My SOP for enhanced STD protection

[smartalex]

Hi Bonkers,

I have an SOP for those of you who frequent WLs and are worried about getting STDs.

This SOP came from my own personal experience. Since I find it effective, I wish to share it with fellow bonkers.

First of all, I like to remind all that the risk of contracting STDs will always be present regardless and that the only way to stay healthy is to avoid casual sex. For readers who cannot control their little brother, then please follow my SOP to further reduce your risk of getting STDs.

1. If at all possible, only engage legal WLs. Avoid FLs because their sexual health is a mystery. Restrict yourself to just one or a few WLs. Having too many sex partners multiplies your risk of getting STDs.

2. Ensure you and the sex worker thoroughly wash yours and her body, especially the groin area. Use detergent. It helps to remove odors and reduces the bacteria count on the body. It is for the same reason that surgeons and their assistants thoroughly wash themselves before any surgical procedure. So the point is, do not skip the washing up step. For those who are uncircumcised, ensure you uncover your foreskin and clean your prick's forehead and foreskin thoroughly. This is very very important.

3. The oral disinfectant called Listerine is there for a reason. Use it. Make sure the WL uses it too. Gurgle and wash your mouth with it. However, I recommend an additional step. Pour some Listerine on your prick and scrub it clean with Listerine. That way if you intend to receive BBBJ (BBBJ carries a risk of getting STIs, so please avoid if possible), your partner will have something clean and minty to play with. However, Listerine may cause a slight burning sensation to your prick, just like the burning sensation experienced in the mouth. It is nothing to worry about and if you are not comfortable with it, then it is one weapon less to fight against germs.

4. Now the last step is something extra. Purchase a bottle of Octenisept from Watsons or similar stores. The details are here:
http://www.schuelke.com/download/pdf..._1009_prod.pdf
The PDF claims it is effective against HIV and various other pathogens which includes those causing STDs.

Spray this stuff on your prick, the WL's mouth and her vagina including the groin regions. There is no burning sensation at all unlike Listerine. If the WL refuses, it is fine, just spray on your prick. Educate her about the benefits though. Spray in your mouth only if you have cold sores (but if that is the case, you should stay away from oral sex). It is slightly bitter so the WL may not like it. Again it is not toxic at all unless you start drinking this thing. Put on your condom before penetration.

After the happy hour, it is time to clean up. Cleaning up is a very important step. Clean your prick with detergent, clean the area under the foreskin as well. Pour some Listerine on your prick again, also remember to gurgle some Listerine in your mouth. Wash up, dry up and spray some Octenisept around your prick and under the foreskin. Spray some into the WL's mouth (if she is willing of course) as well if BBBJ was done. If frenching or cunnilingus was done, please spray some Octenisept into your mouth. It is slightly bitter but it disinfects your mouth much more effectively than Listerine. Spit out or flush down your throat with water after about 10 minutes if you really dislike it. For me, I just spray into my mouth, under tongue, around the molars, and leave it.

So there you go, this is my SOP. It works for me, and I am sure it will for you too. It is all the more important to exercise all these steps if you have had a broken condom or a condom slippage resulting in an accidental raw penetration.

[supershaft]

i think rather pcc than go thru the hassle... imagine whening all that, ur subconsciousness tells u that u may be farking a potentially poisonous CB, that will bring down ur marginal utility during the farking process. Adding to that, ur prick is wrap in rubber. So basically the shiokness is greatly minimised. Its only the visual effect that makes u shiok n nothing more. N on top of that u hv to pay $$ for having that make-believe sexxion that will not bring out the true sensational shiokness of PURE FARKING and have to risk STDs even after all those precaution... My Advice is either surf porn n PCC, engage in only HJ svc only....

[peanut123]

While its good to play safe, I think TS is a bit misguided.

I don't think spraying anything or using Listerine on your dick or the WL's mouth helps in avoiding STDs. In fact, it might do more harm than good, as it could potentially upset the mouth's natural defences.

Fucking the same WL also does not make a difference statistically. The risk that each WL carries depends on the number of guys she fucks. If each WL fucks roughly the same number of guys, and assuming they use condoms, then the risk for each WL is the same, regardless if its the same WL or a different WL. Put it another way : when you flip a coin, the chances of getting head or tail is the same whether you use the same coin, or a different coin.

So there is no advantage to sticking to the same WL, unless she only sees you exclusively, or has a very small clientele.

However, it is safer to visit only legal WLs, compared to FLs. But no one knows exactly how much safer.

[smartalex]

I don't think spraying anything or using Listerine on your dick or the WL's mouth helps in avoiding STDs. In fact, it might do more harm than good, as it could potentially upset the mouth's natural defences.


>> You are misguided in your statements. Before the doctor or dentist starts a procedure on your body or your mouth, they have to wash their hands and put on their gloves. For the same reason, we have always been taught to wash our hands after we shit or pee before we eat. Brushing our teeth is standard for dental hygiene. All these are standard and proven practices. Why should fucking be any different? It is always better to put a clean dick into a clean pussy than dirty and sweaty ones.


Fucking the same WL also does not make a difference statistically. The risk that each WL carries depends on the number of guys she fucks. If each WL fucks roughly the same number of guys, and assuming they use condoms, then the risk for each WL is the same, regardless if its the same WL or a different WL. Put it another way : when you flip a coin, the chances of getting head or tail is the same whether you use the same coin, or a different coin.


>> Please show me some hyperlinks suggesting that reducing the number of sex partners has no bearing on your risk of contracting STDs. No doubt the risk of contracting STDs will always be there as long as sex is involved, be it with one or multiple partners. But to say there is no difference without any evidence is socially irresponsible.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by smartalex

>> You are misguided in your statements. Before the doctor or dentist starts a procedure on your body or your mouth, they have to wash their hands and put on their gloves. For the same reason, we have always been taught to wash our hands after we shit or pee before we eat. Brushing our teeth is standard for dental hygiene. All these are standard and proven practices. Why should fucking be any different? It is always better to put a clean dick into a clean pussy than dirty and sweaty ones.

>> Please show me some hyperlinks suggesting that reducing the number of sex partners has no bearing on your risk of contracting STDs. No doubt the risk of contracting STDs will always be there as long as sex is involved, be it with one or multiple partners. But to say there is no difference without any evidence is socially irresponsible.

The transmission of STDs is not a result of bacteria present on the external surfaces of the penis or vagina. STDs are transmitted via the exchange of body fluids. No amount of disinfectant is going to prevent that.

However, practicing good hygiene is still helpful in preventing other sorts of infections eg UTI caused by e-coli etc.

While it is true that keeping the number of sex partners low reduces the risk of catching an STD, this does not apply in a commercial sex environment for the simple reason that the same WL goes through many sex partners daily and every single encounter she has with a different sex partner increases YOUR risk as well.

If you have 3 girlfriends all of whom get fucked by you and you alone and you fuck no one else except these three girls, the number of sex partners you have is 3.

If you only have only one sex partner but she fucks 100 men a week, then the reality of the situation is that you're at far greater risk compared to having 3 faithful lovers.

[peanut123]

Fucking is a lot different from dentistry. Dentists wash and put on gloves to avoid the exchange of bacteria and germs on the surface of the skin surfaces in contact. But as boss Sammy has pointed out, transmission of STDs has nothing to do with bacteria on the surface of your dick. They are virus in the body fluids. When was the last time you had a spray that could disinfect body fluids ? If spraying disinfectant is such a simple cure, then STDs will be a thing of the past.

Putting your dick into a clean pussy is of course preferable, but from a hygiene point of view, not from a infection point of view. An unwashed uninfected pussy is safer than a clean infected one. In that case, which would you pick ?


As for the number of sex partners, again, Sammy has pointed out the obvious that anyone would be able to comprehend. It's a matter of common sense that the WLs fucks many many men. So even if you fuck one and only one WL, you are in effect still exposed to the risks from hundreds of men. Reducing the number of sex partners works only if they are non-commercial sex partners (ie, ONS or gfs ), not sex workers. But if she's a sex worker, all bets are off.

Originally Posted by smartalex

I don't think spraying anything or using Listerine on your dick or the WL's mouth helps in avoiding STDs. In fact, it might do more harm than good, as it could potentially upset the mouth's natural defences.


>> You are misguided in your statements. Before the doctor or dentist starts a procedure on your body or your mouth, they have to wash their hands and put on their gloves. For the same reason, we have always been taught to wash our hands after we shit or pee before we eat. Brushing our teeth is standard for dental hygiene. All these are standard and proven practices. Why should fucking be any different? It is always better to put a clean dick into a clean pussy than dirty and sweaty ones.


Fucking the same WL also does not make a difference statistically. The risk that each WL carries depends on the number of guys she fucks. If each WL fucks roughly the same number of guys, and assuming they use condoms, then the risk for each WL is the same, regardless if its the same WL or a different WL. Put it another way : when you flip a coin, the chances of getting head or tail is the same whether you use the same coin, or a different coin.


>> Please show me some hyperlinks suggesting that reducing the number of sex partners has no bearing on your risk of contracting STDs. No doubt the risk of contracting STDs will always be there as long as sex is involved, be it with one or multiple partners. But to say there is no difference without any evidence is socially irresponsible.

[smartalex]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

The transmission of STDs is not a result of bacteria present on the external surfaces of the penis or vagina. STDs are transmitted via the exchange of body fluids.

This is the standard textbook answer. I will not dispute it. Nowhere did I claim that using disinfectants kill prevent STDs. If you read my SOP, I place great importance on washing up after the act. It was precisely to remove the bodily fluids as quickly as possible, and then spray antimicrobials on the forehead, under the foreskin and outside the urethra. There is no proof that it will help against STD prevention, but it may be helpful. But to imply that it is utterly useless is another thing altogether.

No amount of disinfectant is going to prevent that.

There are no scientific studies that specifically address this issue. How is the scientist/clinician suppose to conduct and monitor the sex sessions for compliance anyway? Some 'protection' is better than nothing. For all we know, perhaps using anti-microbial sprays is useless. Perhaps there is some benefit? But I do know one thing for a fact. It is a harmless procedure.

While it is true that keeping the number of sex partners low reduces the risk of catching an STD, this does not apply in a commercial sex environment for the simple reason that the same WL goes through many sex partners daily and every single encounter she has with a different sex partner increases YOUR risk as well.
If you have 3 girlfriends all of whom get fucked by you and you alone and you fuck no one else except these three girls, the number of sex partners you have is 3.
If you only have only one sex partner but she fucks 100 men a week, then the reality of the situation is that you're at far greater risk compared to having 3 faithful lovers.

This is all true and common sense. Between fucking a hoe or 10 hoes, it is very risky indeed. For bonkers who cannot control their urges, it is a good idea to reduce their exposure by cutting down the number of pros and going for WLs instead of FLs. This is a very reasonable advice. It is possible to contract STDs from a single visit to a WL or it can happen many years down the road.

Health checks or no health checks, it is possible for men to fuck a FL and then go for a WL. If the FL got a bug, then the WL will get it and pass it on to her clients who think WLs are safer fucks. But what to do? Men are men, they have urges. PCC is very safe, but when it gets uncontrollable, would u advise sex addicts to fuck FLs when WLs are available? Is that socially responsible? Never mind if they listen or not. The advice given must always be in their best interests. At least with WLs, we can catch those who got bugged during a medical checkup. It is better than nothing at all.

[smartalex]

Originally Posted by peanut123

There are virus in the body fluids. When was the last time you had a spray that could disinfect body fluids?

Read through my posts again. I never claimed using spraying anti-microbials on the sexual organs will disinfect body fluids. But if one infuses an appropriate dose of disinfectant directly into the blood stream, I am pretty sure many viruses and bacteria will be destroyed in the blood stream, but the patient will also be dead.

If spraying disinfectant is such a simple cure, then STDs will be a thing of the past.

Read my posts again. I never claimed spraying disinfectants will CURE STDs.

An unwashed uninfected pussy is safer than a clean infected one. In that case, which would you pick ?

Lets be practical here, how does one tell if the pussy is uninfected? All bonkers want uninfected pussies. But we can at least practise good hygiene and hope that we dont get bugged after a bonk.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by smartalex

>> Read my posts again. I never claimed spraying disinfectants will CURE STDs.

Your posts are very hard to read. Instead of using ">>" signs which are leftovers from the early days of the internet when text ruled the day, simply use the "quote" feature.

I have edited your posts.

[smartalex]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

Your posts are very hard to read. Instead of using ">>" signs which are leftovers from the early days of the internet when text ruled the day, simply use the "quote" feature.

I have edited your posts.

Thank you boss.

[peanut123]

Basically, wat i'm trying to say is that your techniques are simplistic and of doubtful efficacy. It's more like a placebo. But if it makes you feel better about bonking WLs, by all means.

But I do agree tat being hygienic is definitely a good thing, from many angles.

[supershaft]

Basically i think the root issue is that HIV treatment heavily subsidised, cos having sex is the natural thingy for mankind. Deliberately suppressing the urge by abstaining or other alternatives like PCC will only aggravate the inate sexual desire n create abnormalies in the mental state (ie- pervert mindset, aggression, rape cases?) This is a big issue n if we refrain from going for health checks cos of stigmas, high medication cost etc, the figure of actual HIV infections will be multi-fold and very unstated in the reports. Some $$ CANNOT BE SAVED...

[AfA_hmor]

Originally Posted by fourhorseman

Unless OKT and FLs finds it commercially viable to work as resellers for oral hiv test kits, so that before each encounter the WLs, FLs performs an oral swap, and the customer performs an oral swap too, with results showing in 10mins, there is just no way to know who are infected. It makes commercial sense to do just that, instead of months of worries everytime fever or rash occurs.

Of course, besides HIV, the list of STI runs pages long and protection measures continues to be applied.

The above method is not a safe way to prevent HIV transmission because of the window period. It takes up to 3 months from the last exposure for HIV antibodies to show up in HIV tests. Therefore a negative test reading for both client and sex worker may not be an accurate result. Also, it's during this phase that a HIV carrier is most infectious. It's just a false sense of security.

[AfA_hmor]

Needed to clarify the example you put out, because there are some people who misunderstand, and are using rapid testing that way. It's a very risky thing to do, esp if you consider that sex workers and clients do tend to have numerous partners over any period of time. And some do not always have protected sex. The window period plus the infectious of a potential HIV carrier, it's not at all a foolproof way of making sure the sex partner is 'clean'. If we are living in a perfect world, HIV wouldn't even exist.

[AfA_hmor]

Originally Posted by fourhorseman

With HIV becoming a chronic disease, instead of an incurable disease, should it not that focus be put on other serious STI that cannot be prevented by condoms & cannot be cured. I know thats not for AFA to ponder but its a question I ask myself sometimes.

If it's another STD that cannot be prevented by condoms and cannot be cured, then the prevention approach would be telling people to avoid/stop having sex.