity to be a lot more SELECTIVE about who gets to bonk them in orderto achieve their (more expensive?) goals. Shameful or cheap I'd rather not judge coz I believe if itz selling pride n dignity then even more true for the pro end of the whore spectrum, not meh?

Oso a bit contradictory lah. You say we should forgive n forget and that who doesnt have a black mark..yet ur remarks about these corporate sluts n whores oso like angry sial..so no point getting so worked up ma!

End of day every r/s and every person is diff.But if you choose to place urself in a box and behave like a parasite the box indictate oso hard for anyone to respect or take u seriously.

But since tis IS a kway scene thing, agree best to leave out morals n other BS talk of gd/bad.

R/s..They come and go, flourish and fail for a variety of reasons, whether you are involved with a whore, ex-whore or not. But having said that, dun ever mistake a commercial contract for something else. Dun ever think you will get more than wat u paid n bargained for if it is a dollars and cents bang. Coz that kinda thing isnt even a 'r/s' but something made to look like one. Nothing real so nothing to cry over la. Just be sad if you kana trick to give up anything precious to pursue such delusion and illusion.

Which is oso why I applaud bro TS story. Truly a rare gem in a sea of broken glass and BS.

[JueShiHaoJian]

bro blackerknighter i know wat u mean and wat other bros means when they advised not to be KC.

For me is i dun treat WL as cheap persons.... i would treat them with certain respect.... coz they are still human....

therefore, to me is treat others the way u wan others to treat u....

i would not think the same for all WL in Sg.. some kana cheated to sell in SG... some willingly come SG to sell....

U r saying not to believe WL... in case KC... or they r only bluffing and lying through their teeth....

maybe u are not there yet to see the many facet of life or individual.... people who can tell a lie and pretend that it is a matter of fact truth.....

how many people have u met.... talk to ..... etc....

i am not 3 yr old.... dun know how to differentiate..... wat i feel is certain bros condammn WL like they are piece of shits.....

for this... if a woman sell her body and this is cheap... then a woman who can have sex with any man is fucking cheap....and there are so much such woman in SG local somemore..... they are nothing but tools for other man to train shoooting.....

i would say tis type of SG woman i condammn more than WL in terms of cheating.....

but after reading... can see u are fair in stating ur grounds in terms of treatment.....

but if u tink.... u never kana poke by needle u never know how the pain feels like... u can always say u know how to drive a car but in reality u dun have licence so how to believe u rite....

tis is wat i mean not all WL are KCing ppl... Like TS bro... he found one he can really grow old with.....

u r individual.... u do wat u want n not wat other ppl wan.... if u tink tis is rite and in reality is not against the law..... then u can still go ahead... coz no one can say u r wrong....... tis is my point of view......

watever happens after tat, u must bear the repercussion if u had done the thing... so if u cannot then dun do it... this is wat i wanted to say..... TS bro done it and he is not afraid to face it..... therefore its Kudos to him.....


i would agreed with u to fuck around like going arcade to play... so after gaming, go home and forget.... tis should be the best situation......

however, the world is real... u r never living in a cyber world..... anything tats going to happen, or is happening, u are not able to control that....

TS bro had write something on his life.... all i feel is he is brave to state it.... so we should give him credit instead of telling him WL is still WL and they will go back to their old ways.... I believed TS bro is smart enough to know wat he is in for..... as written, TS bro is ready to accept wat was to come in the future....


wat u say is still true when some r chasing the illusion..... provided by WLs.... i can only say the ppl Kana KC by whoever...... is suay..... stupid or not it not for others to coment but for himself to know....

[BlackerKnighter]

Originally Posted by JueShiHaoJian

For me is i dun treat WL as cheap persons.... i would treat them with certain respect.... coz they are still human....

i would not think the same for all WL in Sg.. some kana cheated to sell in SG... some willingly come SG to sell....

..wat i feel is certain bros condammn WL like they are piece of shits.....

for this... if a woman sell her body and this is cheap... then a woman who can have sex with any man is fucking cheap....and there are so much such woman in SG local somemore..... they are nothing but tools for other man to train shoooting.....

i would say tis type of SG woman i condammn more than WL in terms of cheating.....

watever happens after tat, u must bear the repercussion if u had done the thing... so if u cannot then dun do it... this is wat i wanted to say..... TS bro done it and he is not afraid to face it..... therefore its Kudos to him.....

wat u say is still true when some r chasing the illusion..... provided by WLs.... i can only say the ppl Kana KC by whoever...... is suay..... stupid or not it not for others to coment but for himself to know....

Hello Bro,

Paisay if I rub you off wrong way any way but I can see we agree more than disagree lah. And like I always believe even if disagree no big deal tis is public forum we all have our views and if other people disagree they point out tis or tat and up to anyone to reply or share or watever.. tis is how you have dialogue n debate mah!

Well certainly we SHOULD and OUGHT to treat whores or any person we deal with no mater wat we tink of his/her occcupation with minimun of respect. We all HUMAN born of HUMAN parents.....you cannot get a cat or dog to be a commercial pussy or roadsweeper or doctor or MP tio boh? So THAT has to be the basic standard!

Still my point is that you have this group of people (certain professional whores to make things clear) whom you give leeway beyond F&F principle they wil try to KC left , right, center and I see from my frenz & acquaintance tis is irregradless the tio sng party married, have children or other family responsibilities etc or wat....seriously the WAYANG and GOLD-DIGGING bit I can totally tahan n even understand coz its a job, onli a means to an end for the broad but when u play wif people's (no doubt they kum gong to fall prey or betray watever thing they have la) lives like tat or puppet & toy n dun feel remorse or responsibility kind then I dun think the hooker can play herrself as 'victim' or 'passerby doing job' liao.. RESPECT? two way street la..you dun show other people or YOURSELF any how you expect others to show to you?

Even if you dun treat these people as subhuman or disgusting (no way I say you should under any circumstance) you think it is okay to put them up there as machiam angel or saint or victim or snow white or cinderella? Fantasy go no where one leh..So Any moron who holds that attitude is bound to tio con big time la! Someone treats you as less than human and you still wan to believe she is mother Theresa cannot be tio boh?

Sob story? No choice? Many countless other people AROUND THE WORLD oso like dat you dun see them doing things that MAY compromise dignity n self respect and then afterward claim they tio 'force' into 'betraying' themself si boh? Got alternative one and many people suffer and be poor but still can hold head up high (since u imply being kway is dishonorable job). Not to say hooker extra demeaning (my own position is quite neutral) but KWAY only means need special standard, special allowance and special compassion meh? Wat...Their snapping pussy that ridiculously strong that we can forgo any reasonable thinking n gd sense? Rubbish lor...people have free CHOICE so no point pushing responsibility and blame around.

There are FAR WORST cases of abuse, neglect etc among honest, hardworking and lawabiding foreign workers in construction, ship building etc industries in sinkland but cheongster got spare look on them one sec anot? And even if its okay not to blame anyone how can some kway's case then be extra special juz coz got pretty face and nice tight pussy for hire?

I know some fuckers treat whores like pieces of shit and I will never agree with that. But treat them as poor special victims or like guanying kind for wat oso? Esp coming from whoremongers (i.e the exploiters leh)? No meaning lah. If you then oso put into tis perspective the KC moneygrubbing BS pulled out by so many of them in return ermmm I donch know how anyone can say they deserve ANY extra compassion n care lor.

To me sex is sex. It can be the utmost intimacy between 2 people . But It can oso be a commodity if got willing buyer willing seller..but need not be so of cos. There are people who sleep around for a variety of reasons and NOT all of them are whores (or even sluts) though some might be (whether professional kways or juz people who use sex as a key or ladder). Well maybe we disagree but I encountered enough to b discerning to tell wat is a whore and wat isnt lor. And distinction might not be important to you or anyone but still plain obvious even if slippery to me. To compare some (coz each case diff n dunno which kind u kana) to whores or to say is cheap n lower..well, that is juz a bit of a contradictory thing since these people oso need NOT (n of coz most are not lar) be full-time professionally into selling bodies or souls (by give fake GFE n other KC tricks etc) to con watever objective. When you treat people explicitly like tools then no point play victim when reverse happen tio boh?

Like I said, right or wrong, every whore n whoremonger will one day have to be responsible and accoountable for their own choice one lar.

If you think nothing wrong, well then, nothing wrong lor coz no one least of all me is going to make tis kway biz into some moral debate! Cos in the end all of us will just hit a gray zone liao lah!

I sstill maintain TS case is special and he has given more than enough clue n details to show how tis is diff from ur TYPICAL KC case to make it worthy of a tale tat wins kudos.

Anyway watever certain other malicious pricks have written I definitely believe dear Bro TS is in control of himself n his situation and that there is enough CLEAR n PRESENT evidence to demonstrate that his r/s is a 'normal' one and not some BS fantasy pseudo-'r/s' some idiots entertain with a whore. His other half is NOT a whore fr a LONG time oredi n its definitely not fair to judge (since there is no evidence to the contrary) that she still has that hooker KC con job mentality at all. Its very discourteous to tok like dat la.

Can we say the same for the VAST MAJORITY of make believe 'r/s' crap that many cheongsters have with whores? I can only speak fm wat I know n have seen & the answer is a CLEAR 'NO' lor.

If you are a player you will oso know tat BS cannot walk the talk one la.

It is true that even with r/s with so-call-normal other half can be illusion and BS too. But to all bros wanting to jump into the fray with a kway with any degree of seriousness (coz if not serious then obviously donch have to worri lah.....bullshit cannot turn into gold ma), you really have to examine all the OBVIOUS truth n evidence staring at you in the face lor. If you know it is BS illusion then still go in believe u reach paradise and still lie to urself ultimately whose fault izit???

You cannot buy a fake and pretend it is real and expect it to work like it is real. Fantasy and real life is quite diff.

Anyway Bro TS sorry for taking ur thread to TCSS..will zip up and hand back to u liao lor!

[casannova03]

No problems... interesting read...But i have no time to say my piece....I wil do so as soon as i can... been really busy lately....

In the meantime, do feel free to use my thread for discussion of related topics.... I am fine with it... Thks!!

[JueShiHaoJian]

bro blackerknighter a lot of samsters here is truly smart..... coz most of us will know when WL want to try KC us..... i mean u know wat i mean......


some kana KC... i believe is they looking for the professional care and concern they had been missing for donkey years.....

when this care and concern from WL disappear, then they du lan...... but man is man... we are always cleverer than woman...... its only whether we tink properly. before action...... hahahaha.... sometime.... the 2nd head takes over control........ thus, woman always view man as easily eaten.....

to put it simply.... i am someone who had seen a hell lot of things that happens where a lot of others had not had the chance to experience.....

If u have a chance to know me, meet me and talk with me face to face..... adn know who i really am.....i believe u will understand all that i had said is the truth..... that is IF u have the chance.....


same here sorry TS bro... to take up ur thread for tis discussion session....