woes of a tirak

[red-perrier]

lol dunno how come so many here affected by the 3 stipulated scenarios. its so simple, old man with lotsa CPF $ sure to be cash rich to feed the gal, whiles working young men like us all may have limitations as to how much to sponsor/feed the girl+family. NSF...i think abit hard lah, the income is not even salary but just allowance from the SAF.

simple but some choose to take things so personal? why?

definately there will have variant mah. unless of cos there's an exceptional few who're cash rich, sincere & young, then maybe its time to prove some people here wrong that he's capable of redeeming his tirak & taking care her livelihood, so she'd never have to spread those lovely legs again lor?

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

I am appalled at the way you reply

1) Cash Rich Dirty Old Man
2) Sincere Young Chap
3) NSF Young Fuck

Let me ask you, which category do you belong in then?

Why must an old man be labelled Cash rich and dirty and the NSF must be labelled young fuck while the young chap is put across as sincere?

From the way you reply, speaks volumes of the kind of thinking you have in this relationship.

SC

i sincerely believe this suteerak1099 is category (2) and (3). A young sincere, TCSS, and broke NSF sad fuck. 555!

Every other guy kinda believes that he is the only one that has a Thai WL that is true to him.... Everyone else only has a Thai girl that wants to cheat him... Blah blah blah...

Yes it's true that many are out to make some money from us, but let's not forget that they are human too, they do fall in love, not after just 1 session, but after sometime. You also have to understand that they don't believe they will meet the man of their dreams in this line do you?! We are after all horny man paying for sex!!! How great can we possibly be?!

Don't go looking for a relationship with them, but should you find one that has given you reason to trust her, cherish her...

I am your so called sincere man in the middle... But it's just stupid to label what kind of guys we are... We are just guys looking for some one to truly love us, whether we are rich or poor, old or young, we are human and all have the same needs. We all don't want to die alone.

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by red-perrier

lol dunno how come so many here affected by the 3 stipulated scenarios. its so simple, old man with lotsa CPF $ sure to be cash rich to feed the gal, whiles working young men like us all may have limitations as to how much to sponsor/feed the girl+family. NSF...i think abit hard lah, the income is not even salary but just allowance from the SAF.

simple but some choose to take things so personal? why?

definately there will have variant mah. unless of cos there's an exceptional few who're cash rich, sincere & young, then maybe its time to prove some people here wrong that he's capable of redeeming his tirak & taking care her livelihood, so she'd never have to spread those lovely legs again lor?

why do you like to talk to yourself (suteerak1099)? Physco is it? so long winded and full of shit.

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by Klown

Win's email : [email protected]

bro you promoting OKT? got contact to give me in BKK? i want big breasts girls. can PM me? thanks.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by red-perrier

lol dunno how come so many here affected by the 3 stipulated scenarios. its so simple, old man with lotsa CPF $ sure to be cash rich to feed the gal, whiles working young men like us all may have limitations as to how much to sponsor/feed the girl+family. NSF...i think abit hard lah, the income is not even salary but just allowance from the SAF.

simple but some choose to take things so personal? why?

definately there will have variant mah. unless of cos there's an exceptional few who're cash rich, sincere & young, then maybe its time to prove some people here wrong that he's capable of redeeming his tirak & taking care her livelihood, so she'd never have to spread those lovely legs again lor?

Then please explain old man that is dirty, young chap that is sincere, NSF that is a young fuck.

Want to help your friend also do it with substance.

SC

[peterfish]

Originally Posted by siamcutey

5-7 years is enough for a normal thai family.

But 5-7 years enough for a thai working lady family meh?
Real life case study.

GL Cat40 during its peak year 1999. 1 girl each day minimum 25 session. Every other night booking. ORD after 1 year. Within 9 months, money all finish, in debts and go to England and work.

This is my 1st tirak.

SC

Money is never enough. I have heard so many ppls cow beh got not enough money to spend but so far, no once has complained that he or she has too much money to spend.

[free]

I am sorry this will be long. But it is necessary cos it spans so many of the posts before. I am beginning to understand more of why things are the way they are for us today... I am more convinced than ever that our love for each other is real...& has a good, if not high chance of success. Otherwise there is no other reason for us to last until today and still want be together for the rest of our lives, Him Who Is Above willing.

Originally Posted by critic

Exactly. And which category is our friend free?

Hmm..... Which category do I belong to? I am afraid I have been left out altogether in this categorization exercise For I am only a Poor but Sincere old man, and the term NSF wasn;t even in use when I was serving my NS. Withdraw CPF money (or what's left of it after the property bubble burst?). Still a long way to go before this govt allows full withdrawal anyway. She is no longer in the trade and she was not a WL but a FL on occasions when a signficant amount of money is needed by the family as she is the eldest daughter (and only child above 15), so one can forget about a big chunk of savings already being put aside...as a result things are much tougher this way cos her coffers are empty (I think she's worse off than an ORDed WL). But no matter what her past is, what is important to me is that she is first a woman and then a Thai lady and if she loves me as a woman 1st and a thai 2nd, her past matters not one iota.

Before anyone go shooting from the hips, hear me out. I have been trying hard not to post, but I now feel that I should, cos I had seen something that I had felt all along (though I did waiver at times) , but can't quite pin it down until now.

I dun know about how other tirakship couples (or "couples") talk to each other but the most common words that my beloved and I used in our conversations are "we/us/ours" and "they/them/theirs". It's Our future, Our Problem, Our Dreams..., and its Their concerns, Their this and Their that.. and how do We solve this headache, what can We do together, how do We encourage each other to perservere...

Yes, the mountain of problems we faced are still tall and steep, (for Mr. Murphy is still playing games with us) and issues pressing, but I am not facing them alone and neither is she...many times we wake up in the middle of night, and call each other to talk as we can't sleep well, to encourage each other.....to cling on to the hopes & dreams we have.

Originally Posted by Thaivisitor

I can understand if a guy loves a WL and vice versa, or even an ex WL. But I would think that under normal circumstances, if a guy treats a WL as his tirak, should he have made IMMEDIATE efforts to have his tirak stop working?

Originally Posted by samcutey

And there are actually many social, financial, cultural issues that really need to be sorted out before thinking of asking the WL to stop working

Often ppl tend to look at it from one angle - how can the guy this and that!! But I tell you, if the TG is in really love with you and only you, she too does not want to be touch by other guys! If she can help it, that is. In some cases of true WL tirakship I know, this reason also explains why she lost interest in the job (= money she was here for) & wants to quit early. Yes, money (or the abundance of it) is really no longer the issue. In our case, the efforts to let her stop (actually not return is more accurate) is MUTUAL. We both did our part.. I try to provide, she cuts down on expenses drastically.. Yet it is not easy. There are Unexpected & Adhoc problems .... and need money (worst urgently) and its not cos of her family.. her medical bills cost money, she tried to save by skipping appointments cos she knows these "extras" are a burden we did not plan for... and it ended worse.. she had to be hospitalized.

So the money problem is real... and we are struggling.. but her returning to her past is not an option for both of us... unless we are no longer together. For her, without me in her life, she has no more reasons to suffer like this. Going back does indeed give her an "easier life" or marry her real father's choice of that rich young man, even if he is a flirt cos she can at least lead a luxrious lifestyle. For me, without her, all these struggling would be meaningless and I won't be so masochastic as to put myself thru it. KNN, abstaining from cheonging is also suffering, but I do not resent nor regret doing it.

Social and cultural issues are not the biggest things really. As long as both truly love each other, both will compromise and there is always a way out. Financially, it is less of a problem or OK if both are experienced, and this is where with a younger and less experienced woman, it is tougher. Actually the biggest thing that one needs to look out for are the unexpected events that will cost money (and urgently too) and they hit hard cos they are unplanned for. The TG (or at least mine) is not exactly good at planning or forseeing such things and I am learning to help her forsee them. In the mean time, both suffer together. Her family knows our situation cos she is sure enough about me not to have to hide from them. Surprisingly, they are extremely understanding and have not made demands for anything, pershaps having met them in person mde the difference. They could accept that the foreigner is not always a rich man and loving their precious gal sincerely is more important

Originally Posted by Thaivisitor

I have met alot of ex WLs, many of them are married to foreigners, meaning Singaporeans and Malaysians. The funny thing is, most, if not all, are married to normal working people. I do not know of any who are married to a millionaire or anyone who has provided them with an extremely large amount of money.......when people say you need to have a lot of money in order to have one of these girls, I really do not know where this notion comes from.

Haha, guess I belong to this clubby for now. I would be wary of a Thai lady who looks at money more than who I am as a person, bf and husband (later father of our kids). My only commitment has been "a roof over our heads, nutritious warm meals on the table, (public) education for the kids and last but not least, my love and faithfulness to her". That is enough for her.

Originally Posted by Hasa Sas

Well, there are always a both side story.
Wondering is there a true love in a relationship yet without trust.

Impossible, And both my tirak and I agree. If we still cannot trust each other today, there is no tomorrow to talk about.

Originally Posted by +++++++for

So have you discussed with your tirak her financial difficulties?.

Sigh, this is something we discuss more often than we wish we do. As we see it, it is OUR financial difficulties, not just mine alone to bear. She can't wait for the day she can contribute to the kitty but alas that is still some months away when her course will end and she can't start work. Worse, she is still recuperating from her weak health and even though she has asked me many times to allow her to do a decent part-time job outside her school hours. I cannot allow her to cos there is no way her health can take it. Don't want her to be hospitalised for fatigue (+her medical histor) again. Costing more money is one thing (cos penny-wise pound foolish), risking her life is what I will not allow nor can I take it.

Originally Posted by Thaivisitor

Shouldn't you be finding solutions

Haha, working my ass off on this. The most joyful thing for me is the she is not sitting down shaking her legs while I hunt/work. She is searching for and offering solutions of her own and it is from one of her ideas/opportunities that we are settling on for the long term. Now we're working towards that, even throwing out old plans and if not making some small u-turns, cos we know what we want for our future together

Originally Posted by peterfish

But the problem is how many ppls have strong enough will to see it through?

This is the biggest test for the LDTR (including those that started here and become LDTR when she goes back). LDTR has a taller mountain of problems to overcome, more than a typical r/s based here,. Nationality of woman is not the issue, distance and cost is. Even as we are getting there, the last few obstacles are the tallest, although the light at the end of the tunnel is clear and exciting once we can clear these final mountains
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Today, I have known this woman as a friend for 1.5 years, and as my tirak for yet another. Along the way we had a break in between when I opened myself to several choices. I was hurt cos I felt she did not treasure me and her sister is more impt. She was hurt too that I left but she knew it was her mistake and did whatever she could to try to bring me back. When I was down, I got encouragement from her more than anyone else. No money and she did not dump me, as I had expected (even wanted) her to; no, she stayed by me, and encourage me to pick myself up, cos she had seen me in better times as a friend and she knows what I can be if I put my mind to it. It's been since months since we got back together, and I (nor she) ever regreted our decision.

Maybe my tirakship is really different, depending on how people want to see it. But I realised that so many of the things that was discussed above, we either have done it, doing it or going to do it. And we are doing much more. So I really think that our r/s is as normal as any other Boy-ger r/s - as 2 humans in love and wanting to be together for the rest of their lives. I can't see it any other way...

[Yomun aka Vin]

Originally Posted by ToaPayoh SM

of course because he is not like u NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE BUT JUST TO STIR SHIT. at least he bother to share something which u, yourself had been through before AM I RITE? so at least please be respectful even u dislike his postings.

or your's is just another case of FANTASY? so +++++++for aka sm(whatever no.) dun be so cocky yet as u might be the next person who gets tirak sickness or should i say u hav the least percentage to kanna because all the wls in gl hate u?

I agree with you bro.

[free]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Now THAT's the reason why most guys still let their tiraks continue to work in the flesh trade, and give all kinds of excuses and reasonings that it's difficult to stop her work and let her go back due to whatever.

In general (and that's the vast majority of the cases) I agree with you, but I am sure u would agree that there will be a very small number of genuine exceptions (I know of a small number of cases). But without any exceptions, as they realise that their feelings are for real and their love deepens and grows, I see the lady getting more and more restless and more determined to stop earlier rather than look for an extension. It is now no longer a job for her - it is torture. The guy looks forward to the end of their ordeal while at the same time, a little sad that he is not going to see her as easily. So we see there are overlaps between the real thingy and the imaginary "tirak" cases, but in these few cases, it is a 2-way affair. Towards the end of her stint, she would have shown him enough by her actions more than mere words that he is the one in her heart.

In some cases (at least I know of ONE) the guy might not be able to travel up to her/their (future) home for a period of time for very valid reasons that are out of his control (and thru no fault of his). Despite the fact he has been invited by his tirak and her mum. I certainly hope she can come back soon as a genuine tourist to visit him without any problems. It has been torture for him and her, to say the least as they work out their future together. Perhaps for the benefit of this chap (and a good guy too), does any one know if there are any problems for her to come back on a normal social visit pass, if he is prepared to be her guarantor? Does this "show money" thingy still applies? And what is the minimum period she must be away from these shores before it can happened?

Bros, please do not just shoot at this; if you dun believe it exists just bypass this post and ignore it, ok? There is a genuine case out here and I hope we can rally around this bro and provide the needed info for him instead. Do not add salt to his wounds. That is the minimum we who are luckier to travel when we want to, can do for a brother in need.

[siamcutey]

Originally Posted by free

Bros, please do not just shoot at this; if you dun believe it exists just bypass this post and ignore it, ok? There is a genuine case out here and I hope we can rally around this bro and provide the needed info for him instead. Do not add salt to his wounds. That is the minimum we who are luckier to travel when we want to, can do for a brother in need.

Why you said adding salt to wounds when the person in the picture doesn't think he is wounded at all? Unless he himself think he is wounded. But then if he is wounded, would he bother to go on or find a place to cure himself. Or like what the old martial art movies say, Use Poison to cure Poison?

When a person step into a tirak relationship with a Cat40 with the wrong footing(in this case wrong mindset), then he is in deep deep trouble.
The person might think his thinking is right and persist in his thinking but we can see as bystanders can see the picture clearer than the person many a times.

Why do I say so?
From day 1 the thread started till today with the categorisation of
1) Cash Rich Dirty Old Man
2) Sincere Young Chap
3) NSF Young Fuck

One can see where the threadstarter is standing. I don't need to say too much. You guys have eyes to read and decipher what kind of mindset the threadstarter is in.

I know many people loved to be rallied around to give them the encouragement they need at times. But that is not the right way.

Let me ask everyone a question. Does anyone know the thai girl? Free, you know? Thaivisitor you know? Redperrier you know? Know as in not knowing her identity but her true self.

No one knows. Not even Suteerak. So the question lies here that should we give these girls the benefit of the doubt?
Why no one said to give our ownselves the benefit of the doubt instead? Rather than placing the situation advantageous to them, why not put the ball in our court instead. Every benefit of doubt should be given to ownself and not the girl.

We are already at a very disadvantage situation with a serious handicap. And if we still give them the benefit of the doubt, how to win?

SC

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by peterfish

But the problem is how many ppls have strong enough will to see it through?

That is the point which i was trying to get across. people who has no will, will find excuses (especially using the lack of finances) to allow their tiraks to continue working.

Originally Posted by red perrier

but i think you should also know 落花有意，流水无情. nothing is ever smooth sailing and conforms to how you will it.

i guess, fate has its own way of toying or fooling people's feelings. as if life is not hard enough already.

Point number 1. Life is difficult.

Point number 2. If we know, understand and accept that life is difficult, it becomes easier for us.

It is the hardships and troubles that one goes through together with the one you love that makes the love sweeter.

I do not see any hardship on the part of the guy who claims that he is not able to let his tirak out from spreading her legs due to whatever reasons. i can only see the tirak going through the hardship by herself.

And by the time she ORD, he conveniently comes to be her white knight professing his undying love.

Do you call a guy a "man" when he allows her to go thru the suffering and settles all of her problems on her own by spreading her legs? and than give the ridiculous excuse that during this period where she is a WL that he is not financially able to help her?

How often does a guy "visit" his tirak per week or per month? whether it is for a single session, double session or overnight?

Assuming that he saves this amount of money and convert it into thai baht. easily it will be 10,000 baht per month. multiply it by the number of months, say 12 months will already be 120,000 baht. maybe not much, can you imagine this money given to her when she ORD? even if you have set aside 100,000 baht for her eventually ORD, wouldn't another 120,000 baht be useful?

I agree with bro thaivisitor with regards to the "hardship" the guys so claimed that they go through.

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by red-perrier

fren, do your mathematics lah... any WL who on avg have 10-15 customers daily+ON bookings, if work continually for full 2yrs in the scene.(assuming she 大姨妈 once a month+fall ill 2days amonth) with minimum expenditure (cos all the things squeezed from all the 菜头 ). its impossible she cant have enough. she probably got sufficient to run a few small time businesses if she's into entreprenuership. even if she dont wanna do business, she can sparingly ration this big pool of income for the next 5-7yrs supporting her family or to finance siblings studies.

Bro, i think you hit the point. it's because many guys know how to calculate like you, and know that when the WL goes ORD, she'll probably solved her financial problems and also have balance to run a few small businesses, etc.

So while she is a WL, the guy will comes out with his sad story of how he is not able to help her, "convinced" her of his dying and true love, stand by her her while she spreads her legs and be ready for her when she ORD. isn't it very convenient for the guy? so because he is financially not strong, he can actually "ride" on the girl's money, just like what a piichi will do.

And if in the future, money is again short, the guy will have no problems if his tirak goes back to the trade. won't be surprise if he even encourage her.

Isn't he just like what have been described in this thread and a few others... a "sad fuck"?

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by red-perrier

definately there will have variant mah. unless of cos there's an exceptional few who're cash rich, sincere & young, then maybe its time to prove some people here wrong that he's capable of redeeming his tirak & taking care her livelihood, so she'd never have to spread those lovely legs again lor?

bro, i hope you don't misunderstand as i'm not targetting you. just happened to quote your post.

Just for discussion sake, how many WLs you know or anybody else in this forum knows, that was "bought" out by someone who is "rich"? because from my experiences, all of the people i know of who are married to ex-WL are all normal working class people. granted, that i do not know a lot of people who are married to ex-WL, but i know of 6 friends who are, maybe not as much as bro thaivisitor.

[The Punisher]

Originally Posted by free

In some cases (at least I know of ONE) the guy might not be able to travel up to her/their (future) home for a period of time for very valid reasons that are out of his control (and thru no fault of his). Despite the fact he has been invited by his tirak and her mum.

Bro Free, if you slowly read thru the forums, you can see that in MANY cases, somehow or rather, the guys seemed to be able to gather a certain amount of money to travel up north on the day (or thereabout) of their tiraks ORD whereby they will spend a few days having a rendevous. so much so for the lack of finances.

As for your friend's case, i'm sorry i'm not able to provide any help. maybe the more senior bros here have some solutions or advices.