14-year-old jumps to his death after unaccompanied police interrogation for Molest

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by thickhead

What's the point of expressing deepest condolences?

Everyone involved should be investigated in an inquiry.
If their handling is proper, they should be absolved.
If not, proper disciplinary action should be taken.
The principal of the school should also explain why he allowed the boy to be taken away.

And yet, no amount of investigations can bring the boy back.
I hope his death will knock some sense into the heads of those high up in their ivory towerrs.

I have a son in secondary school. I can feel the pain experienced by the parents. But I do not have anything to say to them. Because nothing we say can lessen their pain and loss.

To countryman: hope you rot in hell for your careless initial remarks :-(

I will support a COI for this. Similiar to Little India COI. This is the only way to know what happen throughout the process.

Make public the so-called CCTV too.

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by thickhead

What's the point of expressing deepest condolences?

Everyone involved should be investigated in an inquiry.
If their handling is proper, they should be absolved.
If not, proper disciplinary action should be taken.
The principal of the school should also explain why he allowed the boy to be taken away.

And yet, no amount of investigations can bring the boy back.
I hope his death will knock some sense into the heads of those high up in their ivory towerrs.

I have a son in secondary school. I can feel the pain experienced by the parents. But I do not have anything to say to them. Because nothing we say can lessen their pain and loss.

To countryman: hope you rot in hell for your careless initial remarks :-(

Wahlan you still don't get it!!

In a repressive dictatorship, the police drink drive, anyhow fire shots n accidentally kill yr kids, they express deepest condolences n give flowers very good liao.

If not, they'll shout at you. Cb. What you want!!
They'll even flash the same gun they used while screaming at you

And theres no inquiry ok.

As far as they are concerned, it's already case close.

It's obvious liao. You need them to explain to you?
You voted for these puki cbs. Time to repent.

The review is to see whether to improve interrogation system.
Even if they say need to improve, n imply present system is fucked up, the review's purpose is not to find fault with the police. Becos the police followed proper procedure. If procedure say can treat Benjamin like adult, they have no guilty conscience

At the most, coroner inquiry will say Benjamin traumatised by interrogation n kill himself.
The school n police will not b blamed ok.

You vote for these cb. They're not answerable to anybody.

Last time thugs send 5 ppl to your house at midnight to escort you for meeting. You refuse, they'll drag you out. Now they do this to kids.

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by kuasimi

I will support a COI for this. Similiar to Little India COI. This is the only way to know what happen throughout the process.

Make public the so-called CCTV too.

Coi lanjiao la.

They'll spend time saying superlatives about police la.

Good luck. Dictators are never answerable. You die, pls move away. Your corpse is an eyesore

[kuasimi]

https://www.facebook.com/35875932751...type=3&theater


Lionel De Souza, the rabid PAP Grassroots Leader who had made threatening statements online against PAP's critics in the past, is an ambassador for the National Crime Prevention Council.

He has this to say in response to the death of a boy who took his own life after he was interrogated by the police unaccompanied by his parents for alleged molest.

[FishyPartner]

Originally Posted by sadfa

Coi lanjiao la.

They'll spend time saying superlatives about police la.

Good luck. Dictators are never answerable. You die, pls move away. Your corpse is an eyesore

Why the combative stance? You run many discussions to a corner by your character flaw, a superior attitude. The concept of Übermensch, first proposed by Friedrich Nietzsche triggered the Nazi destructive movement.

[kuasimi]

Police to review interview procedure after death of student under molest probe

Yahoo Singapore

1 February 2016


https://sg.news.yahoo.com/police-to-...151553037.html


The police will hold a procedural review whether to allow an adult to be present when they interview a young person, following the death of a 14-year-old student under investigation for outrage of modesty.

Benjamin Lim was found dead beneath Blk 316A Yishun Ave 9 last Tuesday afternoon (26 January). Earlier that day, he was brought into the police’s Ang Mo Kio Division to assist with investigations into the alleged offence reported on 25 January.

In a statement on Monday night (1 February), the police said Benjamin’s passing was “tragic” and have expressed their deepest condolences to the family.

The police “have met the family to address their questions on the case and provide clarifications on the actions of the Police officers during their interaction with Benjamin,” the statement said. They will “review and address” their interview procedures.

In a previous statement last Wednesday (27 January), the police said that throughout their interaction with Benjamin, he “did not exhibit any signs of being unduly distressed”.

The police also gave more details on the investigations into the alleged offence in their latest statement.

Police officers went in plainclothes and in unmarked cars to conduct enquires at a school to keep investigations discreet. Based on CCTV footage, Benjamin was identified and he was brought to the principal’s office by a school official and was spoken with in the presence of a police officer.

Before he was brought back to Ang Mo Kio Division, he contacted his mother to inform her about the investigations. The police officer also spoke to her.

While Benjamin was at Ang Mo Kio Division, he was interviewed by an investigation officer at his workstation in an open office, and was fully cooperative during the interview. He was then released on bail and went back with his mother.

Police investigations into his death have not been completed. A Coroner’s Inquiry will be held after the investigations are concluded.

[kuasimi]

I think SPF feel very pressured to find evidence of deceased boy molesting girl and make him look guilty so as to mitigate public outrage against SPF.

If deceased boy is innocent of molest, will SPF announce his innocence or keep silent? But this will make public even more enrage.

It was like Little India Riots. If civilians were killed and women raped at the riots, will the Government declare or keep silent since it was near GE2015?

[kuasimi]

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[sadfa]

Originally Posted by kuasimi

I think SPF feel very pressured to find evidence of deceased boy molesting girl and make him look guilty so as to mitigate public outrage against SPF.

If deceased boy is innocent of molest, will SPF announce his innocence or keep silent? But this will make public even more enrage.

It was like Little India Riots. If civilians were killed and women raped at the riots, will the Government declare or keep silent since it was near GE2015?

Your posts still very poor. No improvements la.
Learn la.

Of cos they got evidence!!!
The cctv definitely will show something.

If show nothing, only a dumbass will send 5 cops to question Benjamin over nothing. if that's the case all should b sacked

The issue is if the cctv show Benjamin clearly grabbing boobs, there's no need to interrogate him for 3 hours to get a confession, becos nothing he says in court will save him.

The problem is if the cctv show horseplay n they know each other, then there's no molest.

This exposes the fucked up attitude of spf n how they see n do things.

Learn ok!!

[kuasimi]

Sunday, September 09, 2007

Singapore police sends 4 riot buses to deal with Ultraman?


http://www.mrbrown.com/blog/2007/09/...ore-polic.html


A group of 8 young people who wanted to protest against local anime distributor Odex's legal actions decided to stage a protest... with their toys... at *Scape, a youth park. The idea was to stage a demonstration with their toys and do a photo shoot at *Scape (Slogan for the youth park: Feel the Space. Fill the Space).

Their project, called the People’s Action Figures Party, was met by 4 "Ang Chia", or riot buses, from the Special Operations Command. Yes, a whole bunch of cops dropped by their party.

You know lah, these action figures and toys, when they stage a protest, you never know if things will get ugly and they start using their superpowers and laser beams. So it is important to send the right show of force to keep the supertoys in line.

A police officer from Tanglin division asked them questions and took down the names and identity card info of the participants (but did not take down the particulars of the toys) and also videotaped the youngsters as they conducted their toy protest photo shoot.

But by Zer0's account, they were allowed to complete their shoot and at no time did the police intimidate them (I suppose the police officer videotaped them in a friendly way?).


It is so important for law and order to maintained, because, you know, although you might be well-behaved, someone might want to conduct political debate with one of your protesting toys, say, He-Man, and then there will be a potential for public disturbance and civil disobedience, if he calls upon the Power of Greyskull.

You can read their accounts here and here. The incident was not reported in local media, but you can read the Reuters report.

(Photos from Zer0 and Pp's blog)

Singapore: Feel the Space. Fill the Space.

[sadfa]

Originally Posted by Campro

Why was the police involved if it is a minor? I thought children under certain age are not supposed to be in police custody. I share my own experience.

Many years ago after PSLE I was posted to a neighborhood secondary school. Many of my friends from primary were also posted there too so naturally we became quite a close knit group. We would often play soccer at the basketball court of the nearby CC after school. Nearby to the CC was an ITE. Some of their students would also play soccer at the basketball court sometimes and we always give each other space. However, one day due to some misunderstanding both of our groups clashed. It was a blur and I can only remember more than twenty of us students fighting each other. The police came and teachers from our school and the ITE also came to the scene. The police separated us and then wanted to bring us all back to the police station. Our school discipline master stopped them and refused to let us go up the police vans. After making a few phone calls he told the police inspector in charge to take the call and listen to orders.

We did not go to the police station. Instead all of us were brought to the CC's Boys club and told to remain inside while they investigated the matter. This was done by the CC staff and the school teachers from both our school / ITE. The police were told to stay outside and not involved.

End of the day none of the students involved were brought back to the police station although we each got a public caning during school assembly. It was during this incident that I also learnt from the CC manager that the police cannot arrest children under a certain age. I am sure the law has not been changed although more than 20 yrs ago.

Of cos they can arrest children.
Overseas, children got rape n even murder others and they were arrested n sentenced.

Your school did the right thing.
There are many si ginna who fight, shoplift etc.
All of this are crimes n they can be charged in court.

But there's no need to do all these n give them a record.
Worst case scenario suspend or kickout the student.
Not condemn the student.

I'm sure many si ginna like you think back, will be grateful to their school for giving them a chance n not giving up on them.

This school failed Benjamin.
The government come, they gift wrap the student for them. N no lamparji. Need to collect questions.
What can they teach their students? Follow government obediently n no lamparji also?

The school should standby Benjamin even if he's guilty.
As if kicking him out will help him n make him a better person

[Max77]

The cctv footage will never be shown to public that's for sure. I reckoned only a handful of those from the force who saw the cctv footage would know the truth, whether it's a clear cut molestation or not

If it was true that he went into the lift and molest a girl, God bless wad that boy will be capable of thereafter

Sometime when a person was caught red handed also die die will deny, out of fear or guilt

What (the most of us) we are concerned is whether the protocol taken in such incident can be much better and sensitive in the future. A person who jump and die not necessarily mean he is not guilty

Also to shift some attention to the girl who was molested. Having her molester committed suicide would have double impact on her life

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by Max77

The cctv footage will never be shown to public that's for sure. I reckoned only a handful of those from the force who saw the cctv footage would know the truth, whether it's a clear cut molestation or not

If it was true that he went into the lift and molest a girl, God bless wad that boy will be capable of thereafter

Sometime when a person was caught red handed also die die will deny, out of fear or guilt

What (the most of us) we are concerned is whether the protocol taken in such incident can be much better and sensitive in the future. A person who jump and die not necessarily mean he is not guilty

Also to shift some attention to the girl who was molested. Having her molester committed suicide would have double impact on her life

You are speculating without evidence. Please remember, the dead boy was only a suspect.

On paper, the present status is the dead boy is not guilty of molest because the dead boy did not go through the legal process. So we should work from this status.

The dead boy's parents did not trust the Media to give their side of the story so went to TOC instead. The Media did lean towards SPF.

From the dead boy's family side of story, there are hints the dead boy was coerced by SPF to admit guilt under duress of interrogation. The family claim the dead boy insisted he was not guilty.

SPF naturally will deny this. This then became an issue of saving face and SPF's image.

It is a deadlock and will remain unresolved because the key person is dead already. This is so even if the girl insisted the dead boy molested her and it is even more important now the girl need to insist the dead boy molested her so as to save everybody's face. SPF will now turn attention to girl.

For CCTV, it must show clearly dead boy molested girl which I think did not hence the 3 hours long interrogation. SPF might be fustrated by the lack of clear evidence from CCTV. CCTV becomes the key.


Regardless, even if the dead boy did molest the girl, the entire process from school to interrogation was wrong. These are two separate buckets of issues.

For molest case, we let the Judical system decide.

For process of school to interrogation, the dead boy's family demand answers and maybe justice be served.

[kt88_2]

To he fair, if cctv really show the boy molesred ghe girl.don ned interview can straight away fharge.Becos they cannog find anything thats why they interrogate.but this time round , tge police too much liao.Police sjoild allow parents inside.Now someyhing gappened, all tty yo vovef up as usual by our garment.Little insia roits all likd cowards ran yo hide, knn 1 kid n all act macho.Sad 70 percent ask for it.

[kt88_2]

Simple just ask the police make the cctv public if thrre are wrong doing.but i doubt that garment will agree as their style is keep quiet when wrong.also too many foreigners as PR in police force.