Love him or hate him

[jacky43]

This is only me. I had notice the rally back into the 60s. The old man and the first batch of members does not have armed escorts. There are several parts of our island that were danger zones. Note that during that era fire arm was available.

He and his people are brave, I salute them and that is the spirit the books had not done justice to him and the members. I am not as brave as them, no sir I could never campaign w/o body guards. Why then no escorts?

I guess UK as well as the gov across the causeway does not wish to protect them.

[nitecrawllerr]

Originally Posted by Megafan1981

P.S. I don't support the current pap cuz i feel they are self serving,, but the first gen pap were awesome.

This one i am with u 100%.

I am proud i served my nation. 2.5 yrs NSF plus 10yrs cycle reservist. After 3yrs lapse was posted to SCDF for reservist training. Anyone as suay or lucky like me? Pay was peasai $90 a month. But its ok. I am happy cos those days we were really united. One big sinkie family.

I respect LKY for his foresight. With him at the helm alot of mnc, banks, were opened in Spore. Jobs were created. Still remember during the 70s and 80s. Jobs were abundant and so easy to get.

Now coming to this present era. Sucks big time under LHL. Pro FTs. Anyway i dont wish to further discuss on FTs. Out of topic.

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

A good business guy always get the best guy to do the job irregardless of his race and nationality. if a FT can do a better job, give him the job. nothing wrong with that.

True. But how many jobs that can be done by locals but were given to FTs instead. Are u aware or play ignorant? Dont get me wrong. If theres a job or post which cant be filled by local, the by all means give it to a qualified FT. I was with an employment consultant firm before. So i know whats happening...which race or nationalities holding EP or SP...which company they are working. But due to confidentiality, i cant disclose further.

Btw pray u dont be admitted to any of the hospitals in Spore. Cos chances are u will be served by Ah Neh or Pinoy (no discrimination here) doctors. I have a friend. He had to seek alternative advice from 3 different doctors. Luckily he didnt opt for the ops which one of the FTs doctor had suggested.

[Big Sexy]

oh yea.. my experience is very different from yours and i have no need to listen or argue with you on the point. you are obviously at a different level from where i am...

and FFS.. bring your anti PAP sentiments for discussion to sammyboy.com ... here isnt the place for you to share your discontentment with the current government..

Originally Posted by nitecrawllerr

I was with an employment consultant firm before. So i know whats happening...which race or nationalities holding EP or SP...which company they are working. But due to confidentiality, i cant disclose further.

Btw pray u dont be admitted to any of the hospitals in Spore. Cos chances are u will be served by Ah Neh or Pinoy (no discrimination here) doctors. I have a friend. He had to seek alternative advice from 3 different doctors. Luckily he didnt opt for the ops which one of the FTs doctor had suggested.

[nitecrawllerr]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

and FFS.. bring your anti PAP sentiments for discussion to sammyboy.com ... here isnt the place for you to share your discontentment with the current government..

No problem with that. In the first place i am not the one who open up this out of topic thread.

As for FFS, in case u didnt notice..i already said i do not wish to discuss further. Period!

Originally Posted by nitecrawllerr

Now coming to this present era. Sucks big time under LHL. Pro FTs. Anyway i dont wish to further discuss on FTs. Out of topic.

[kuasimi]

lky91 workout.


http://forums.$$$$$$$$$$$$.com.sg/ea...t-5004550.html


can anybody pls forward teo ser luck FB LKY91 workout post


http://forums.$$$$$$$$$$$$.com.sg/ea...t-5005143.html



Teo Ser Luck win liao lo.. like that also can


http://forums.$$$$$$$$$$$$.com.sg/ea...n-5004558.html

[kuasimi]

MINISTER Mentor Lee Kuan Yew called for a sense of proportion yesterday, pointing out that the annual wage bill for ministers and all office holders is $46 million - or just 0.022 per cent of Singapore's total economic output.

It was an ' absurdity', he said, for Singaporeans to quarrel over whether ministers collectively should be paid $10 million or $20 million more, when an economy worth $210 billion was at stake

'The cure to all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government,' he said in his first comments on impending salary increases for ministers and top civil servants. 'You get that alternative and you'll never put Singapore together again.'

Singaporeans' asset values would also disappear, he warned, adding that 'your apartment will be worth a fraction of what it is, your jobs will be in peril, your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people's countries'.

He said the present system of benchmarking ministers' pay to top private sector salaries was 'completely above board' and allowed the Government to recruit 'some of the very best' to lead the country

When it was put to him that people hoped for leaders who were willing to make sacrifices and who were not there for the money, he replied that these were 'admirable sentiments'. But he added that 'we live in the real world'.

His bottom line: if the Government could not pay competitive salaries, Singapore would not be able to compete and 'we're not going to live well'.

[kuasimi]

‘Reasonable pay will help to maintain a bit of dignity’

Member of Parliament Lim Wee Kiak of the Nee Soon group representation constituency (GRC) defended ministerial salaries by saying a reasonable payout helped maintain "dignity" for politicians.

He was quickly slammed by netizens, many of whom pointed out in various posts on the Web that "dignity" should not be justified by salary alone.

The multi-million dollar pay of ministers was a hot-button issue in Singapore's recent General Election, which saw the ruling People's Action Party win 81 out of 87 seats but at a significantly lower share of the total votes.

Following the results, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong announced the formation of a committee to review the "basis and level of political salaries". Any pay changes would take effect from 21 May this year.

"If the annual salary of the Minister of Information, Communication and Arts is only $500,000, it may pose some problems when he discuss policies with media CEOs who earn millions of dollars because they need not listen to the minister's ideas and proposals. Hence, a reasonable payout will help to maintain a bit of dignity," Dr Lim told LianHe ZaoBao in Chinese.

In reaction, Francis Oen postedon Facebook: "Hi Wee Kiat.. Suggest you clarify your statement. Does it mean that only $ talks?! ... And if someone earns less, does it mean he cannot have dignity?"

Winnie Lim tweeted: "So according to Dr Lim Wee Kiak's theory, our ministers will ignore Obama because he earns less than all of them."

On his Facebook page, Dr Lim said that his quote was taken out of context.
"Minister's pay issue is a sensitive one. There must be a balance. After all, capable individuals who are willing to come forward to serve should not so because of pay and perks," he replied to a user's question about his quote.

He added, "On the other hand, they do have families and dependents and need to consider for retirement, etc."

[kuasimi]

One-Third Revenue from GST Increase goes to Minister Pay Increment

How well is well-paid?

By Tan Hui Leng and Jasmie Yen, TODAY | Posted: 10 April 2007 1028

They expressed support for the need to pay top dollar for top talent in the public sector.

But Members of Parliament (MPs) who took part in yesterday's parliamentary debate on the pay hike also spoke passionately about what many Singaporeans believe to be the heart of the issue: The benchmarking formula used to determine ministerial pay.

Ang Mo Kio MP Inderjit Singh noted that Singaporeans could not expect their leaders to serve based on altruism alone. "Are we willing to leave the future of the country to chance, that we will get good people who will give up their competence without caring about their salary?" he asked.

Some MPs, however, saw problems in benchmarking ministers' pay to the private sector, pointing out to disparities in the risks taken by company chief executives and ministers and top civil servants.

Marine Parade MP Lim Biow Chuan said: "I struggle to understand what a top Admin Officer aged 32 at grade SR9 has to worry about that will justify him receiving $363,000 a year … From many people's perspectives, they take no personal risk and are at best, paid employees."

Opposition MPs Mr Chiam See Tong (Potong Pasir) and Hougang's Low Thia Khiang took issue with the fact that Singapore's ministers are paid more than their counterparts in developed countries.

MPs like Bishan-Toa Payoh's Mrs Josephine Teo, however, pointed out that ministers in other countries may make more money after their term in office ends, such as through public speaking.

Some MPs voiced concerns about the timing of announcing the pay revisions, especially with the Goods and Services Tax (GST) due to rise to 7 per cent in July.

Mr Singh said: "How do we answer the man-in-the-street when we're told that about one-quarter to one-third of the expected revenue increase this year from the GST is going to be for the proposed ministerial and civil service salary increases, about $240 million, I was told?"

Mr Low also referred to the recent debate on increasing the amounts for public assistance. "It's also ironic that we are consuming taxpayers' money and … discussing how much more of a fraction of a million to pay civil servants and ministers while we haggle over additional tens of dollars to hand out to our needy and disadvantaged citizens," he said.

Some MPs who supported the pay hike also suggested that the salary benchmarking could be finetuned, such as pegging ministers' salaries to more realistic markers such as top men in private equity firms and top companies based on market capitalisation.

[kuasimi]

http://mrwangsaysso.blogspot.sg/2012...signation.html

Grace Fu Should Consider Resignation

Singapore has the world's most highly-paid ministers. If I recall correctly, they have held this world record for about the past 20 years. It is a record that has caused a huge amount of public unhappiness. Especially in the past decade, during which the government didn't ever seem to be particularly impressive or outstanding.

Now, finally, ministerial salaries are going to be cut. Mind you, after these cuts (which are quite substantial in percentage terms - about 36%), the ministers will STILL hold their world record. Which must surely suggest to any half-intelligent person how grossly overpaid the ministers have been all along.

But then you get the likes of Grace Fu (who is our Minister of State for something or the other). Writing on her own Facebook wall, Fu says:

“When I made the decision to join politics in 2006, pay was not a key factor. Loss of privacy, public scrutiny on myself and my family and loss of personal time were. The disruption to my career was also an important consideration. I had some ground to believe that my family would not suffer a drastic change in the standard of living even though I experienced a drop in my income. So it is with this recent pay cut. If the balance is tilted further in the future, it will make it harder for any one [sic] considering political office.” Grace Fu.
Now, lots of Singaporeans are angry with Grace Fu. The comments have come thick, fast and furious. As of right now, her Facebook post has drawn about 1,300 comments (that's about 650 times the average number of comments on her other Facebook postings). And of course, there is plenty of negative media attention, online and in the newspapers too.

Putting aside the other issues for now, I'm startled at Grace Fu's lack of political sensitivity. It was really, really stupid and unnecessary of her to write such a thing. Fu wasn't even under pressure. It wasn't as if she was at a press conference, and a belligerent journalist had just thrown an unexpected and difficult question at her, and she couldn't think fast enough about what best to say.

Instead - we can imagine it - there she was, relaxing in her living room, playing with her iPad, sipping a nice cup of tea, logging in to check her messages. And then suddenly, Fu decided to write what she wrote. On Facebook. Not in a private journal, not in a personal memo, but on Facebook.

She must have totally failed to foresee what would happen next.

[kuasimi]

http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=4237

Said Mr Lee: “The PAP makes promises they deliver. The Opposition cannot deliver.”

“If you have a flood, just carefully think who is more likely to get the drainage put right and have the flood alleviated as quickly as possible: A PAP candidate with links to the ministers and Prime Minister, or a non-PAP candidate who has become an MP, like in Potong Pasir or Hougang, and who has to manage on his own?”

“That’s a fact of life.”

Source: Today newspaper, “MM Lee explains his tough stance against Opposition, throws a challenge“, 29 April 2006.

[kuasimi]

What PAP means by Half truths and falsehood means there is no poor in Singapore. There is no beggars and no senior citizens scavenging for drink cans and cardboard boxes. All falsehoods and half truths. Real and right things are GST increase from 5% to 7% is to help the poor so that there is no poor.

Ministers need to be paid highest in the world is because they risk losing their jobs every 5 years instead of every year.



https://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!...type=1&theater

http://alexbinich.blogspot.sg/2007/04/what-it-says.html

http://siewkumhong.blogspot.sg/2007/...tement-on.html

http://forums.$$$$$$$$$$$$.com.sg/cu...y-3096997.html


http://forums.$$$$$$$$$$$$.com.sg/cu...1571953-5.html



PDS dispels myths on ministers, civil servants pay

It responds to public's misperceptions of civil service salaries, perks and pensions

[kuasimi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/wo...ref=leekuanyew


Singapore’s Highly Paid Officials Get Richer



By SETH MYDANS

Published: April 10, 2007


Correction Appended

SINGAPORE, April 9 — How much money does it take to keep a government minister in Singapore happy?

The government says a million dollars is not enough, and on Monday it announced a 60 percent increase in ministers’ salaries, to an average of $1.9 million Singapore dollars, or about $1.3 million, by next year.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong’s pay will jump to about $2 million — five times the $400,000 earned by President Bush.

In this nation where the bottom line truly is the bottom line, the argument goes, you have to pay to get them and you have to pay to keep them clean.

“If we don’t do that, in the long term the government system will slowly crumble and collapse,” Defense Minister Teo Chee Hean told reporters last month. “Corruption will set in, and we will become like many other countries, and face the problems that many other countries face,” The Straits Times, Singapore’s largest-circulation newspaper, quoted him as saying.

In announcing the pay increases on Monday, Mr. Teo, who also oversees the civil service, said: “We don’t want pay to be the reason for people to join us. But we also don’t want pay to be the reason for them not to join us, or to leave after joining us.”

Singapore’s pay system was created in 1994 by the nation’s founding prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew. It pegged the salaries of government ministers and top civil servants to the money they might earn at the top of the private sector.

Under that formula, ministers are to be paid two-thirds of the median of the top eight earners in each of six professions: accounting, law, banking, engineering, multinational companies and local manufacturing.

There has been no public sign of discontent among the men and women who run Singapore, but last month the prime minister noted that they were earning just 55 percent of that benchmark. Hence the raise for the three dozen men and women who run Singapore.

Defending the system against an unusual public yelp of pain, Mr. Lee, whose title is minister mentor, painted a horrifying picture of a Singapore governed by ministers who earn no more than ministers elsewhere.

“Your apartment will be worth a fraction of what it is,” he said. “Your jobs will be in peril, your security will be at risk, and our women will become maids in other people’s countries.”

..........................................

[过客2010]

A great leader with foresight.老李 ，一路走好🙏🙏🙏

[urgg]

If this is not the sub forum to place this thread den just move this thread to matter of heart? Why cause so much argument? The guy who zap me, same thing dun dare to put nick.. if ur eye feel uneasy to see a mourning thread in a sex discussion den dun even bother to read the post to make urself unhappy..

Btw this thread is combine with the thread created by bro gm in orgies subforum.. no issue over there.. wonder y go and merge and make it so unhappy.

MERDEKA!

[Botakhead]

Why so many divorce cases?

Because not enough sex from wife?

Mr Lee Kuan Yew and Mdm Kwa Geok Choo, both had been married until death do they part.

We should learn from them, their legacy, their faith in each other to be only married to each other forever.