Jakarta Info

[Indiana.K]

Originally Posted by BtmMan

If you do not pay off the cops, then how do you know when and where will have those road blocks/checks??
And if we keep to the LAW, then why do we have to worry about the polisi???

Brother you are good man. Very sharp observation.

[aakumu]

Hi bro,
This is a married couple being hassle, what about us the normal tourist wanting to have some fun?



Letter: Police harassment

Sat, 09/13/2008 9:56 AM | Reader's Forum

Recently, I was with my wife on my way back to the Sheraton Hotel in Surabaya when the police pulled our taxi over in a blockade about 100 meters from the hotel.

There must have been around 40 police officers -- some in uniform and some others not. They stopped my taxi and they asked for our documents.

They wanted to see my passport, which I had at the hotel, and then hassled my wife for her documents. She is Indonesian and they said she needed documents from police for me to stay with her, even though we are married and were staying in the hotel.

She finally asked them for their own documents with their names so she could write them down before they let us go.

This was clearly an attempt to get money from us and I am truly surprised that the government continues to allow such actions to occur.

Is this the friendly atmosphere for business that Indonesia is sending to the world. I feel sorry for the local people who are more helpless and have less power to stand up to such strong-arm tactics. Such blatant corruption should be an embarrassment to the country.

STEVE SCHMIDT
Santa Fe, New Mexico


Good for the wife to ask for the cops personal details, how many of us want to go through that kind of hassle of fighting with the cops to get their details?

My humble two cents.

[nightmanAD]

Originally Posted by Indiana.K

Most of us here are reasonable samsters. We share info so that others can benefit from it. But we don't try to promote ourselves or our establishments. There are adverts column in newspapers, magazines and internet websites where you can promote your tours etc.

Anyway I credited him for his effort to assist a friend of mine to locate a temple in Jakarta. But I discredited him when he copied my posting and posted it at another forum. I believe in honesty and professionalism. If a tour agent is not honest how can I trust him to provide me with good and reliable services. I will also doubt that the agent will "protect" me from the odds that you sometimes will encounter when cheonging the night scene and not forgetting dealing with the police.

My humble 2 cents. Hey!!! I kind of like this phrase.

Originally Posted by Indiana.K

Most of us here are reasonable samsters. We share info so that others can benefit from it. But we don't try to promote ourselves or our establishments. There are adverts column in newspapers, magazines and internet websites where you can promote your tours etc.

Anyway I credited him for his effort to assist a friend of mine to locate a temple in Jakarta. But I discredited him when he copied my posting and posted it at another forum. I believe in honesty and professionalism. If a tour agent is not honest how can I trust him to provide me with good and reliable services. I will also doubt that the agent will "protect" me from the odds that you sometimes will encounter when cheonging the night scene and not forgetting dealing with the police.

My humble 2 cents. Hey!!! I kind of like this phrase.

Hi bro,
I do apology if bro Doni may have done something that may have spark a flame with you guys, but he is not the one that is running the tour, he is just helping to promote the services.
I believe in honesty and professionalism, when it comes to my business and I hope so far I have live up to that.


I will also doubt that the agent will "protect" me from the odds that you sometimes will encounter when cheonging the night scene and not forgetting dealing with the police.


We have never so far in the years of doing the tours not able to solve any problems that may arise on the road, as we belief to prepare for the worst, so almost nothing can surprise us. Experiences does help, we always learn for incidents that happen over the years.
We try to be on top of any situations and we will do what is necessary to minimize the risk.


There are adverts column in newspapers, magazines and internet websites where you can promote your tours etc.

It is a bit hard to promote our services on the normal medium[hahaha.........], internet, now there is a good place, can you help to point where would be good sites or forums to put adverts in?
Thanks.

Best regard.

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by Indiana.K

Anyway I credited him for his effort to assist a friend of mine to locate a temple in Jakarta.

Old man, I found another temple when I went to visit my sayang in Mangga Besar 4.

[BtmMan]

Originally Posted by nightmanAD

Hi bro,
We work together with the proper authoutries to arrange the best routes for our clients.
If people do break the law, for sure they should be punish, but in Jakarta sometimes if you do not know the law, you can easy be kena played.
As we have people that know the laws working for us, we would know what is right and what is not.

Best regards.

One time you were saying that Jkt polisi is so very bad and will hassle $$$ from everyone, then now you are saying that you don't need to pay them to get out from possible trouble???

I know that in Indo, when you want to work with the authorities, proper/ly or not = another issue, it's a standard or common practice that there will be some kind of "fee" involved, again properly or officially or not = another issue.

And if like you said, you work with the proper authorities and let's say in proper way cos you do not pay them? Then they should also be working properly, so how can they just simply provide you with the supposing polisi classified information on where and when their road blocks/checks will be set up, in order for you to plan the best and safest routes for your clients???
If you don't have "special" connections, then how to have special arrangements with situiations? So whatever you claimed you could do or provide seems not too convinencing leh....

I think it'll be cheaper and safer to ride in RainMan's car, only need to carry my passport where ever I go (which I almost never did). Imagine going to cheong with a big and thick book in your pocket, you may end up losing it end of the night, especially after some heavy raba raba with the cewek in the disco or KTVs hahaha..... And with RM's car, don't even need to pay driver and bensin cos it'll be under his company or even his own account, which I don't care hehehe....
Only thing I need to do is, buy him a few nice n cool BintangSSS from the tap in AH's bar counter, that also most time he paid wahahaha, where to find such fine blah....derrrr........

On a last and serious note, no matter what, there is still law and order in Indonesia especially in the capital Jakarta where the government are, it's not as bad or scary as what some had projected it to be. And don't have to worry much about not knowing their law, all basic law in any where is almost similar, no matter what country you are in. Unless you are talking about law on setting up businesses, buying properties ect ect.... Otherwise it's basically simple common sense, like if you go steal, rob, rape, do narcotic ect ect, you've broken the law. For as long as if you don't break the law, no one can do anything to you. They can try all they want, but if you stand firm, they will leave you alone.

[BtmMan]

Originally Posted by Indiana.K

Ha.. Ha.. Bro when are you coming.

Originally Posted by Indiana.K

Brother you are good man. Very sharp observation.

No lah bro, not going Jkt any time soon lah, not much biz there for me now....

Anyway, I was watching all those postings in the Jkt threads, really cannot stand all the bull shitting about how dangerous Jkt or rather Indonesia is. So I thought I send in a B2 from Batam to support fire hahaha...

I may not be active in the Jkt scene, but I've been in Indo for long time, since 1994, and have been traveling to many parts (some really and truly are remote or kumpung type) of Indonesia, 99% of the time traveling alone (without any help from any tour agent or ground handler), and I am still standing here, big, strong and friendly (only with the right people)......

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by BtmMan

One time you were saying that Jkt polisi is so very bad and will hassle $$$ from everyone, then now you are saying that you don't need to pay them to get out from possible trouble???

I know that in Indo, when you want to work with the authorities, proper/ly or not = another issue, it's a standard or common practice that there will be some kind of "fee" involved, again properly or officially or not = another issue.

And if like you said, you work with the proper authorities and let's say in proper way cos you do not pay them? Then they should also be working properly, so how can they just simply provide you with the supposing polisi classified information on where and when their road blocks/checks will be set up, in order for you to plan the best and safest routes for your clients???
If you don't have "special" connections, then how to have special arrangements with situiations? So whatever you claimed you could do or provide seems not too convinencing leh....

I think it'll be cheaper and safer to ride in RainMan's car, only need to carry my passport where ever I go (which I almost never did). Imagine going to cheong with a big and thick book in your pocket, you may end up losing it end of the night, especially after some heavy raba raba with the cewek in the disco or KTVs hahaha..... And with RM's car, don't even need to pay driver and bensin cos it'll be under his company or even his own account, which I don't care hehehe....
Only thing I need to do is, buy him a few nice n cool BintangSSS from the tap in AH's bar counter, that also most time he paid wahahaha, where to find such fine blah....derrrr........

On a last and serious note, no matter what, there is still law and order in Indonesia especially in the capital Jakarta where the government are, it's not as bad or scary as what some had projected it to be. And don't have to worry much about not knowing their law, all basic law in any where is almost similar, no matter what country you are in. Unless you are talking about law on setting up businesses, buying properties ect ect.... Otherwise it's basically simple common sense, like if you go steal, rob, rape, do narcotic ect ect, you've broken the law. For as long as if you don't break the law, no one can do anything to you. They can try all they want, but if you stand firm, they will leave you alone.

Hi bro,
To each each own, but I have to totally agree with the last statement, if you have the energy and time to argue with cops. It does mean that it happens in Jakarta quite often; that police will look for way to get money from you.
I just posted in the Jakarta trip, just on that subject.

My humble two cents.

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by BtmMan

One time you were saying that Jkt polisi is so very bad and will hassle $$$ from everyone, then now you are saying that you don't need to pay them to get out from possible trouble???

I know that in Indo, when you want to work with the authorities, proper/ly or not = another issue, it's a standard or common practice that there will be some kind of "fee" involved, again properly or officially or not = another issue.

And if like you said, you work with the proper authorities and let's say in proper way cos you do not pay them? Then they should also be working properly, so how can they just simply provide you with the supposing polisi classified information on where and when their road blocks/checks will be set up, in order for you to plan the best and safest routes for your clients???
If you don't have "special" connections, then how to have special arrangements with situiations? So whatever you claimed you could do or provide seems not too convinencing leh....

I think it'll be cheaper and safer to ride in RainMan's car, only need to carry my passport where ever I go (which I almost never did). Imagine going to cheong with a big and thick book in your pocket, you may end up losing it end of the night, especially after some heavy raba raba with the cewek in the disco or KTVs hahaha..... And with RM's car, don't even need to pay driver and bensin cos it'll be under his company or even his own account, which I don't care hehehe....
Only thing I need to do is, buy him a few nice n cool BintangSSS from the tap in AH's bar counter, that also most time he paid wahahaha, where to find such fine blah....derrrr........

On a last and serious note, no matter what, there is still law and order in Indonesia especially in the capital Jakarta where the government are, it's not as bad or scary as what some had projected it to be. And don't have to worry much about not knowing their law, all basic law in any where is almost similar, no matter what country you are in. Unless you are talking about law on setting up businesses, buying properties ect ect.... Otherwise it's basically simple common sense, like if you go steal, rob, rape, do narcotic ect ect, you've broken the law. For as long as if you don't break the law, no one can do anything to you. They can try all they want, but if you stand firm, they will leave you alone.

Hi bro,
To each each own, but I have to totally agree with the last statement, if you have the energy and time to argue with cops. It does mean that it happens in Jakarta quite often; that police will look for way to get money from you.
I just posted in the Jakarta trip, just on that subject.

My humble two cents.

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by BtmMan

No lah bro, not going Jkt any time soon lah, not much biz there for me now....

Anyway, I was watching all those postings in the Jkt threads, really cannot stand all the bull shitting about how dangerous Jkt or rather Indonesia is. So I thought I send in a B2 from Batam to support fire hahaha...

I may not be active in the Jkt scene, but I've been in Indo for long time, since 1994, and have been traveling to many parts (some really and truly are remote or kumpung type) of Indonesia, 99% of the time traveling alone (without any help from any tour agent or ground handler), and I am still standing here, big, strong and friendly (only with the right people)......

Hi bro,
Jakarta is not so dangerous, but to me it is not the most user friendly city in the world. Please advice if I am wrong.
Compare to Singapore, Jakarta is a mountain of red tape, not just in the business area but in our day to day requirements.
I think it would ten times the effort and time spent to find your way around in Jakarta compare lets say ................, might I dare Singapore?

My humble two cents.

[NobleEagle]

Originally Posted by aakumu

Hi bro,
This is a married couple being hassle, what about us the normal tourist wanting to have some fun?



Letter: Police harassment

Sat, 09/13/2008 9:56 AM | Reader's Forum

Recently, I was with my wife on my way back to the Sheraton Hotel in Surabaya when the police pulled our taxi over in a blockade about 100 meters from the hotel.

There must have been around 40 police officers -- some in uniform and some others not. They stopped my taxi and they asked for our documents.

They wanted to see my passport, which I had at the hotel, and then hassled my wife for her documents. She is Indonesian and they said she needed documents from police for me to stay with her, even though we are married and were staying in the hotel.

She finally asked them for their own documents with their names so she could write them down before they let us go.

This was clearly an attempt to get money from us and I am truly surprised that the government continues to allow such actions to occur.

Is this the friendly atmosphere for business that Indonesia is sending to the world. I feel sorry for the local people who are more helpless and have less power to stand up to such strong-arm tactics. Such blatant corruption should be an embarrassment to the country.

STEVE SCHMIDT
Santa Fe, New Mexico


Good for the wife to ask for the cops personal details, how many of us want to go through that kind of hassle of fighting with the cops to get their details?

My humble two cents.

Bro aakumu could you keep your "current affairs" to Sammyboy non-sex related topics at Sam's Alfresco Coffee - Powered by vBulletin

Can you provide more cheonging news instead of these silly news tat would make us more scared of going to JKT and need to engage in sex tour agent is the only safe way to go?!!

[klguylate30s]

Originally Posted by BtmMan

If you do not pay off the cops, then how do you know when and where will have those road blocks/checks??
And if we keep to the LAW, then why do we have to worry about the polisi???

Good reply bro and the fact that we're mongering is already going against the law, does that mean you are not able to protect us nightmanAD. Stop contradicting yourself nightmanAD!

[klguylate30s]

Hear hear! Like you I've traveled all over Jakarta alone and till date have not had any problems and yet a few individuals here inssit that the Jakarta people & poilce live to make all you tourists and mongereres life difficult! I have gone for a tour operated by a reputable tour operator and he does not have cronies telling people Jakarta is dangerous and the only way is to use his tour whereby you wont get into trouble! Now he deserves my respect unike some indviduals here!I use public transport like Busway, ojek, bikes and my 1 basic advise is be street smart and above all be humble always!

KL Guy

Originally Posted by BtmMan

No lah bro, not going Jkt any time soon lah, not much biz there for me now....

Anyway, I was watching all those postings in the Jkt threads, really cannot stand all the bull shitting about how dangerous Jkt or rather Indonesia is. So I thought I send in a B2 from Batam to support fire hahaha...

I may not be active in the Jkt scene, but I've been in Indo for long time, since 1994, and have been traveling to many parts (some really and truly are remote or kumpung type) of Indonesia, 99% of the time traveling alone (without any help from any tour agent or ground handler), and I am still standing here, big, strong and friendly (only with the right people)......

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by NobleEagle

Bro aakumu could you keep your "current affairs" to Sammyboy non-sex related topics at Sam's Alfresco Coffee - Powered by vBulletin

Can you provide more cheonging news instead of these silly news tat would make us more scared of going to JKT and need to engage in sex tour agent is the only safe way to go?!!

Hi bro,
Why didn't I think of that?
Thanks.

I thought that if married couple get hassle bu the cops, I was wondering who else would the cops dare to hassle. Just want to let bros out there to be careful when cheonging.
No need to engage the sex tour company to be safe, to be safe just put your trust in the law and those that holds up the law, plus a bit of common sense.
Like any travel company, they provide a service, but if someone booked airasia themselves, that is also fine.
The travel company would like only to promote to those that would like to have things done for them [a full services company]. Some like to fly self service budget airline, and there are people that want to fly First Class Singapore Airline. The travel company caters to these kind of clientèles.
I hope you this does not bother you.

My humble two cents.

[aakumu]

Originally Posted by klguylate30s

Good reply bro and the fact that we're mongering is already going against the law, does that mean you are not able to protect us nightmanAD. Stop contradicting yourself nightmanAD!

Hi bro,
Cheonging is only against the law if there is money involved, having sex between two adults is quite legal the last time I check.
What has to be proven is that money involved, but do we want to go through the motions of arguing with cops?
That is the question that each of us have to answer for ourselves, and everyone would handle it differently.
Some may deal with it, and there are others that will leave it a paid hired gun to handle it.
This is the beautifully thing in Jakarta, people have a choice, shouldn't they have the right to exercise it?
By the way bro klguylate30s,
Thank you for the zapped.

My humble two cents.

[klguylate30s]

No 1 stop using the phrase "My humble two cents" which in my very personal opinion you're not.

No 2 You and I know were talking about mongering and know that Im refering to paid sex unless you dare tell me that you're sex tour operator is getting non paid sex workers/freelancers to your clients for FREE.

I completely agree on the right to exercse your rights but I dont agree to your ungentlemanlike methods! BTW will the both you & your agent stop contracdicting yourselves! Such a shameful thing to do!and FYI, I dont zap people unnecassarily, I do however abhor liars and fact twisters!

KL Guy

Originally Posted by aakumu

Hi bro,
Cheonging is only against the law if there is money involved, having sex between two adults is quite legal the last time I check.
What has to be proven is that money involved, but do we want to go through the motions of arguing with cops?
That is the question that each of us have to answer for ourselves, and everyone would handle it differently.
Some may deal with it, and there are others that will leave it a paid hired gun to handle it.
This is the beautifully thing in Jakarta, people have a choice, shouldn't they have the right to exercise it?
By the way bro klguylate30s,
Thank you for the zapped.

My humble two cents.