woes of a tirak

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Yeah I also agree. Don't like or too lengthy to read, just ignore and don't read.

Anyway, up to people's perogative to post also.

Sometimes I see such long essays I try my best not to reply also. Because once reply, another essay come again. Have to take a long time to read too, digest and reply with another long one.

SC

no choice lah, sometimes if the reply is too short n doestn drive the pt, alota ppl tend to misintepret, then there's gonna be alota ding-donging of attacks n counter attacks... later leading to flaming n zapping which i feel is redundant.

but hopefully those who do read n understand the context within can appreciate the intention n thoughts of those who post. kudos~~ str1099

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

no choice lah, sometimes if the reply is too short n doestn drive the pt, alota ppl tend to misintepret, then there's gonna be alota ding-donging of attacks n counter attacks... later leading to flaming n zapping which i feel is redundant.

but hopefully those who do read n understand the context within can appreciate the intention n thoughts of those who post. kudos~~ str1099

Talk too much, the thai girl says "Khun Phuut Maak" U Talk too much

U nag and nag, the thai girl says "Laarm Khan" Irritating


SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Talk too much, the thai girl says "Khun Phuut Maak" U Talk too much

U nag and nag, the thai girl says "Laarm Khan" Irritating


SC

well, on several occassions yes, she'd comment i enjoy to "juji", bt later explained that if i wasnt concerned i wouldnt even whisper a word. so now that things r clear... no more such issues.

nice that u brought it up though... reminds me not to "juji" w my gal keke. cheers

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

TV, interesting that we see the same light in terms of stopping an WL/FL from working if we feel that we are in love.

For that you've become my friend!

Cheers
thaivisitor

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

no choice lah, sometimes if the reply is too short n doestn drive the pt, alota ppl tend to misintepret, then there's gonna be alota ding-donging of attacks n counter attacks... later leading to flaming n zapping which i feel is redundant.

but hopefully those who do read n understand the context within can appreciate the intention n thoughts of those who post. kudos~~ str1099

Bro, sometimes your postings are a bit too lengthy and those who never read from the start, will have no head no tail. I don't encourage what you are advocating. But I do admire your effort. Writing so many details and so long. That takes up alot of time and patient. More importantly what you wrote are things with substances. From the heart. Not where you go out with her and what you eat or buy with her. Those are superficial and rubbish. Anyway, keep up your work. Those who don't like it, can go away or don't read. No one is placing a gun on his head to read. His motive to stir trouble and attract attention here is very clear.

[red-perrier]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

For that you've become my friend!

Cheers
thaivisitor

i mean no disrespect, but who wouldnt? i'm sure those who can afford it, and can fulfill the prospects of bliss and providence for happy-ever-after life together would surely do it. sad to say, many amongst those involved hardly have the means to. so i think they just lppl have to wait for the ger to either ask for early ORD (when she earned/save up enough) or until the day she fulfill the full duration for her tour of duty.

sometimes, its just sad 本来无义务，何处惹尘埃, its beyond what most can comprehend, be it due to voodoo spells, folly, irrational thinking or whatever hidden agendas. to each his own

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by Hasa Sas

Bro rocketscience,

good advice

How can someone accept their tirak(WL/FL) who is pack with full shit of lies yet HE can still take it as per normal because it is part of their culture.
Who are we trying to fool.....sad case.

Sometimes we must also look at it from a different angle. I mean I do know of Thai WLs and in my conversation with them, I had asked them why they oftened lied to guys to let them think they are their tiraks, etc.

Well, as they say, if the guy really love them, why do they continue to let them work as WLs. To give the reason that because the guy cannot afford doesn't seemed to hold water as they find it difficult to understand how a guy with less than $2,000 can marry a SG gal but not enough to support them.

So all in all, they actually doubt the guy's intention, and felt the guy is pretending to be good to her for other reasons like better service, free fucks, etc. And believe you me, this is what they told me and I have personally seen it myself, they are VERY VERY good actresses and act the part of a loving tirak to the guy during her stay her.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by OceanEleven

Hate to admit it but this is the fact. If really want a Thai Girl, why not go find a decent one, from the web, from Thailand itself. Why go continue to dwell in the same place where afterall the odds are against you?

Decency is a matter of intepretation. To many, working as a WL is nothing indecency about. It doesn't mean that a Thai Girl, or for that matter any girl, not working as a WL before, is definitely a better choice of girl. Ask those many, many people who are divorced from non WLs and they can attest to that.

I think as far as matters of the heart are concerned, it's difficult to say why.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Sometimes we must also look at it from a different angle. I mean I do know of Thai WLs and in my conversation with them, I had asked them why they oftened lied to guys to let them think they are their tiraks, etc.

Well, as they say, if the guy really love them, why do they continue to let them work as WLs. To give the reason that because the guy cannot afford doesn't seemed to hold water as they find it difficult to understand how a guy with less than $2,000 can marry a SG gal but not enough to support them.

So all in all, they actually doubt the guy's intention, and felt the guy is pretending to be good to her for other reasons like better service, free fucks, etc. And believe you me, this is what they told me and I have personally seen it myself, they are VERY VERY good actresses and act the part of a loving tirak to the guy during her stay her.

One thing these WL cannot understand. If they can get a thai guy who can support them with these kind of money for their lifestyle and family, they wun need to come work in flesh trade.

And furthermore 1 more thing is if I marry a sg gal, less than $2K can support because the sg gal works and no need to open her legs for a job. While for WLs, they have to do that.

If you only earn $1000, don't think of spending $5000 a month which these WLs are doing now. Pawn shops, money lending is big business in thailand which you also know. Because they often need money at the end of month.

SC

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

Financial Issue
First of all, money has to be thought of.

First of all, if really want to ask the girl to quit, better have money. Many Many money, probably earn "peanuts", hopefully as much as Mr TT Durai. Then I think the social issue and cultural issue can slowly be taken care of.

SC

Yes, WLs earn quite alot during their stay here. Even if LOS, they earn much more than normal people do. But every WL knows that they cannot be in the trade forever. That's why they go all out to earn as much as they can as they are uncertain of the future, whether they will have someone to really love them or take care of them.

I have met alot of ex WLs, many of them are married to foreigners, meaning Singaporeans and Malaysians. The funny thing is, most, if not all, are married to normal working people. I do not know of any who are married to a millionaire or anyone who has provided them with an extremely large amount of money.

So the question when people say you need to have a lot of money in order to have one of these girls, I really do not know where this notion comes from.

On the other hand, I do know of WLs who have conned people of sums of money, by letting them think they are tiraks, etc.

So all in all, my analysis is simple. If the girl really loves you, money is never the topic. Money is the topic when the girl is not in love with you.

As for the social and cultural issues, they are actually a non issue. We're talking of a guy who tirak is working. Tirak means someone you really love. Or else don't call yourself tirak or call her your tirak.

[Hasa Sas]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Well, as they say, if the guy really love them, why do they continue to let them work as WLs. To give the reason that because the guy cannot afford doesn't seemed to hold water as they find it difficult to understand how a guy with less than $2,000 can marry a SG gal but not enough to support them.

Well, there are always a both side story.
Wondering is there a true love in a relationship yet without trust.
Some people tends to be extra cautious getting involved with a WLs
Past experiences might prevent the guy from making decision or
jumping into the ship too rashly. We need times to judge a person
too likewise for the WLs whether to treat you as a
potential tirak or just another "Robert".

[suteerak1099]

1st off, i must say that i'm in some ways encouraged by some of the exchagned opinions in recent days. 2 schools of thoughts with very valid rationale justifying the root to the scenario.

i'd like to chip in a bit of my mind too.

we should already know by now that there's some of those who're forced under circumstance (debts etc) to be in this trade, some under-priviledged n resort to livelihood from this job (little or no education), some out of filial piety to help family outta crisis (though educated & equipped for normal jobs), others for personal/material gain. watever the reasons, they'd eventually complete this tour of duty & probably try to leave the past behind, now that there's a pile of $ to be rationed n stretched over a span of some yrs of better/comfortable living.

eventually having to settle down like any normal gal. who'd she marry regardless farang or local wouldnt really matter, as long as she's contented & that its out of love n not out of duty. whether or not the man is filthy rich or just a common man, i'm sure all the gal needs is stability. surely it'd be a nightmare for her, if she's ever gonna have to return to the line again.

its not always the case where the man would love her enough to bail her outta the job, bcos she didnt need to spread those lovely legs just to find a true hearted man in the 1st place. n its often the case where the guy lppl, bcos bailing her out is not within his financial means. he then has to bear the pain, soaking the pillow w tears on those sleepless nights, stomach the fury of jealousy, hide those woes on a daily basis... simply bcos he cant perform the miracle in such a short notice.

i hope my views havent affected any1 here, bt provided a glimpse of how it really is like when it comes to tirakship... more importantly for those who cannot see/understand those involved in the TRCR.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by suteerak1099

its not always the case where the man would love her enough to bail her outta the job, bcos she didnt need to spread those lovely legs just to find a true hearted man in the 1st place. n its often the case where the guy lppl, bcos bailing her out is not within his financial means. he then has to bear the pain, soaking the pillow w tears on those sleepless nights, stomach the fury of jealousy, hide those woes on a daily basis... simply bcos he cant perform the miracle in such a short notice.

There is nothing we can do to this guy who choses to lppl, bear the pain, soak his pillow with his tears on sleepless nights. He chose the path, and should be able to know what is "do not eat more than what you can chew on."

SC

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

There is nothing we can do to this guy who choses to lppl, bear the pain, soak his pillow with his tears on sleepless nights. He chose the path, and should be able to know what is "do not eat more than what you can chew on."

SC

wat i meant was to get the msg across that tirakship aint for the faint hearted, n if the chap aint mentally, emotionally, physically, financially prepared for the nausiating TRCR... best to tuck tail n run.

meanwhile, for those who're in the midst of it... its their choice to dive in, so let's not judge them, bcos it definately takes a man w a bigger heart to love a 'liar' (if thats wat u prefer naming the gals). since u've been thru it all, as u mentioned in ur prev posts... then all the more u could empathize w them. knowing jolly well that all forms of discouragements nor encouragements would prove to be futile.

a kid will never know that the chilli is spicy hot, no matter how well u describe it... he has to taste it b4 he knows wat spicy is. turns out if he acquired the taste for chilli... wat can u/anyone do about it?

likewise, BGR/TRCR/social skills can never be taught but can only be acquired by those who've tried, n even more fruitful for those who've tried hard enough.

[suteerak1099]

Originally Posted by +++++++for

suteerak1099,

May I ask how many "wl tiraks" have you had in the past? Please answer this simple question as it is integral to the discussion of this thread and it may also gives us an insight as to why you think the way you think.

Norigo77 had 10 tiraks in the past. SC had 7. And there are many others who had a few. So we somehow know what they are thinking. And most, if not all of them discourage tirakship.

to answer ur qn... here goes:

flings, bonks, sex-rave parties, regular sex partner(non WL/FL), ONStand, SG gf, farang gf, GL regulars... i've had plenty in my past. encounters w gals i'd say i've lost count... due to my complicated past. honestly, never really taken gals seriously, neither did i have healthy respect for the WLs many yrs back... not until i met my gal.

we've too much in common, n if it hadnt been for the fact that we understand 1 another... i dunno how would i even survive the woes since the beginning. goes without saying; she's the turning pt. this tirakship has broadened my scope of perspectives, n if all else fails... i think i've benefitted alot, n to certain extent become a better man. she was the reason for my change, for my improvements... so if there's anyone who deserves the fruits of the change, there'd be no other than her.

so to date... if u're talking about TIRAK... there can only be 1.