My Fillial Daughter

[bollocksman]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Actually its just a topic which I think its worth touching on.
We often only read about how KC the girls are, how men fall into love traps, how men fall head over heels over them. But this topic will bring another perspective on how we see things.

It's not something that the normal Joe sees. What is posted is the truth. Knowing something extra don't harm the readers. But of course, i don't encourage people upon seeing the happenings in this thread to give their "sympathies" to the girls.

It shouldn't be seen in that way of light. It should be seen as learning more about the culture which we don't see in our Singapore Society.

SC

Its been a while, and I see this dicussion thread becoming a "Hot" topic.

here are some personal observations gained from my trips and interactions with TGs (WLs mostly) and more recently even Non WLs.

I ask why they prefer daughters or girls , cos girls and daughters tend to take care of their family even if They are married off , they always have thier own family in mind (until they have their own children). Boys /sons once married just need to take care of wife and new family, and do what they want.

[Snuber]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Actually its just a topic which I think its worth touching on.
We often only read about how KC the girls are, how men fall into love traps, how men fall head over heels over them. But this topic will bring another perspective on how we see things.

Definitely! It gives another view to why they are in the trade, or the root of the problem. The other thread of yours has got very extreme views, I would say.

Interesting read which would put this thread in the forefront in this section for the time being!

Feed us with more information quickly, ok? Can't wait to devour more!

[Snuber]

Originally Posted by bollocksman

I ask why they prefer daughters or girls , cos girls and daughters tend to take care of their family even if They are married off , they always have thier own family in mind (until they have their own children). Boys /sons once married just need to take care of wife and new family, and do what they want.

I don't think only the TGs do that, in fact everyone does that.

It's the basic family values that is in us. Perhaps it's being "burnt" into them that the values are being over-empasized?

[Sornporn]

Originally Posted by yomun

What is not sensitive in this day and age? Eating chicken is also 'sensitive' due to bird flu. No pun intended. One can choose to eat while some abstain.

It is sensitive because it's the root of the problem. If you consider this topic taboo. You can participate on non taboo topics on other threads.

Eating chicken not sensitive to me. Is still eat lots of chicken and eggs during bird flu. Sars also go out. The media here always over act lah.

[sibaysong4u]

Originally Posted by Sornporn

Eating chicken not sensitive to me. Is still eat lots of chicken and eggs during bird flu. Sars also go out. The media here always over act lah.

If afraid then take Tamiflu,its against birdflu.

[Luna]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

It comes as no surprise if some samsters may be thinking of having a WL for a life partner (of course, the WL be stop working after that).

Seriously, i got one late 30s colleague also have a ex-WL wife. That was during his NS time to thai. I also felt very encouraging to hear his story. But i need to remember, that was years ago type of culture. It is not easy to find another one that is really so willing to let go everything and stay in S'pore with you. At least they still got go to GM to breath some thai air there.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by Snuber

Definitely! It gives another view to why they are in the trade, or the root of the problem. The other thread of yours has got very extreme views, I would say.

"Extreme views" depending on how one sees it. Although I would like to put the disclaimer that not all TGs are like what is said. Some are better while some are worst.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

It's a "culture" to them which even if they are the smarter ones, there's no saying "enough is enough".

If you tried to teach them to understand about fairness, etc or that they should think for themselves and not let the family live off them unfairly, you will be branded by them as trying to break her from her family.

Try to understand, that many of them has also gone into unfulfilled relationships both with local guys or foreigns. During such relationship, don't you think the guy would have tried to teach them such matters?

Never say bad things about their FAMILY in front of them, even how bad they are.
Never condemn them. Never stop them from loving a black sheep/s from the FAMILY.

In short, keep the comments close to heart, even if you know it.

I think the bottomline is the "education" part. The "education" part on how to use money wisely. To them using money on gambling, building beautiful houses, buying land and car is considered using money wisely. Certain times yes, certain times not.

I would say that even if one marries a normal TG (non WL), sometimes the FAMILY do come into the picture too.

SC

[siamcutey]

In my opinion, thai girls are very fillial.

They can forgo their dignity, their body, their youth, earn as much money as possible, give their parents. Stupid or Fillial, I can't answer though.

When they reach marriageable age, they forgo marriage, they can forgo those who love them, to earn as much money as possible for their parents. Stupid or Fillial, I can't answer again.

When they decide to "hang up their career", they have crossed their expiry date. They will stay with their parents and take care of them till the parents pass away. How about having a family? They don't think of that. The answer they give you
"My sister and brother have families themselves and they will carry the family line. They have their own families and I being the odd one out will be the one to take care of my Parents."

Stupid or Fillial, I can answer. Fillial to the extend of being stupid.

Hold back your hankies, never shed a single tear over it. Because it happens everywhere especially in povern stricken countries.

SC

[collin_23]

I don't know that their sense of filial piety is so deep but it is all so wrong...sadly...

Have their families no sense of shame? Or is it that all others r doing the same thing? Or simply their mums r ex-WL too? In china little girls r killed at child birth....haiz....is poor an excuse or a reason...I don't know.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by collin_23

I don't know that their sense of filial piety is so deep but it is all so wrong...sadly...

To us, we feel its wrong, to them they feel its right.

SC

[farark]

I have read this thread with great interest and after some thought, would like to offer another point of view to those posted by bro SC. I will do so by looking at the questions posted by SC… I know the info is haphazard, and hope they make sense.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Ever wonder why Thai Girls work in the trade?

Several answers to that… In countries with large income disparities between the rural villages (in Thailand’s case the North and Northeast regions) and the urban centres (namely Bangkok) is huge. An example is the average income of a family in the rural North and Northeast is ฿10,000 – ฿15,000 per annum. In the urban centres, a fresh university graduate will earn a starting salary of between ฿7,000 – ฿10,000 per month (i.e.฿72,000 – ฿120,000 per annum). Therefore the rural family’s annual contribution to the economy is 13% of that of the urban fresh graduate.

Look at the same comparison in Singapore, say a factory worker in Singapore with an income of $800 per month and a fresh graduate with $1,800 per month. The percentage of contribution to the economy by the former vs. the latter is 44%.

The above two statistics tell you that as a more developed economy, our income disparity is less apparent as that of the Thai rural North vs. urban centre.

What this tells you is that obviously job opportunities are lacking in the rural north, be it due to poverty led lack of demand.

Coupled with a high level of illiteracy, these girls have very little chance of getting a job other than working as WLs. Of course there are those who manage to do so and work as office workers (office girls, cleaning ladies, etc.). This will give them a monthly income of no more than ฿5,000. Assuming they spend about half of it on lodging, and daily expenses like food and transport, they would (highly unlikely) send back ฿2,500 per month…

Of course those who are able (due to looks) stand a chance to go into the flesh trade where incomes of ฿50,000 are not impossible.

There are of course those who go into the trade for other reasons, like feeding a drug/alcohol habit (be it themselves or their partners) or a means for quick and easy money.

However, there’s almost always an underlying goal for all WLs – to be the next Julia Roberts ala Pretty Woman and hook a rich man who will take them out of the misery of providing sex for cash.

[farark]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

What common characteristics does the FAMILY have?

In this instance, I assume you’re talking about the Northern/Northeastern rural regions.

The family is usually bigger than that of the urban centres. Being less literate than the urban centres, these unskilled workers are only able to participate in the agriculture sector. However the level of agriculture is usually below subsistence level (i.e. what they plant is barely enough to feed themselves, let alone to sell in the market). The reason for this is because it is believed that the lands there are less fertile than those in the South.

Those who manage to convert cash for their crops are only productive during the harvesting season, which is about 4 months in all!

Where there is a family member who is able (because of minimal schooling, looks, etc.), money would be saved (or borrowed) to send her to work in the urban centres where the income levels are higher.

The said family member, thus becomes the breadwinner of the family.

Another interesting point to note of the rural family, is that don’t be surprised that the father may have 6 kids, who may be born out of more than one woman.

Sometimes, a daughter is a daughter not by birth, but adoption. Assume if the father who had a sibling who died in an accident with his spouse, the father may then adopt and raise the child as his own.

Sometimes this is because he had a fling and decided to take care of the kid who resulted from it. Got to do with some Buddhist thingy or something.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Does the Family knows their daughter is working in the flesh trade?

Contrary to what many WLs would lead us to believe, the families by and large know that their daughters are participating in the flesh trade. They just erase it from their consiousness.

[farark]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

What does the Family do with so much money actually since it comes in every month?

Like a large proportion of minority people living below the poverty line, there is very little idea to the value of money… Having being used to living hand to mouth, the concept of savings elude them, many a times, the money will be spent on alcohol/substance abuse and/or other frivolous items.

Why? Simple, they think that such spendings should be done now, than later as they had suffered throughout the years. They have already spent many years etching out a living, it’s time to enjoy themselves.

A comparison can be made to the North American Indians and Australian Aborigines on this behavioural pattern.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Maybe let me pose a simple question. If today in Singapore, your parents racked up huge amount of gambling debts, will any of you (in the shoes of a daughter) go into the flesh trade to repay all the debts?

In the Singaporean context, if your parents racked up huge amounts of gambling debts, it is not necessary to go into the flesh trade to repay the debts. Why? Because the laws in Singapore allows people to seek the protection of the courts and declare bankruptcy.

Assume a your father has gambling debts totaling $200,000 and his annual income were $30,000, looking at it, if he tries to repay it with half his annual income, it will take him 13 years and four months to repay that debt. Of course, this does not take into account the interest charged by financial institutions/loan sharks. With the former, just declare bankruptcy whereas with the latter, call police, see if the loansharks can do anything against you.

Transporting back to the Thai villager in the North with an income of ฿15,000 pa and debts of ฿200,000. At half his annual income used to repay the loan, the poor bugger (pun intended) would need 26 years 6 months to pay off that loan. Of course this does not take into account of interests charged by loansharks. Financial institutions not mentioned here, because these people cannot secure loans, therefore bankruptcy is not an option. With loansharks, try calling police in the for assistance. They’ll just watch the whole family get slaughtered for non payment, then come in and record another unsolved mystery.

Now, if you were a daughter who through no fault of yours, look slightly presentable and able to make the money as a WL to pay off the debt. Under the second circumstance, would you just say fuck it and let them die (in case you’re there as well, maybe you also die)?

[farark]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

But then since help can come once, the indulgent parents go for more gambling and chalking up more debts (which is most often the case), will you still continue in the trade?[

Parents who continue to chalk up more debts gambling? Some points to note. In many cases, gambling to the poor is an avenue to make it big… To get out of poverty. You may say it’s bullshit, but hey, we’re looking at it from the point of view of the middle-class, not the illiterate and unwashed…

The best example, most punters in the Turf Club, 4D, Toto are probably from the lower income groups in Singapore. Why? As the Jack Neo movie 突然发财 said, you buy 4D, you get 50:50 chance (win:lose) of making it big… You don’t buy, you got no chance. That’s the mentality here…

If you were living in a life of endless work for pittance, what’s that $1 to punt on the next million dollar ticket at the totalisator?

Gambling is their only chance (albeit a mirage) of making it big

We live in an Asian society, unlike Singapore, many other Asian nations with less Western influences still stick to age old traditions of family values. Therefore they may see nothing wrong in providing for their family.

Looking back at what I mentioned about the common characteristics of the Thai family, if the daughter happened to be the bastard daughter born out of the wedlock of her father and step-mother, or she was the adopted daughter, she may use the ability to be the breadwinner to gain favour/status within the family

But what about the rest of the family living in the villages? Shouldn’t they be getting off their sorry asses and start working?

Of course they should, but as mentioned earlier several things may prevent that:

1. That farming is a labour intensive task and therefore manpower needed to tend the family plot.

2. When you eke a living making ฿15,000pa and suddenly the daughter sends back ฿30,000 a month, the windfall would bewilder anybody… How many people you know will take the Toto/4D winnings and save it?

3. Throughout history, the poor who suddenly had money would lavish themselves and their relatives with frivolous spending simply because they suddenly believe they had made it in life, hence the Chinese saying 爆发副. The sudden appearance income would explode their spending power…

4. Imagine you were the next Ronaldo and from the slums of urban Brazil. Your family being illiterate eke out a living begging and/or scavenging for food, whilst your elder brother takes care of the rest making US$20 a month in some mindless job. Your soccer skills are so great that you are offered a contract to play for Real Madrid with a monthly income of US$50,000.

Hate to say this, but you suddenly feel important and take on the role of the breadwinner, why? Because in your mind, the useless son who squandered his time kicking around with a ball suddenly makes good and can provide for the family. You would even ban your brother from working in that godforsaken job of his.

Originally Posted by siamcutey

One would think if you are RICH, this kind of problem will not be a problem at all

I always believe in the adage that the poor will have their problems and so will the rich… Hey, when I first came out to work, I barely had enough money. Now, I’m probably earning at least twice of when I first started, but still I barely have enough money…

Unfortunately for many people, especially the less educated ones, when they make ฿15,000 pa, they spend all of it if not more…

Hence, when they suddenly have ฿360,000 pa, they’ll definitely know how to spend it all away…

Now, if after one year of receiving ฿30,000 per month and the money stops coming, what happens? Simple, they’ll all die… Because they have probably spent ฿50,000 per month thinking that the arrears could be settled the following month.